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2004-07-08 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Steve White 2004-07-08 12:01:24 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 He bailed on his unit 4 months in country?

Well, there is precedent, isnt there Mr. Kerry?

Posted by OldSpook 2004-07-08 12:24:24 AM|| 2004-07-08 12:24:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I have been saying this for a while now. There is something rotten in the State of Denmark!

Posted by Anonymous4724 2004-07-08 4:31:46 AM|| 2004-07-08 4:31:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 U.S. Embassy: Missing Marine Is in Lebanon

58 minutes ago

By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer

TRIPOLI, Lebanon - The U.S. Embassy has "credible information" that missing U.S. Marine Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun is safe in his native Lebanon, but hasn't been able to confirm it, a public affairs officer said Thursday.

"We're working on confirmation of that," Elizabeth Wharton told The Associated Press, speaking about information the Embassy had received about the fate of 24-year-old Hassoun, who went missing in Iraq (news - web sites) more than two weeks ago.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_us_marine

Posted by Anonymous4724 2004-07-08 6:49:02 AM|| 2004-07-08 6:49:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Ball is in his court now,if he does not turn hisself over to the Embassy,and report for duty(Embassy Gaurds are Marines)then he is guilty of desertion in the face of the enemy.He is then subject to disaplinary action upto and includeing death.

Posted by Raptor 2004-07-08 7:49:28 AM|| 2004-07-08 7:49:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 John Mohammed, the DC area sniper that murdered 13 in DC and more infidels in other parts of the US.

Hasan K. Akbar who killed two (including the brigade intelligence chief) and wounded 14 other 82nd Airborne soldiers in Kuwait.

Muslims service men, including a Muslim chaplain, in Guantanamo smuggling out classified information about the prisoners, with 1 or 2 who then went to Syria. Translations involving these Muslims are tainted.

Muslim US Army convert caught trying to give M1 Abrams tank vulnerabilities to AQ and trying to join the Jihad.

Wassef Ali Hassoun either defecting or deserting and making a Jihadi snuff video preview reel.

Multiple instances of Muslim immigrants, such as the Portland 7, who have either gone to Afganistan for Jihad against Americans or were training for Jihad in the US.

Muslim groups funding and acting as spokesmen for terrorist groups, including Al Qaeda, with Muslim charity donations with dollars earned in the US.

Numerous instances of imams on video preaching Jihad against Americans in US mosques.

Celebrating 9/11 at the FBI
Arab translators cheered Sept. 11

Is there a pattern?

Contrast this with Japanese Nissei and Issei who were all interned after Pearl Harbor, and who, to prove their faith and loyalty to America, volunteered to form and fight in the 442nd RCT, the most decorated US combat unit in WW2.

Muslims in the US are a clear and present threat to America and Americans.

Posted by ed 2004-07-08 7:50:09 AM|| 2004-07-08 7:50:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 ed - there were also SOME Japanese immigrants who worked with Japanese intell. But as you say, the MAJORITY of Japanese immigrants were loyal to the US. SO the question is the MAJORITY of Muslims in the service.

As for this guy he sounds less like a traitor then a deserter. Sorry, but plenty of red blooded all Americans have deserted over the years, with no particular political motivation.

Unless of course he comes back - we shall see.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 8:09:26 AM|| 2004-07-08 8:09:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 LH,
Know of any deserters that have made a video threatening to behead themselves? Motivation? I think you already know what that is. And I have no faith he will return. Also, it was one item of 10 listed, and not the important data point.

Yes, the US intell services intercepted Japanese communications (via Mexican City embassy?) threatening sabotage. That is why all the Japanese immigrants and decendents were rounded up and placed in internment camps for the duration of the war. We have already seen acts of murder, encouragement of Jihad, denial of Muslim responsibility for attacks (such as 9/11), and financial support for our enemies, who are much more murderous than the Japanese ever were to us.

Why no comparable action on our part?

