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2004-07-08 Home Front: Politix
Bilderberg ’performance’ key to Edwards VP pick
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Posted by Dragon Fly 2004-07-08 8:59:34 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Argh. Does this mean I now have to turn in my Davos membership and learn the secret Bilderberg handshake? I will miss the Swiss ski slopes.
Posted by ed 2004-07-08 9:12:56 AM||   2004-07-08 9:12:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The Illuminati is pleased, buy the Mason's are playing wait and see.
Posted by tu3031 2004-07-08 9:33:13 AM||   2004-07-08 9:33:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Calling agent A.L. Chappeau!

Or muck4doo. What's the latest from the owl worshippers mucki?
Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 9:39:02 AM||   2004-07-08 9:39:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Funny excerpt quoted from a Beeb story: The group, which includes luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former UK chancellor Kenneth Clarke, does not even have a website
Posted by eLarson 2004-07-08 9:43:39 AM||   2004-07-08 9:43:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 The important thing is, if he's not a liberati, he's not one of them.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-08 9:48:13 AM||   2004-07-08 9:48:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Should read "...a member of the liberati...", I guess...
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-08 9:50:05 AM||   2004-07-08 9:50:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 There should be some expression like: "Couldn't create a New World Order with a Road Map for Peace and an (IM F)lashlight."
Posted by Anonymous5545 2004-07-08 10:24:18 AM||   2004-07-08 10:24:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#8  " the Bilderberg meetings emphasize a globalist agenda and promote the idea that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive . . ."

Regardless of the kook fringe who get "conspiracy erections", there ARE conspiracies of this sort going on. For those who participate, they truly believe they know what's best for the world, and they very much like the power/idea that they can foster a new order. Don't kid yourselves.

If Kerry and his minions are in on this, it wouldn't surprise me at all, considering his personal ambitions, his psych complex, and the consistent "ends justifiy the means" flip-flopping he does on issues and presentation of person. People like Kerry and the "let's redesign the world" group also believe the "masses are asses," and that they should rule in the "new and improved" version of Plato's republic.

(Hey--it's hard to believe the FBI is chock full of Islamic loyalists bent on thwarting the WOT effort, isn't? But it's happening.)


Posted by ex-lib 2004-07-08 11:01:07 AM||   2004-07-08 11:01:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 One more thing: participants in groups like these see the world as a kind of financial/political gameboard. In the past, nations and boundaries were once "created" by mere men (look at Africa), so they believe that they can just as well "un-create" nations and do something new--with themselves as rulers or power holders/brokers. It's akin to a sport for them.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-07-08 11:06:32 AM||   2004-07-08 11:06:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 ya! you are tell them ex-lib!

you guys doing exactly what they are want you to. go ahead laff it up. in the mean time they are implement they agenda and maybe you are notice once you are stop laffing. this election rig for skull and bonez-bilderberger party to win unless nader is pull off a miracle. this in remind me of when rome was sack by barbarian hores the masses are not notice to busy being entertain by they games. they are not notice till it in to late.

chainey and skerry are well on way to they goal and edwards and perle is them gofer boys.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-07-08 11:18:21 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-07-08 11:18:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 That's a classic Mucky! (especially the barbarian hores;)
Posted by Spot  2004-07-08 11:50:33 AM||   2004-07-08 11:50:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 mucky: even though you are still my favorite ducky, you are obviously out of touch with what goes on in the world.

What is a conspiracy? It is simply an fundamental idea that goes against the present mainstream or platform of current power--an idea that people believe in and think they can achieve.

Examples: Michael Moore is part of a liberal "conspiracy" of sorts, the terrorist factions in Iraq setting out roadside explosives or kidnapping and beheading "infidels" are involved in "conspiracies," Kerry and Edwards and whoever else conspire to win the highest office of the most powerful country on earth. So what. It's a fact of life. Half of the articles on Rantburg today have to do with "conspiracies" of one sort or another if you didn't notice.

It might surprise you, mucky, that elite professors in many universities across the country have an idea (which they openly promote at the graduate level, depending on the level of complicity within their administrations) to work to "deconstruct" our present system/society/values/morals/politics, in order to replace with various versions of socialism/globalism. "Politically Correct" was a term invented by just such a professor (U of Madison, WI) about ten years ago--and it has certainly caught on, hasn't it?

I don't know anything about the "Bilderberg meetings," other than what I read today, but the fact that some are interested in pushing globalism and promote the idea that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive (especially people like Kerry/Edwards) is not at all far-fetched, and is not news to me.

