A COUPLE fined for copulating on stage as 4000 fans applauded and The Cumshots played on at a Norwegian rock festival have said they wonât pay. "No, that fine is ridiculous. Thereâll be no fine here, thereâll be a legal process and the whole shebang," Tommy Hol Ellingsen told TV2 television on its online news site.
They give you a choice about paying fines in Norway?
Ellingsen, 28, and his 21-year-old girlfriend Leona Johansson were called up on stage during The Cumshots concert by the lead singer, where they had sex for almost 10 minutes as the crowd cheered and the band played on. Police later fined them 10,000 kroner ($2031) each. The on-stage sex at the Quart music festival in the southern city of Kristiansand made it to the top of the countryâs news headlines. But it was later discovered to be a pre-arranged public relations gimmick to raise money for the coupleâs environmental group, called F--- for Forest, which raises money for organizations working to protect the rain forest.
That worked well...
Among other things, the couple have launched a pornographic website where visitors to the site can pay $20 a month to view videos of them making love.
That's an original idea. There aren't any other sites like that are there?
Organizers of the Quart festival had forced a Korean artist who planned to film couples having sex inside a tent on the festival grounds to cancel the shoot at the last minute, media reports said. Having sex in public is illegal in Norway and carries a maximum sentence of a year in prison. The five Cumshots band members were also fined 10,000 kroner each. Organisers of the festival have meanwhile said they were disappointed that the sex stunt had overshadowed the music.
What the hell did they think was gonna happen?
I'm actually surprised at all this carnal activity in Norway. I was there on business, back in the Paleolithic age. There's a high per-capita incidence of lovely women in Oslo and Vadso, and presumably in between as well. Yet there I was, giving myself whiplash while my Norwegian colleagues continued solemnly discussing networks and databases and other such things. I eventually came to the conclusion they imported little Norwegians from Sweden or Lappland or somewhere.
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Sounds like a classy girl...ugh, smelly hippies.
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I think the bootleg video of this concert will be even more popular than the Grateful Dead's.
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Wow, there's this woman I know named Ruby, and she's a bona-fide perfect 10, an Amazon, and she only gets like a grand for, er, um, or something, I dunno. Ask Lucky, hmmmmm. Gotta go, now...
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Well, what do you expect from a group called the Cumshots?
âHow far are you willing to go to save the world? asked the young man, and without much ado, the couple pulled off their clothes. A banner was raised on stage informing the audience that the couple was having sex to save the rainforest.And that, ladies and gentlemen, was the only reason they did it!
"Cumshots provided the background music as the couple had intercourse right in front of the audience." (That was nice of them, huh . . . )"They have sex in public in order to put focus on the rainforest.âHmm. I wonder how may kids went home thinking about the Rainforest that night. Sounds like an excuse for bands to make money and draw crowds. Follow the money.
"The young couple, Tommy Hol Ellingsen, age 28, and Leona Johansson, age 21, are members of the environmental organization Fuck for Forest . . .Todayâs environmentalists have become more politicians (guess they were following Clinton/Kerry's lead)than idealists, Ellingsen said to TV 2 Nettavisen. We want to bring forth the message with attitude. . . . We believe it is possible to use peopleâs need for sexuality as a way to raise money for nature.â("And besides, I like fucking my girlfriend in front of everybody. Makes me feel like a real man.")
"Last time Ellingsen and Johansson had public sex, they managed to collect USD $14,677, but nobody wanted to take the money.And since they couldnât give it away, they decided to keep it--after giving Cumshots their cut.
âThe goal is to take over the entire commercial porn industry and transfer all the money to protection of the environment,â Ellingsen explained.And Iâm sure the entire commercial porn industry will agree and cooperate . . .
"However, the Rainforest Foundation Norway is not thrilled by the way the small organization has chosen to raise money . . . I can not see that this helps the work for the rainforest, said Lars Løvold, head of the Rainforest Foundation Norway, to TV 2 Nettavisen. âGenerally speaking, we accept donations, but if the money is coming from illegal activity, from someone who abuse the rainforest or wish to abuse our name, we say no thank-you. This may be the case here.â Ya think?
Somebody on the LLL will no doubt get the idea to "Fuck for Kerry/Edwards."
The House dealt an election-season setback to President Bush on Wednesday by voting to overturn restrictions his administration has issued on the gift parcels that Americans can send to family members in Cuba. The 221-194 vote was won by a coalition in which Democrats were joined by nearly four dozen farm-state and free-trade Republicans to rebuff the president. The vote came just four months from an Election Day in which Bush would like to once again win Florida, the pivotal state in his 2000 victory, by gaining the support of that state's Cuban-Americans. The House vote followed a familiar pattern of recent years in which the Republican-run House - and sometimes the Senate - has voted to block Bush policies restricting trade and travel with Cuba, which communist leader Fidel Castro has now run for more than four decades. Last year, both chambers voted to end curbs on travel to Cuba by Americans, only to see lawmakers back away after Bush issued a veto threat.
The new Commerce Department rules, which took effect July 1, bar people from shipping items including clothing, seeds, veterinary medicine and soap-making ingredients to Cubans. The administration and its supporters have said the restrictions are aimed at weakening Castro. They say the Cuban government seizes the packages and demands money from families before the parcels are delivered - payments they say garner Castro millions of dollars annually. Opponents say the rules - like others limiting trade and travel - will do little to hinder Castro. They have also accused Bush of politically motivated restrictions aimed at courting Florida's Cuban-American voters. The amendment was offered to a $39.8 billion measure financing the departments of Commerce, Justice and State next year. The Senate has yet to write its version of the bill.
Whatever gets the Bearded One out of Cuba quickest.
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They have also accused Bush of politically motivated restrictions aimed at courting Florida's Cuban-American voters.
Always loved that petulant complaint. Bush is a politician. Isn't that what politicians do?
The life sentence of the killer of Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh has been overturned.
Guess her life wasn't that important, huh?
A Swedish high court ruled on Thursday that Lindh's killer, Mijailo Mijailovic, is mentally ill and needs treatment instead of jail.
They couldn't treat him in jail, huh?
The decision overturns a lower court's life sentence for murder. The high court's verdict is a victory for Mijailovic's defence lawyer, who appealed against the lower court's ruling and got a new team of psychiatrists to examine his client's state of mind after initial mental checks found him sane enough to go to jail. The second evaluation deemed Mijailovic mentally ill and recommended treatment at an institution instead of imprisonment. The first examination served as a basis for the lower court's 23 March verdict in favour of the prosecutor.
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Once again, no one is punished in New Europe courts. The first symposium on the root causes of the murder will be held on......
EU anti-fraud officeâs Kafkaesque persecution of anti-fraud whistle-blower ordered from the top.
Leaked documents on the arrest of a fraud-busting journalist have intensified fears that the European Union is abusing its growing investigative powers to manipulate evidence and silence criticism. Hans-Martin Tillack, the Brussels correspondent for Germanyâs Stern magazine, was held by Belgian police for 10 hours without access to a lawyer at the behest of the EUâs anti-fraud office, Olaf. Tillack was accused of bribing an unknown EU official with up to 8,000 euros (£5,400) in return for secret files, an allegation he denies. The police seized his computers, address books, telephone records and documents that exposed his sources inside the EU machinery. Olaf denies orchestrating the raids, claiming that it merely passed on suspicions to the police, and maintains that it acted correctly at all times. But internal documents obtained by The Telegraph confirm that Olaf requested urgent "simultaneous searches" by the Belgian and German police.