The lunatic fringe and their obsession with silly conspiracy-like plots and whisperings does not neutralize the fact that this stuff happens all the time. Denial is more comfortable, but I don't think it's smart.

I stand by my posts (#8, #9, and this one).

Posted by ex-lib 2004-07-08 11:50:41 AM||   2004-07-08 11:50:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 I agree with mucky. Ex-lib is whacked out today. Michael Moore isn't involved in any kind of liberal "conspiracy." He's right out in the open about what he's doing. Sheesh! Nothing to get our panties or shorts in a bunch over. It's all right here.

"Anti-Bush polemicist and filmmaker Michael Moore . . . voicing hope for "regime change" in Australia, Italy and Japan . . . "

and

" . . . the Scripps-Howard News Service reports that "terrorists who also are Michael Moore fans" might make it a blockbuster over there, too . . . the movie will soon debut in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and Bahrain . . . Screendaily.com was quoted as saying, Moore "is getting a boost from organizations related to Hezbollah . . ."

Nothing to worry about, except non-contributing posts from scaredy-cat conservative idiots like ex-lib. Change happens. It's best to just strap in for the ride.

Get a clue, ex-lib freak.


Posted by brainy 2004-07-08 12:09:05 PM||   2004-07-08 12:09:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Easy brainy.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-08 12:43:44 PM||   2004-07-08 12:43:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 If that's Brainy's contribution, I don't want to hear what Grumpy and Dopey have to say...
Posted by Bulldog  2004-07-08 12:56:31 PM||   2004-07-08 12:56:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 exlib - most of the post modernist deconstructors arent interested in any form of socialism - theyre too busy proving that mickey mouse is structurally imperialist to bother with anything as trivial as power, industry or class. Theyre chattering heads mainly interested in getting tenure, not revolutionaries - the real lefties are rather fed up with them, for just that reason.

The term "politically correct" was used by communists as far back as the 1930's to describe cultural products that didnt agree with party goals ("abstract painting may be pretty, but its not Politically Correct, go back to socialist realism") it was used in a derogatory way against Multiculturalists for attacking good artwork (like Huck Finn, for example) for its "political" content. It was derogatory cause it implicitly compared the multiculties to Stalinists.

End of todays lesson.


And I would agree with Brainy - conspiracy usually implies something secret, not everytime a group of people join together to do something.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:04:40 PM||   2004-07-08 1:04:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Ladies and Gents, let's step back a minute and look at what "conspiracy " actually means: Its simply an agreement between two or more people to commit some act! it doesn't have to be hidden or secret---just an agreemnet to act in concert! Don't assign all your old "boogey man" fears, trepiations and inferences to the word.
The real issue is do these folks have common goals and , as a result have they agreed to act in concert ("conspire") to further those goals?
Posted by Anonymous5289 2004-07-08 1:42:24 PM||   2004-07-08 1:42:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 So, where's the Red-Headed League in all this? And does Edwards now get an invite to walk naked in the woods at the Boehemian Club annual summer camp?
Posted by Jumbo  2004-07-08 1:53:12 PM||   2004-07-08 1:53:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 dictionary.com : An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
A group of conspirators.
Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

So its EITHER to perform an illegal act, OR it has sinister overtones.

IF its A. Legal and B. In the open its generally not called a conspiracy.

Try walking into your boss and telling her that you and your coworkers are forming a conspiracy to produce a report, and see her reaction.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 1:57:17 PM||   2004-07-08 1:57:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Jumbo - Now that's the "honor" that indicates you've made the big time. Wonder if he looks good in olive wreath... all that hair...
Posted by .com 2004-07-08 2:02:08 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/root_for_us.jpg]  2004-07-08 2:02:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 ex-lib if you are want to learn more about bilderbergers go here.

i am sugest you are check it out before em chainey and skerry are shut it down.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-07-08 2:44:20 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-07-08 2:44:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 muck4doo iam think best link ever. yoo do good job links.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-07-08 2:50:14 PM||   2004-07-08 2:50:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#23  One more thing: participants in groups like these see the world as a kind of financial/political gameboard

as have heads of state for several hundred years. Thats the way things worked in the West from the middle ages down through say, the Congress of Vienna. The notion that peoples ought to have a say in what state theyre part of was the revolutionary idea - and part of the reason Woodrow Wilson gave the Brits and French fits at Versailles.

The notion of foreign policy "realism" survives - to some extent its inevitable in an anarchic world - but I think its best to push back for selfdetermination and democracy. This is a struggle in both parties. I suggest Oxblog for serious advocacy of democracy promotion.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 3:08:26 PM||   2004-07-08 3:08:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Liberalhawk: you're pretty stupid to be listening to brainy.

"End of today's lesson," you say? (Snotty, aren't we. ) Anyway--not hardly, and evidently, you are no expert. I happen to know the prof who knows the other prof who promoted and popularized(i.e. "invented) the term "Politically Correct" for our times--according to social deconstructionist political agendas happening NOW. These profs just "chattering heads mainly interested in getting tenure. not revolutionaries" ? " . . . the post modernist deconstructors arent interested in any form of socialism."? How wrong you are, Liberalhawk. They are global socialists, no mistake.

The heads of state do not see "the world as a kind of financial/political gameboard" in quite the same way as I was pointing out. It has to do with the maintenance of power versus the creation of new platforms of power on a global scale. If you seriously "think its best to push back for selfdetermination and democracy" good for you, but you are such an appeaser, I don't know if you understand that others aren't as good-willed and well-intentioned as yourself.

"Conspiracy" happens. So what! (as I said before). It's just a fact of life.

(And yes, Michael Moore was quite "conspiratorial" about his aspirations and agendas while planning, funding and producing the film. Now that he feels power on his side, he's "come out of the (liberal) closet" and is shooting off his mouth all over the place about his purely "leftist" designs--a strange capitalist bedfellow, that Mikey is.)

mucky: I will check out the link and respond.



Posted by ex-lib 2004-07-08 4:39:32 PM||   2004-07-08 4:39:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 very funny! mucky--me a thinkin' you been hangin out wit antiwar too much. she really like that link i bet. : )

OTOH, what I found:

Alden Hatch, H. R. H. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands: An Authorized Biography, G. G. Harrap & Co. [London], 1962: "The Group perceives itself as being supra-governmental. Indeed, Bilderberg founder Prince Bernhard himself once said, 'It is difficult to re-educate people who have been brought up on nationalism to the idea of relinquishing part of their sovereignty to a supra-national body.' "

Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th ed. Vol. 2, p. 211: "The Bilderberg Conference is an annual three-day conference that brings together some of Europe's and North America's most influential bankers, economists, politicians, and government officials. 'The conference, held in a different Western country each year, is conducted in an atmosphere of rigid secrecy. The conference provides a private, informal environment in which those who influence national policies and international affairs can get to know each other and discuss without committment their common problems. . . . The conference takes its name from the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek, Netherlands, where the first meeting was initiated by Prince Bernahrd of the Netherlands in May 1954."

If Kerry and Edwards were invited guests to this conference, at least some(presumabley) powerful people are taking them seriously, I guess. They both have a lot of money, personally, and are the Dems pick for 2004. Probably explains it.

It's not that big a deal to me, or very surprising, for that matter, that the "movers and the shakers" hob-nob or plan economic/social/financial/poltical agendas together at yearly conferences. I mean, that's what guys like that do, right? I think the boogey-man anti-jew websites just confuse things and are silly.



Posted by ex-lib 2004-07-08 5:08:08 PM||   2004-07-08 5:08:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Don't underestimate the power of rich folks who want to run/ruin/fix the world. I'm with ex-lib on this.
Posted by Sgt.DT  2004-07-08 5:22:23 PM||   2004-07-08 5:22:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 ex-lib antiwar is beleve in rothschild conspiracy and ima not. she is probly like it tho.

ima have my motto:

just cuz it in not all true isnt mean it not all false.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-07-08 6:46:02 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-07-08 6:46:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Mucky - that is soooo weird! That's my motto too! Along with: "We aim to please if we aim at all"
Posted by Frank G  2004-07-08 7:05:32 PM||   2004-07-08 7:05:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 im have to steal my motter
when the going gets weird the pros buy alcoa
Posted by Half 2004-07-08 8:09:50 PM||   2004-07-08 8:09:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 lol frank and half!
Posted by muck4doo 2004-07-08 8:15:07 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-07-08 8:15:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 hey Muck? Why no paypal button the Muckpage? I'd hit it
Posted by Frank G  2004-07-08 8:36:52 PM||   2004-07-08 8:36:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 This thread is sort of boring . . . but to finish out--

Kerry and Edwards were invited to this meeting of world financiers. This group has been meeting to hash things out and plan things for years--probably to protect their assets. Maybe they wanted to find out where these guys stand regarding world markets. Or maybe they want to initiate them into the soical/political ideology of globalism (if they don't ascribe to it already). Who knows. In any case, it's completely unsurprising. I have to go feed my fish now. Bye.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-07-08 11:11:08 PM||   2004-07-08 11:11:08 PM|| Front Page Top

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