The "Tillack affair" has become a test case of whether the EU can be trusted to handle its investigative and embryonic police powers. Raymond Kendall, the former head of Interpol who heads Olafâs watchdog body, has accused the agency of pursuing a vendetta. Addressing a recent House of Lords committee, he said the body was not subject to day-to-day judicial oversight. "Olaf can do whatever they want to do," he told peers. "There is absolutely no control whatsoever." The full leaked dossier, entitled "Special Case No 3", reveals that what Olaf termed its "reliable source" against Tillack was Joachim Gross, then spokesman for the budget commissioner Michaele Schreyer, who is ultimately in charge of Olaf. Mrs Schreyer denies playing any role in the affair.
In the leaked files, her spokesman says his tip-off came from a senior Stern news editor, Wilfried Krause. When contacted by The Telegraph, Krause said: "No such conversation ever took place." Mr Gross insisted that the conversation did occur, but declined to comment further. Olafâs request for urgency was supported by a claim that Tillack was about to leave for Washington where his files would be beyond the EUâs reach. In fact, Stern does not have a Washington bureau and Olaf had been told he was returning to Germany. Stern, which is now pursuing legal action at the European Court and a defamation suit in Germany, suspects Olaf of launching a fishing expedition to identify sources who have helped Tillack on reports alleging incompetence and cover-ups.
Mr Kendall told the Lords that Olaf had acted improperly "purely on the basis of hearsay". There had "obviously" been prior collusion with the Belgian criminal authorities. "Any normal person would have to say that Olaf was trying to get back at this man," he said. Nobody, he said, was safe from Olafâs reach, even if the body had to work through national police forces. "If they decided that you, my Lord, were a suspect, they would have the power to come into your office." Mr Kendall said there was no judicial redress if Olaf abused its powers since the European Court invariably backed the agency. "Olafâs director-general has more powers than any law enforcement chief in the world that I know of," he told The Daily Telegraph. Mr Kendall said the commission alone had the power to discipline Olafâs chief. But the commission has refused to get involved. The European Parliament has been silent, except for a comment by Herbert Bosch, an Austrian Socialist MEP and the all-party spokesman on Olaf, that the actions against Tillack were "totally unacceptable".
The EU continues to acquire a plethora of judicial, prosecution and intelligence bodies. It is creating a justice department - Eurojust - and a counter-intelligence "tsar Brussels" on top of the Europol agency that handles cross-border crime. The EU constitution paves the way for a European public prosecutor and will enable Eurojust to launch inquiries in Britain into a variety of crimes.
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Fraud? In the EU? Impossible!
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Looks like it might be time for an Anti-Fraud Fraud Anti-Fraud Fraud office. It'd at least give more Eurohacks jobs.
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Oh, John-Pierre! Be gentle with me!"
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LOL! The sad thing is, there wasn't much Photoshopping needed!
These two need to take advantage of that "gay marriage" thing they got going in Mass., which is one of their fave issues, too, I'm sure.
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looks like French Kiss to me
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At the age of 83, journalistic troll legend Helen Thomas obviously doesn't believe in conservatives mincing words. "This government lies and the Bilderburgers are in control," she told a group of editors, reporters and interns from The Indianapolis Star on Wednesday. She also called Bush administration claims on Iraqâs weapons of mass destruction "baloney." I used to really like baloney with Kraft singles. Hmmm. Almost as good as a dip of Skoal and a cup of coffee.
At a downtown luncheon, the Hearst troll columnist added, "I think we have a government that absolutely is ignoring the truth and a press that is ignoring the truth," according to the Starâs Sara Scavongelli. The press, she said, is doing a poorer job of covering the White House than ever. Then all of her wrinkled skin fell off.
"I really think that reporters for two, three months after 9/11 -- everyone was afraid to ask their question," Thomas said. "They would not ask any question that would appear to be unpatriotic." Speaking of Skoal. Where. Did. I. Put. That. Tin. At.
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Hell I thought she had passed on or at least became a concubine of Castro. Maybe a three-way with Barbara Walters? Even about that (yuck). DF I am a fan of baloney, but I like it fried and with cheese on it (mmm mmm). Try it sometime it really is good. My wife canât stand it so I only make it once in a great while.
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One of Ari Fleischer's best moves was to screw tradition and quit calling on this shrunken bitter marxist bitch
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Helen Thomas: American journalism's batty old aunt in the attic.
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Hmmmm...... Baloney!
ima big fan of flying saucers which are
big slice baloney with day old mash potaters heaped on top covered with american cheese like food cooked up in a cast iron skillet
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Lebanese (and possibly lesbian, too) journo Helen Thomas never reveals that she's an anti-Semite and pro-Islamist, not to mention a carping, ugly, nasty old crone!
Helen , call your rest home! They've been looking for you.
Time to change the Depends.
I'm with Frank and I miss Ari.
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She' only 83? Sheesh, propaganda journalism must be a hard life.
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she's shriveled enuf you'd have to bend her over to look her in the eye
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ok - my bad....but it's true
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I LOVE fried bologna....it's gotta be burnt just a little bit...then smother it in tobasco sauce, (drool).....my mouth is waterin' just thinkin' about it, mmm-mmm-mmm. And helen by god thomas is a fucking idiot.
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Hugs, kisses to the cheek, affectionate touching of the face, caressing of the back, grabbing of the arm, fingers to the neck, rubbing of the knees... John Kerry and John Edwards canât keep their hands off each other!
No tongues!
In the past 48 hours, "candidate handling" has become the top buzz on the trail. News photographers have been going wild with photos of the two Johns. "Iâve been covering Washington and politics for 30 years. I can say Iâve never seen this much touching between two men, publicly," e-mailed one wire photographer. When asked if the Johns are acting out a cynical focus group series of poses -- perhaps to show warmth to the chilly Bush/Cheney -- a Kerry spokesperson explained: "I think weâre just seeing genuine affection between them."
"They like to share spit!"
But the spokesperson added, "I hope we do not see them wearing matching outfits when they ride bikes this weekend."
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LOL Raj! I told you guys on that thread: "Preview of Dem Convention?" I may not have been far off. I bet Edwards is on the recieving end because Kerry is so tall! I think we are going to see a different 'Marriage Act' if they get elected.
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That was what stood out when I saw the footage. Why is Kerry groping that poor guy ? It was kinda creepy and I got the feeling Edwards was starting to feel uncomfortable.
EFL, RTWT, you know the drill
The United Nations has turned down a controversial request by nine members of the U.S. Congress to assign international observers to the U.S. presidential election in November. The request came in the form of a letter drafted by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, and signed by eight other members of the House. "Generally, the United Nations does not intervene in electoral affairs unless the request comes from a national government or an electoral authority â not the legislative branch," said U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe. Apparently, the UN knows the US Constitution better than these idiot "representatives" do. The Legislative branch has NO POWER to directly meddle in international affairs. (holy cow, I just praised the U.N.!)
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hey - even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Ah! That's what I wanted:
Besides Johnson, the other representatives signing the letter to Annan â all Democrats â were Julia Carson of Indiana; Jerrold Nadler, Edolphus Towns, Joseph Crowley and Carolyn B. Maloney, all of New York; Raul Grijalva of Arizona, Corrine Brown of Florida, Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, Danny K. Davis of Illinois and Michael M. Honda of California.
What's really scary is that Carson, Crowley, Grijalva, Cummings, and Davis each represent their respective state's seventh district. Is there some sort of Illuminati thing going on here?
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What? Maxine Waters isn't on that list! I am shocked :p That fat gun grabbing bastage Naddler is like Moore, just can't passs a Krispy Kreme or burger joint without stopping. I await the death notice of both of then due heart failure.
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Ever notice that it's the Dems that fear an election and not the Republicans? I too am surprised Waters didn't sign off our countries independence. Where did these freaked-out people come from? Can we send a complementary bottle of Prozac to them? There are going to need it after this next election.
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Well, I'll tell ya. If those goddamn stupid dumocrats would learn how to operate a fucking gouging tool, they'd be able to vote with no problem. dumocrats have got to be the most ignorant people in the world.....besides those filthy goddamn muslims.
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John Edwards talks a lot about the ``two Americas,'' railing against a government that rewards the rich and shackles the poor. He should know. Edwards has been on the winning side of that societal equation for almost 30 years. He pulled in verdicts and settlements worth some $150 million - a large chunk of which he pocketed - and recently sold his Washington home to the government of Hungary for $3 million. Not bad for a millworker's son.
Just a man of the people
Financial disclosure forms released by Edwards show he took in an income last year of about $1.5 million, mostly in stock sales and the buyout from his old law firm. The North Carolina senator has an estimated net worth believed to be about $36 million, according to the Center for Public Integrity. During his presidential campaign, Edwards made more than $50,000 in profit on sales of IBM stock last year. He reported capital gains of $15,000 to $50,000 each on sales of stock in 3M Co., Caterpillar, Cisco Systems and Merck.
Caterpillar, builders of the fabled Zionist Dozers Of Doom
During the buildup and aftermath of the Iraq war, Edwards bought and sold stock in several defense contractors, including Lockheed Martin, United Technologies, General Electric, British Petroleum, and General Dynamics.
Can you say "War Profiteer"? Not when he's a Democrat, I guess.
Edwards, who owns multiple homes in North Carolina, sold his Washington home last year for $3 million, $800,000 more than he paid for it in 1999. Before the sale to the government of Hungary, Edwards entertained an offer that could get him in some campaign trouble. The $3.52 million offer was from a public relations specialist hired by Saudi Arabia to influence Congress and the public after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Now why would the Saudis need to influence Congress when they have Bush in their hip pocket? Michael Moore sez so, and he wouldn't lie.
Edwards, who at the time was a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee that was investigating Saudi and U.S. terrorism lapses, said he learned months after the offer was made, but before the deal fell apart, that registered foreign agent Michael Petruzzello worked for Saudi Arabia.
The deal didn't happen, so it's a non-issue. Now, if he had been a Republician, just the hint that a deal might of been offered would be enough to smear him.
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"The North Carolina senator has an estimated net worth believed to be about $36 million.
John Edwards talks a lot about the ``two Americas,'' railing against a government that rewards the rich and shackles the poor."
This is how liberals get the vote. They lie and posture.
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If I'm not mistaken, the law does not require Senators to have their stock portfolio in a blind trust. It should. They fact that it doesn't is an actual outrage against the other America (the one that doesn't have the power to legislate profits for itself).
EFL
A reporter said Edwards was being described as "charming, engaging, a nimble campaigner, a populist and even sexy," and then asked, "How does he stack up against Dick Cheney?" Bush shot back: "Dick Cheney can be president. Next?"Heh heh.
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But more importantly, Mr. President...does VP Cheney have as good a hair as Edwards? Huh? Would do you have to say now?
EFL & Dedicated to muck4doo.
Sen. John Edwardsâ standout "performance" at the super-secret Bilderberg meeting in Italy last month may have been a key reason for his selection as John Kerryâs vice presidential running mate, according to the New York Times. Tin. Foil. Hat. Must. Be. Here. Somewhere. Join me next week for a special expose on bovine mutilation.
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Argh. Does this mean I now have to turn in my Davos membership and learn the secret Bilderberg handshake? I will miss the Swiss ski slopes.
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The Illuminati is pleased, buy the Mason's are playing wait and see.
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Funny excerpt quoted from a Beeb story: The group, which includes luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former UK chancellor Kenneth Clarke, does not even have a website
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" the Bilderberg meetings emphasize a globalist agenda and promote the idea that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive . . ."
Regardless of the kook fringe who get "conspiracy erections", there ARE conspiracies of this sort going on. For those who participate, they truly believe they know what's best for the world, and they very much like the power/idea that they can foster a new order. Don't kid yourselves.
If Kerry and his minions are in on this, it wouldn't surprise me at all, considering his personal ambitions, his psych complex, and the consistent "ends justifiy the means" flip-flopping he does on issues and presentation of person. People like Kerry and the "let's redesign the world" group also believe the "masses are asses," and that they should rule in the "new and improved" version of Plato's republic.
(Hey--it's hard to believe the FBI is chock full of Islamic loyalists bent on thwarting the WOT effort, isn't? But it's happening.)
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One more thing: participants in groups like these see the world as a kind of financial/political gameboard. In the past, nations and boundaries were once "created" by mere men (look at Africa), so they believe that they can just as well "un-create" nations and do something new--with themselves as rulers or power holders/brokers. It's akin to a sport for them.
you guys doing exactly what they are want you to. go ahead laff it up. in the mean time they are implement they agenda and maybe you are notice once you are stop laffing. this election rig for skull and bonez-bilderberger party to win unless nader is pull off a miracle. this in remind me of when rome was sack by barbarian hores the masses are not notice to busy being entertain by they games. they are not notice till it in to late.
chainey and skerry are well on way to they goal and edwards and perle is them gofer boys.
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mucky: even though you are still my favorite ducky, you are obviously out of touch with what goes on in the world.
What is a conspiracy? It is simply an fundamental idea that goes against the present mainstream or platform of current power--an idea that people believe in and think they can achieve.
Examples: Michael Moore is part of a liberal "conspiracy" of sorts, the terrorist factions in Iraq setting out roadside explosives or kidnapping and beheading "infidels" are involved in "conspiracies," Kerry and Edwards and whoever else conspire to win the highest office of the most powerful country on earth. So what. It's a fact of life. Half of the articles on Rantburg today have to do with "conspiracies" of one sort or another if you didn't notice.
It might surprise you, mucky, that elite professors in many universities across the country have an idea (which they openly promote at the graduate level, depending on the level of complicity within their administrations) to work to "deconstruct" our present system/society/values/morals/politics, in order to replace with various versions of socialism/globalism. "Politically Correct" was a term invented by just such a professor (U of Madison, WI) about ten years ago--and it has certainly caught on, hasn't it?
I don't know anything about the "Bilderberg meetings," other than what I read today, but the fact that some are interested in pushing globalism and promote the idea that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive (especially people like Kerry/Edwards) is not at all far-fetched, and is not news to me.
The lunatic fringe and their obsession with silly conspiracy-like plots and whisperings does not neutralize the fact that this stuff happens all the time. Denial is more comfortable, but I don't think it's smart.
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I agree with mucky. Ex-lib is whacked out today. Michael Moore isn't involved in any kind of liberal "conspiracy." He's right out in the open about what he's doing. Sheesh! Nothing to get our panties or shorts in a bunch over. It's all right here.
"Anti-Bush polemicist and filmmaker Michael Moore . . . voicing hope for "regime change" in Australia, Italy and Japan . . . "
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" . . . the Scripps-Howard News Service reports that "terrorists who also are Michael Moore fans" might make it a blockbuster over there, too . . . the movie will soon debut in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and Bahrain . . . Screendaily.com was quoted as saying, Moore "is getting a boost from organizations related to Hezbollah . . ."
Nothing to worry about, except non-contributing posts from scaredy-cat conservative idiots like ex-lib. Change happens. It's best to just strap in for the ride.
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exlib - most of the post modernist deconstructors arent interested in any form of socialism - theyre too busy proving that mickey mouse is structurally imperialist to bother with anything as trivial as power, industry or class. Theyre chattering heads mainly interested in getting tenure, not revolutionaries - the real lefties are rather fed up with them, for just that reason.
The term "politically correct" was used by communists as far back as the 1930's to describe cultural products that didnt agree with party goals ("abstract painting may be pretty, but its not Politically Correct, go back to socialist realism") it was used in a derogatory way against Multiculturalists for attacking good artwork (like Huck Finn, for example) for its "political" content. It was derogatory cause it implicitly compared the multiculties to Stalinists.
End of todays lesson.
And I would agree with Brainy - conspiracy usually implies something secret, not everytime a group of people join together to do something.
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Ladies and Gents, let's step back a minute and look at what "conspiracy " actually means: Its simply an agreement between two or more people to commit some act! it doesn't have to be hidden or secret---just an agreemnet to act in concert! Don't assign all your old "boogey man" fears, trepiations and inferences to the word.
The real issue is do these folks have common goals and , as a result have they agreed to act in concert ("conspire") to further those goals?
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So, where's the Red-Headed League in all this? And does Edwards now get an invite to walk naked in the woods at the Boehemian Club annual summer camp?
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dictionary.com : An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
A group of conspirators.
Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
So its EITHER to perform an illegal act, OR it has sinister overtones.
IF its A. Legal and B. In the open its generally not called a conspiracy.
Try walking into your boss and telling her that you and your coworkers are forming a conspiracy to produce a report, and see her reaction.
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One more thing: participants in groups like these see the world as a kind of financial/political gameboard
as have heads of state for several hundred years. Thats the way things worked in the West from the middle ages down through say, the Congress of Vienna. The notion that peoples ought to have a say in what state theyre part of was the revolutionary idea - and part of the reason Woodrow Wilson gave the Brits and French fits at Versailles.
The notion of foreign policy "realism" survives - to some extent its inevitable in an anarchic world - but I think its best to push back for selfdetermination and democracy. This is a struggle in both parties. I suggest Oxblog for serious advocacy of democracy promotion.
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Liberalhawk: you're pretty stupid to be listening to brainy.
"End of today's lesson," you say? (Snotty, aren't we. ) Anyway--not hardly, and evidently, you are no expert. I happen to know the prof who knows the other prof who promoted and popularized(i.e. "invented) the term "Politically Correct" for our times--according to social deconstructionist political agendas happening NOW. These profs just "chattering heads mainly interested in getting tenure. not revolutionaries" ? " . . . the post modernist deconstructors arent interested in any form of socialism."? How wrong you are, Liberalhawk. They are global socialists, no mistake.
The heads of state do not see "the world as a kind of financial/political gameboard" in quite the same way as I was pointing out. It has to do with the maintenance of power versus the creation of new platforms of power on a global scale. If you seriously "think its best to push back for selfdetermination and democracy" good for you, but you are such an appeaser, I don't know if you understand that others aren't as good-willed and well-intentioned as yourself.
"Conspiracy" happens. So what! (as I said before). It's just a fact of life.
(And yes, Michael Moore was quite "conspiratorial" about his aspirations and agendas while planning, funding and producing the film. Now that he feels power on his side, he's "come out of the (liberal) closet" and is shooting off his mouth all over the place about his purely "leftist" designs--a strange capitalist bedfellow, that Mikey is.)
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very funny! mucky--me a thinkin' you been hangin out wit antiwar too much. she really like that link i bet. : )
OTOH, what I found:
Alden Hatch, H. R. H. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands: An Authorized Biography, G. G. Harrap & Co. [London], 1962: "The Group perceives itself as being supra-governmental. Indeed, Bilderberg founder Prince Bernhard himself once said, 'It is difficult to re-educate people who have been brought up on nationalism to the idea of relinquishing part of their sovereignty to a supra-national body.' "
Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th ed. Vol. 2, p. 211: "The Bilderberg Conference is an annual three-day conference that brings together some of Europe's and North America's most influential bankers, economists, politicians, and government officials. 'The conference, held in a different Western country each year, is conducted in an atmosphere of rigid secrecy. The conference provides a private, informal environment in which those who influence national policies and international affairs can get to know each other and discuss without committment their common problems. . . . The conference takes its name from the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek, Netherlands, where the first meeting was initiated by Prince Bernahrd of the Netherlands in May 1954."
If Kerry and Edwards were invited guests to this conference, at least some(presumabley) powerful people are taking them seriously, I guess. They both have a lot of money, personally, and are the Dems pick for 2004. Probably explains it.
It's not that big a deal to me, or very surprising, for that matter, that the "movers and the shakers" hob-nob or plan economic/social/financial/poltical agendas together at yearly conferences. I mean, that's what guys like that do, right? I think the boogey-man anti-jew websites just confuse things and are silly.
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hey Muck? Why no paypal button the Muckpage? I'd hit it
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This thread is sort of boring . . . but to finish out--
Kerry and Edwards were invited to this meeting of world financiers. This group has been meeting to hash things out and plan things for years--probably to protect their assets. Maybe they wanted to find out where these guys stand regarding world markets. Or maybe they want to initiate them into the soical/political ideology of globalism (if they don't ascribe to it already). Who knows. In any case, it's completely unsurprising. I have to go feed my fish now. Bye.
JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Former President Jimmy Carter declared Indonesia's presidential election a success Wednesday, saying it proved Islam and democracy were compatible.
You're not exactly the best salesperson for this, Jimmuah.
Carter, whose nonprofit Carter Center monitored Monday's vote, commented as a partial count showed former Gen. Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono would likely face President Megawati Sukarnoputri in a runoff. Carter described the vote in the world's most populous Islamic nation as largely peaceful and transparent, adding that his group had found no "pattern of cheating." Carter also said Indonesia, which became the world's third-largest democracy after the fall of dictator Suharto in 1998, would help disprove the notion that Islam and free elections do not mix. "This is a vivid demonstration that it's not a citizen's religious faith that decides whether they prefer democracy," he said. "This rejects the frequent statements I hear in America that the Muslim faith is incompatible with democracy. The people of Indonesia have proven this to be a false premise."
With just over half of the 130 million votes counted, Yudhoyono led the field of five candidates with 33.6 percent. Megawati had won 26.3 percent. Election observers said she was expected to hold her lead over Wiranto, a former armed forces commander who goes by just one name, who had 22.1 percent. The runoff for the two top vote getters is set for Sept. 20. Political factions are already maneuvering ahead of the runoff. The Golkar Party, once a pillar of support for Suharto, controls parliament and would likely support and influence a new candidate, now that its nominee, Wiranto, appears headed for defeat. "Our position is a good one," said H. Bomer Pasaribu, a top Golkar official. "Whomever is president needs us. Without our cooperation in parliament, a new government would not be effective."
"So let's make a deal!" This guy belongs in Chicago.
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Former President Jimmy Carter declared Indonesia's presidential election a success Wednesday, saying it proved Islam and democracy were compatible.
Try telling that to the Islamozoids.
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The islamic faith is incompatible with democracy, unless, of course, it's not really islamic.
It has been stated by somebody about a year ago that if islam is to have it's reformation, it would happen in Indonesia.
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No matter what Jimmuh says, all I can hear is blah-blah-blah.
I wouldn't take his word for it if he said the sun rises in the East.
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As far as I'm concerned any election that Carter does not win is a success.
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Jimmy'll probably lead the UN election monitors Bernice and her blackwingnuts caucus asked for here this fall
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One of the things I would like to see before I die is Jimmy Carter being batting practice interviewed in front of one of his newly completed Habitat for Humanity freebie houses which then proceeds to collapse into rubble before the viewing public's eyes. That would be great television!
This is Part 2 in a series of articles written by me, Mike Sylwester, based on a new book, Nemesis, written by Peter Evans. (Part 1)
In January 1954 Aristotle Onassis signed a secret agreement with Saudi Arabiaâs finance minister. The agreement basically said that Onassis would provide Saudi Arabia with its own fleet of oil tankers. Saudi Arabia expected that its ownership of such a fleet would help that country to become independent of Western petroleum companies, to earn a fuller share of profits, and eventually to nationalize the entire industry on its territory. Onassis expected to earn hundreds of millions of dollars for his role in the arrangement.
Despite the secrecy, however, the US Government soon learned of the deal and during the following months employed a variety of methods to undermine it. The US Justice Department found fault with Onassisâs past purchases of oil tankers and subsequently seized his tankers and also money he had earned from those tankers. In February 1954 the Justice Department arrested Onassis himself and charged him with criminal conspiracy to buy the tankers illegally. The State Department pressured the Saudi government to disassociate itself from Onassis. Arrangements were made for Peru to seize nine of Onassisâ whaling ships. One of Onassisâs business associates was pressured to sue Onassis for swindling him out of $200,000 and to accuse Onassis of paying a $350,000 bribe to the Saudi finance minister. Eventually in October 1954 King Saud decided not to assign the agreement, which therefore became void. All these developments almost bankrupted Onassis.
Most of Onassisâ anger about the collapse of the Saudi deal was misdirected toward Robert Kennedy, who in 1954 was a 29-year-old attorney working on the staff of a Senate subcommittee. One of Kennedyâs investigations for the subcommittee had raised accusations about shipping business that some Greek companies conducted with Red China, but this issue did not involve Onassis in particular. Kennedy did not play any apparent role in the seizure of Onassisâs assets or in his arrest. The business associate who sued Onassis hired as an expert witness an accountant who had worked for Robertâs father Joseph Kennedy for many years, but that accountant had no direct association with Robert Kennedy himself.
In fact Robert Kennedy had nothing at all to do with the US Governmentâs discovery of Onassisâs Saudi deal. The CIA station in Athens had been informed about it by another Greek shipper, Stavros Niarchos, who was Onassisâs brother-in-law (the two men were married to two sisters). Niarchos had heard about the deal from Onassisâ wife Tina, who was involved in a love affair with Niarchos.
In order to protect the real source of its information, the CIA cleverly encouraged Onassisâ initial reaction that the deal had been exposed during Kennedyâs investigation of the Greek shippers who did business with Red China. For example, the accountant of Robert Kennedyâs father was apparently moved into and out of the lawsuit in order to inflame Onassisâ suspicions about Kennedyâs role in the matter. Niarchos himself certainly collaborated in the continuing effort to divert Onassisâ anger away from himself and onto Kennedy. And in the following years Kennedy himself publicly criticized Onassis on many occasions, which further enraged Onassis.
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In the early 1960s Onassis became closely involved in several business enterprises with a fellow Greek ex-patriot, Spyros Skouras, who had immigrated to the United States in 1912. Skouras became a movie producer and during that career, he clashed angrily several times with Joseph Kennedy, who was also a movie producer. In May 1962 Skourasâ movie studio was losing millions of dollars in the filming of Cleopatra and Somethingâs Got to Give. The latter movie starred Marilyn Monroe, who was extraordinarily capricious and absent during the filming. In conversations with Onassis, Skouras blamed Monroeâs misbehavior on Robert Kennedy, her secret lover. Skouras knew about this affair (and about Monroeâs earlier affair with John Kennedy) and informed Onassis.
Exasperated by the problems and losses caused by these two films, Skouras decided to leave the movie business and to establish a shipping business. Onassis invested $10 million in Skourasâ shipping business, which intended to introduce new loading and unloading technology that would require far fewer longshoremen. Because of this manpower issue, Onassis became involved in negotiations with Jimmy Hoffa, the chief of the Teamsters labor union and also a hater of Robert Kennedy, who was then the US Attorney General.
During this same time, Onassis began a love affair with Lee Radziwill, the younger sister of Jacqueline Kennedy. Lee and her husband Prince Stanislas Radziwill were each divorced from previous spouses when they married each other, so they married in a civil wedding instead of a Roman Catholic wedding. Since John Kennedy was now President of the United States, Robert Kennedy used the familyâs prestige to try to convince the Catholic Church to annul the Radziwillsâ previous marriages. This effort (and the Kennedy familyâs reputation) was endangered by publicity about Leeâs affair with Onassis, and so Robert Kennedy phoned Onassis directly and asked him to stay away from Lee. Onassis responded with the words, "Bobby, you and Jack fuck your movie queen [Monroe] and Iâll fuck my princess [Radziwill]." Onassis thus revealed to Robert Kennedy that he knew about the Kennedy-Monroe affairs, which were still very secret.
Also during this same time, Hoffa learned (perhaps from Onassis) about the Kennedy brothersâ affairs with Monroe and so he bugged Monroeâs home and telephones to record related conversations. Through these recordings, Hoffa learned that Monroe and Robert Kennedy had met in Monroeâs home on August 4, 1962, a few hours before she died of an overdose and that some of Kennedyâs associates had subsequently entered her house during the period between her death and the notification of the police. Hoffa apparently hinted to Onassis about the existence of these tape recordings, since Onassis asked Monroeâs publicist whether he knew anything about them, offering to pay big money to buy them.
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During the following months Robert Kennedy communicated subtle threats in order to pressure Onassis to stay away from Lee Radziwill. The main thrust of these threats was that Kennedy would exploit his position as US Attorney General to cause legal problems for Onassis and his businesses. This pressure backfired, as Onassis arranged for Radziwill to live blatantly with him on his yacht. The feud escalated dramatically in September 1963, when Jackie herself also moved onto the yacht for a few weeks in order to convalesce from a miscarriage. Robert Kennedy responded by continuing his subtle threats against Onassis, and Onassis responded by seducing Jacqueline on the yacht.
Refreshed by her affair with Onassis, Jacqueline returned to the White House. A few weeks later, on November 22, 1963, John Kennedy was assassinated. At Jacquelineâs invitation, Onassis came and stayed in the White House during the funeral days. Robert Kennedy confronted Onassis in the White House, and they eventually engaged in a ridiculous argument that embarrassed Onassis in front of the other guests. Kennedy wrote up a written statement for Onassis to sign, promising to donate half of his wealth to the poor, and Onassis signed the paper with Greek words that nullified the promise.
In the months following the assassination, Jacqueline wanted to quickly marry Onassis, but this desire was discouraged by Robert Kennedy, who now headed the Kennedy family. Robert Kennedy managed to prevent the marriage as long as he lived. He was assassinated on June 5, 1968. Onassis then married Jacqueline on October 20. To be continued.
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this is the "who-is-he-to-be-preaching-to-blacks" liberal spin. Incredible! The article uses just about every way possible to minimize or marginalize Cosbyâs perspective. excerpts:
Ron Daniels makes a similar case in an article in the June 13 issue of The Final Call, the newspaper of Louis Farrakhanâs Nation of Islam. Daniels defends Cosbyâs words but notes other factors affecting the black community, such as the lack of economic, educational and political opportunities. Perhaps one of the most troublesome aspects of Cosbyâs comments to some in the black community is that he did not verbalize the significant problems that still plague African-Americans. Many believe Cosby is gravely out of touch, or just plain ignorant. The gap between Cosby and his detractors was widened even further by the opinion of many that Cosby is a snob. "He comes off like an elitist looking out the window of his Mercedes, dabbing Grey Poupon on a croissant and duck breast after a hard day on the links, lamenting the âNegro Problem,â" writes Jim Izrael in a June 1 editorial for the New York Beacon.
Izrael, like others, wants to make clear the issues young blacks face today cannot be oversimplified and cannot be justified through divisive explanations like they are not doing enough. Khalil Tian Shahyd reminded people that Cosby is not a sociologist, but just a man â a man who happens to have truckloads of money and fame, thereby giving him not just a platform to dispense his opinion but also an audience eager to agree with his beliefs. "What surprised me was how Cosbyâs assertions were taken as fact without any shred of quantitative or qualitative analysis to back them up," Shahyd writes in the June 9 issue of the San Francisco Bay View. yes. how can he POSSIBLY make the assertion that education is important...with no data!!!?!!! How irresponsible he is to suggest that a teenaged girl having a child out of wedlock, with no financial support, is somehow going to limit her abilities to become a doctor or a lawyer.
"Too many times we see celebrities such as Cosby taken as the intellectual leaders of our community." Not by me. Ja Rule and Snoop Dog are my intellectual icons.
The notion that blacks have had such a large hand in creating their own situation is an idea conservatives have circulated for years â you canât help people who donât want to be helped, so why try? Cosbyâs sentiments instantly became fodder for the right. That conservative political doctrine has earned a popular black spokesman was the last straw for those who felt Cosby had gone too far. ahhh. so if the right says it, it must be wrong. gotcha.
Some, like 13-year-old Kiah Thomas, even felt that Cosby should apologize for his comment that kids with names like "Shaniqua" and "Mohammed" are all in jail. not all.
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Alternet--'nuff said.
It's so Leftist; they want the blacks to stay on the Dim Lib plantation.
Coz is brave and right to use his celebrity to lay some real truths on the "brothers" and the Truth always hurts.
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Ja Rule and Snoop Dog are my intellectual icons.
Elitist Uncle Tom!
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Daniels defends Cosbyâs words but notes other factors affecting the black community, such as the lack of economic, educational and political opportunities.
Please. Who says there aren't any educational opportunities? If one works hard in school, the educational opportunities materialize later on in high school and afterwards. From there springs the economic and political opportunities. To get something, ya gotta work for it.
Izrael, like others, wants to make clear the issues young blacks face today cannot be oversimplified and cannot be justified through divisive explanations like they are not doing enough.
And these "issues" are....?
"Too many times we see celebrities such as Cosby taken as the intellectual leaders of our community."
Thursday, July 8, 2004 · Last updated 3:26 a.m. PT
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SPRINGFIELD, Mass. -- Comedian Bill Cosby, who recently said black children are "going nowhere" because they don't know how to read and write, is paying for the college education of two top high school graduates who support themselves.
Police in Bangladesh have arrested a man accused of beheading his wife and her nephew in Rochester, Minnesota in 1999. Itâs not immediately clear yet if 37-year-old Iqbal Ahmed can be brought back to the U.S. to face trial. It was also not clear why Ahmed was arrested Friday, but a police investigator says he faces two murder charges in the U.S. and is involved with an outlawed Maoist rebel group and holds illegal arms. Ahmed was charged in Minnesota in 2001 in the slayings of Mary Zaman and her three-and-a-half-year-old nephew Mohammed Tahseen Taef. Their decapitated bodies were found in a ditch near Rochester in 1999. But Ahmed fled to Bangladesh soon after the bodies were found, and authorities there had declined to arrest him. Zamanâs sister has been missing since the same time the bodies were found.
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WTF is it with these people and their beheadings?
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I don't know anything about Islam...is there something in there that states that someone who has no head goes to hell or something? About the only way I can see them doing it on a consistent basis.
Then again, "heads up on pikes" has been used throughout history, so it may just be a throwback to "simpler" times.
"but a police investigator says he faces two murder charges in the U.S. and is involved with an outlawed Maoist rebel group and holds illegal arms." (He got their arms too?) didn't say, but does anyone want to bet he's a member of the ROP?
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Nothing so brave as a man who pisses on his flag, knowing full well that nothing will happen to him, other than making a buck and being slobered on by like minded swillers of his piss. Thats what I call wrapping yourself in the flag. Ah the easy life.
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I will smile in a big way when Michael Moore is slapped with a pedophile charge. Maybe animals would be better. Either that or the day he is found on the cold tiles of his bathroom floor awash in his own feces. He is vile.
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There you have it. He wants the flag to stand for clean water. This from a man who waddles up to the deep well of American freedom, fumbles with his zipper, and pisses in it.
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Best Bleat Ever? Maybe, maybe not, but definitely in the top ten.
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What a great post.
Michael Moore asks: âAre you proud that 40 million adult Americans are functional illiterates?â
No, but Iâll bet Michael Moore's pretty glad about it--so he can shove his bullshit down their throats.
This kills me: âAs a young boy, I loved the American flag. I'd lead my younger sisters in patriotic parades up and down the sidewalk, waving the flag, blowing a whistle and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance over and over (WTF? over and over? That's just wierd.)until my sisters begged(begged?) me to let them go back to their Easy-Bake Oven."
I donât belive this for a minute (he's just writing to conjure up "images), but for the sake of argument: So he trapped his sisters into being his audience, his parade group (he was the leader) and made them do what he wanted, forcing them to listen to his endless nannering. Well! I guess nothingâs changed. BTW, this is silly writing. Completely fake. I can come up with stuff on a moment's notice.
â . . . I won an essay contest on "What the Flag Means to Me." I decorated my bicycle with little American flags for a Fourth of July parade and won a prize for that too.
He says in high school, things changed--that ânine boys from my school came back home from Vietnam in boxes.â Yeah, except that the writer at the link researched and found Mike was lying. No such people.
âFor too long now we have abandoned our flag to those who see it as a symbol of war and dominance, as a way to crush dissent at home.â This is the beginning of the liberal âsell.â He goes on: â . . . flags are intended to send a message: "You're either with us or you're against us," "Bring it on!" or "Watch what you say, watch what you do." Poor, Poor, Paranoid Mikey.
âThose who absconded with our flag (WTF? Absconded with the flag?) now use it as a weapon against those who question America's course.â The Dems were saying this more than two years ago. Mike is just saying it âbetter,â and to a larger audience--and is making quite a tidy little fortune doing it.
"These so-called patriots hold the flag tightly in their grip and, in a threatening pose, demand that no one ask questions. Those who speak out find themselves (*this based on his extensive research):
shunned at work
harassed at school
booed off Oscar stages (thereâs his real beef--remember, he wants to win)
âThe flag has become a muzzle, a piece of cloth stuffed into the mouths of those who dare to ask questions.â Oh, please. What is he talking about? Anybody here stuff a flag in someone's mouth lately?
âWe need to redefine what it means to be a proud American.â
Well that sums up what he wants to do all right--thatâs his agenda in a nutshell. Deconstructionist tripe. The simple fact is, that Mike Moore has found what sells and what makes him popular. He likes the fact that he can use his skill to trick people into making him millions. He's found a way to "win."
Of course, this means the West will bail out, and effectively prop up, Mugabe
Zimbabweâs harvest will not meet the countryâs food needs and it will be forced to import food, the UN says. The UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) says the country faces a shortfall of 325,000 tons of cereals this year. The Zimbabwean government has predicted a record harvest of 2.4 million tons of maize. But FAO says it expects the harvest to be less than half that figure - around a million tons of cereal crops. It says erratic rainfall, a shortage of quality seeds, deep poverty and a mismanaged land reform programme are behind the poor harvest. UN agency: mealy-mouthed apology for a murderous crazed third world dictator? Check.
I think the battery's dead in this sympathy meter. Anybody got some jumper cables?
In a new report, the UN food body warns that between 30% and 40% of farmers may run out of food from their own production by the end of July. FAOâs report comes days after a survey said 2.3 million rural people would need food aid in the next year. Experts from FAO were ordered to leave the country before they completed their mission, but they visited the major cereal-growing provinces of Mashonaland, Manicaland and Matabeleland.
The prescription's running out on my specs. I read that as "Maniacland."
FAOâs Henri Josserand, head of the Global Information and Early Warning System, told BBC News Online that he thought the country would be forced to import food to make up the shortfall.
Reallllly?
"If they bring all the food that is missing, they have the resources, but what will they do with the food - do they give it for free? Do they sell it? Will people be able to afford it?" Mr Josserand said. "Some [people] wonât have enough money - those are the ones that we are concerned about - unless the government can give food for free, they will go without." FAO predicts a total harvest of some 950,000 tons of cereals - mainly maize, sorghum and millet. With its population of nearly 12 million, Zimbabwe needs a total of 2.35 million tons of cereals for the coming year, leaving a shortfall of 1.3 million tons. Almost a third of a million tons will not be covered by existing cereal stock or incoming orders and will probably be imported, FAO says. A dramatic land reform plan by President Robert Mugabe has also affected harvests. Dramatic? I can think of a lot of words to describe Mugabeâs driving-off of the white farming community. Dramatic ainât the first that comes to mind. But then Iâm not a Beeb journalist.
Mr Mugabeâs programme to reform land tenure and redistribute white-owned land to black people has contributed to a plunge in agricultural production. Zimbabwe has been transformed from being one of the regionâs breadbaskets to supporting millions with food aid. "The way land reform has been managed has made it difficult for people," Mr Josserand said. "When there is a lack of tenure, a lack of credit, itâs very difficult for people who have been allocated land to produce on a large scale, the system hasnât been followed through," he added. A pogrom that didnât quite work out? Whoda thunk it!
FAO says farmers are so desperate for seeds that they have been planting maize grain supplied as food aid.
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Time for some "folk" food, starting with Mugabe.
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Throw another 10 spot on Zimbabwe in the pool, if ya don't mind, bookmaker.
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Apparently European colonalism had some benefits. I work with a bunch of guys from South Africa, they seem to think that's the next country to recieve the hellhole treatment after Namibia.
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Okay, so what's next? Declare the half of the population that is opposed to Mugabe "enemies of the state", and massacre them? Try to push them out of the country? Declare war against somebody else?
Perhaps the problem here isn't the tyrant, it's the unwillingness of everybody else to do something about him.
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"seeds that they have been planting maize grain supplied as food aid"
Sigh. Folks, modern maize is almost exclusively hybridized. The food staple isn't the same thing as the seed. You can't save seed with maize, and expect good harvests on the replant. It depends on the varieties in question, and maize food aid would be a fairly random sample, but I would expect that the resulting plants, if they grew at all, would be terribly underweight and yield something that barely merits the name of "maize".
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Perhaps somebody should tell them of the excellent bark and grass recipes North Korea has been perfecting.
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Gee I wonder what country always grows more than enough food to feed itself and most of the world? France? Maybe they win in snail production and harvest. PRC? They produce and import a lot of foodstuffs. Syria? Grow plenty of Jihadis and nice little National Socialists but not enough farm land to export. What about that evil, despotic, unilateral, and genetically altered U.S.?
The man the Americans are parading is not the real Saddam Hussein.
"Nope. Nope. Somebody else. Sorry."
When a liar is clever and careful, he is convincing because he is plausible and covers all his tracks. However, the longer the lie is spun out, the more clues are left.
But enough about Michael Moore.
The Bush regime has been neither clever, nor careful nor plausible in its disastrous foreign policy, which culminates in parading a "Saddam" before the cameras who is certainly not the real Saddam Hussein, ex-President of Iraq.
"His real name is Herb!"
The first attempts at justifying the illegal act of butchery called the Second Gulf War started in December 2002 when documents were forged by British and American intelligence operationals, trying to create a link between Niger and Baghdad, which was supposed to be buying yellowcake uranium for its "active nuclear programme". In the event, Mohammed El Baradei, the Director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, saw the scam when the papers were presented to him. He said the letterhead was wrong, the names were wrong and the signatures were wrong. Those who showed the papers to him maintained a sullen and embarrassed silence and the issue was forgotten. Suddenly, Washington stopped talking about Baghdad's "active nuclear programme" and concentrated instead on its Weapons of Mass Destruction and its chemical and biological warfare programme.
Pravda is behind the rest of the world in seeing the Niger connection validated in the news.
"Magnificent intelligence" was presented by Colin Powell at the UN Security Council, complete with maquettes and satellite photographs of "mobile chemical facilities". Soon afterwards, when the international UNMOVIC teams were unable to find the WMD, the Bush administration declared that "we know where they are". So the act of liberation butchery was launched. In the event, no weapons of mass destruction were found yet, nor even the production facilities and certainly no active nuclear programme. However, since nobody has spoken about these lies for a year, public opinion has forgotten them.
Nobody but John Kerry. And Michael Moore. MoveOn.org. And George Soros. And Al Gore. And a few others...
Next was the story of the murder of Saddam Hussein's sons, Ouday and Qusay, who were mysteriously together (when common sense would tell them to split up not that those boys had a grain of common sense) with another man and a boy in a farmstead in the middle of a plain west of Baghdad. The story went as follows: hundreds of troops and a fleet of helicopter gunships finally killed the four after several hours of fighting.
We gave 'em a chance to come out with their hands up.
This story sounded like the child trying to justify the fact that he had forgotten his homework, claiming that the dog ate it, the house caught fire and that someone stole his school bag on the way into the classroom. The photographs were not shown to the public immediately and when they did appear, Iraqis across the country shook their heads in disbelief, claiming that these were not Saddam's sons.
But it's been over a year now since Uday last raped an Iraqi woman. How can that be?
Then came the pictures of the hitherto clean-shaven, articulate, educated and proud Saddam Hussein, crawling out of a hole, disheveled, bearded and dirty, supposedly in December but with the date trees laden with mature fruits, which only takes place in August in that part of the world. Another strange occurrence.
Hiding in a septic tank does make one rather ripe, boyos.
The supposed Saddam was shown by an unconvincing Paul Bremer who declared "Ladies and Gentlemen, (pause) we got him!" The pause was telling, an unsaid "Hot damn we finally got him" "I am going to tell a lie". When the ex-President of Iraq's wife was taken to Qatar to see him, she burst out laughing and immediately said that this was not her husband. Had the Americans fallen for their own trap, or were a small group of Americans fooling the others?
As I recall she was more interested in where the Kruggerrands were.
Curiously, the Saddam shown by the Americans has a long beard after capture and continues to wear an unruly beard now, whereas Saddam Hussein the president was always clean-shaven and with a moustache. Why the beard now? To hide the fact that he is not the real Saddam? To hide the jaw line?
Because we don't trust him with a razor?
Now, the Holy Grail is offered by Joe Vialls, who sent his article "Shaddam Shaddam's new Vaudeville Scam" to Pravda.Ru this morning. In this piece he points out that all photographers were banned from photographing "Saddam" in court for security reasons but then the CNN arrived in the person of Christiane Amanpour, who immediately started shooting hundreds of metres of video footage, which was then transformed into stills.
Christiane always could talk her way into most anything.
Here was the mistake. As Mr. Vialls points out, the real Saddam Hussein had a fine set of teeth, completely even, in which the upper jaw closed over the lower (overbite). The figure paraded in court, as it is easy to see, has highly irregular lower teeth and a condition called "underbite", when the lower teeth close in front of the upper. Touche. Dental records cannot lie. The set of teeth of the President of Iraq and the set of teeth of the man paraded before the cameras pretending to be Saddam Hussein are wholly and totally different.
Sure guys, they don't lie, but first you have to have the authentic set. How 'bout we yank out Saddam's molars and test the DNA in them?
The man they have in court is not the real Saddam Hussein. Yet another lie by this Bush administration is exposed. How much lower can this clique of criminals sink?
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%#@! Pravda.......the same commie lies & Soviet-KGB style non-stop propaganda. Nothing has changed, it just got worse under the 'new' Russia.
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Mark,
You have just been fooled by Capitalist propaganda. It has been scientifically proven that the Soviet Union never existed, therefore Pravda never existed in the Soviet Union or the new Russia.
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"A-ha! You are not Saddam Hussein--I suggest that you are none other than Ron Higgins, professional Cardinal Richelieu impersonator, impersonating Saddam Hussein!"
"Curse you, infidel, you have found me out!"
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Posted by: ed ||
07/08/2004 9:44 Comments ||
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Okay, you got us. The real Saddam and sons were killed by a bomb during the war? Or they're in North Korea with Kimmie, gorging on hamburgers? What are the implications of this? Cancel my Pravda subscription!
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07/08/2004 9:46 Comments ||
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"This isn't Saddam Hussein, it's..."
"Old Man Hainey?"
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddlesome kids!"
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Pravda appeals to that element of the Russian readership whose childhood diet consisted mostly of captured German rye-bread and radioactive cabbage.
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Everyone know the real Saddam is now Lynde England's love slave. "And now, big guy, we get to page 27 of the Victoria's Secret catalogue."
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I wonder if Lumpy Riefenstahl will give proper attribution when he uses this in his next film?
After all, he probably has a lot more respect for Pravda than he does for Ray Bradbury.
Personally, I think Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey is an impostor. The man who writes for Pravda shows a full set of teeth, yet he has a British upper class name. How likely is that?
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Gang, you can e-mail the author of this piece, the alleged Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey, from the link on his Pravda bio-page.
It's obvious from the photo that Tim shares many of Michael Moore's interests (probably Mars Bars) as well as his ethics and politics.
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A Mars Bar is a calorie-laden chocolate confection, enormously popular in the UK.
They are made in Waco, Texas, which undoubtedly gives them a certain cachet with commie conspiraloons like Tim.
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Sorry gang, Tim's letter is not to Michael Moore but to a similarly disgruntled lefty who shares his first name.
I tacked on "Moore" out of sheer habit.
I mean, I was thinking "commie" "fat-guy" and "fifth columnist" the whole time, and my fingers made the connection on their own.
When it comes to teaching English as a second language, the University of New Brunswick does not mess around. Slip into your mother tongue back in the dorm and you can be expelled. A T-shirt with a non-English slogan is enough to get you kicked out. And as Yvan Tessier, a blind man from Trois-Rivieres, Que., learned this week, don't even think about telling your guide dog "Assis!" instead of "Sit!"
After being accepted into the five-week summer immersion program last spring and offered a federal bursary, Mr. Tessier was denied entry on Sunday when he was unable to sign "the Pledge" required of all applicants. In Mr. Tessier's case, it was not enough that he agree to speak to the professors and other students in English; the university insisted that he sign a contract promising that "all communication with your guide dog will be exclusively in English." The problem for the 39-year-old master's student at Ottawa's Saint Paul University is that Pavot, the black Labrador that has helped him get around for the past two years, was trained to respond to 17 concise French commands. Tell him "Stay!" and he would be lost.
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Figures.
I can see their point, though. It's hard for them to "lower their standards" when they've already hit rock-bottom.
Ladies and gents, I give you the "compassionate" Left. May they rot in hell.
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"We have students here who are allergic to dogs. We have students here who have religious affiliations that they cannot associate in the same room with a dog. Those kinds of things we have to take into account," she said.
Care to guess which religion she's talking about?
Posted by: Rafael ||
07/08/2004 10:55 Comments ||
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Right-on, Barbara, Rafael.
This is too much. They are requiring a man with a seeing-eye dog to speak to the dog in English only (though the dog was trained for commands in French). The guy said he'd speak to classmates, professors, and even his dog (off duty) in English, but it wasn't good enough.
Idiots. Idiots. Idiots.
Liberals = Idiots.
Too bad he's not here in the US. He could sue the twerps for discrimination and teach all the universities a lesson in the process!
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whats this got to do with liberals? I thought English only, educational standards, and full imersion for learning English were all conservative causes?
And that ADA (whats the Canadian equivalent) was a liberal cause?
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