Posted by ed 2004-07-08 8:30:17 AM|| 2004-07-08 8:30:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 erh, 1. cause in retrospect the internment of the Japanese is considered mistake, and not something we want to repeat.
2. Cause in WW2 we had no Japanese countries that were allies (unreliable or not) or neutrals. So there was no strategic cost to doing so. In the case of muslims, rounding up US muslims (beyond what we have already done) would be imcompatible with our strategy in this war.

Note again for those who arent aware of it - half of all US army and Marine combat brigades are currently deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Thats well over what the Army considers a sustainable ops tempo. Some National Guard units are having problems with recruitment and retention. If we DID NOT have friendly Iraqi or Afghan forces who would we replace them with? Who would pursue jihadis in Yemen, and even (albeit they do it halfheartedly) in Saudi and Pakistan. And WOULD we get cooperation if we rounded up every American muslim?? It would be the biggest gift we could give AQ.
4. I note that we never interned German Americans or Italian Americans, despite signs of disloyalty at least as great among German Americans as among Japanese Americans.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 9:39:08 AM|| 2004-07-08 9:39:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 ed,

Small point of history. The Japanese intentions towards us were every bit as murderous as evidenced by their POW camps, the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking etc. My grand-dad fought on Okinawa and he could testify to some horribly murderous things that the Japanese did to our soldiers.

You'll notice of course that except for the surprise slaughter at Pearl Harbor, the Japanese never got a chance to work out their murderous intentions on US soil but we have brave men like my Grand-dad to thank for that, not any difference between the Japenese of WWII and the Islamists of today.

If there is any difference today, it is that this new bloodthirsty bunch finds it much much easier to attack us on our soil and betray us from within.

Posted by peggy 2004-07-08 9:59:05 AM|| 2004-07-08 9:59:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Aside from the (disgusting) cookies and punch celebration of the 911 attacks in the FBI offices, by FBI staff no less, there is even more to be concerned about:

"The language service squad is the front line in the FBI's war on terrorism, collecting all foreign language tips, information and terrorist threats to homeland security. Agents act on what the squad translates and reports. The sooner they get the information, the sooner they can thwart terrorist attacks."

So, basically, it's crickets chirping . . .

"Investigators had missed clues to both the 2001 and 1993 World Trade Center attacks because they were buried in a backlog of untranslated wiretaps and documents in Arabic."

Like I said: crickets chirping . . .

"Despite the backlog, Feghali told Edmonds and other translators to just let the work pile higher, according to Edmonds. Why? Money. She says Feghali, who has recruited family and friends to work with him at the high-paying language unit, argued that Congress would approve an even bigger budget for it if they could continue to show big backlogs."

"We were told to take long breaks, to slow down translations, and to simply say 'no' to those field agents calling us to beg for speedy translations so that they could go on with their investigations and interrogations of those they had detained," said Edmonds, who was fired without specified cause by the FBI after she reported breaches in security, mistranslations and potential espionage by Middle Eastern colleagues.

Looks like crickets are going to be chirping for some time . . .

It certainly is mind-boggling to realize that the fox is in the hen house. : ( !

peggy is right: " . . . this new bloodthirsty bunch finds it much much easier to attack us on our soil and betray us from within."

No wonder they missed the guys in Avon, Colorado etc., etc., etc., etc.

This is really sickening.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-07-08 10:36:51 AM|| 2004-07-08 10:36:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Exactly right ex-lib. Daniel Pipes wrote a great piece about this..."Federal Bureau of Islamists".

Liberal hawk - We did INDEED round up Italian Americans during WWII and inter them in camps. Check your history facts again...

Now would be a very good time for all to educate themselves on islamic teaching regarding muslims, the military, fighting in the infidel army against non-muslims, etc.

Posted by jawa 2004-07-08 11:17:46 AM|| 2004-07-08 11:17:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 "They cut me head off!"
"Eh, you look alright to me"
"I got better"

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-08 11:33:28 AM|| 2004-07-08 11:33:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Peg, just a clarification. The Phillipines were still a US territory in 1941 and occupied by the Japanese by early 1942. When MacArthur 'return' the Japanese Imperial Forces committed another Nanking in Manila in February 1945 butchering probably more civilians than died at either of the atomic bombsites. These were not civilians caught in the crossfire, these were the very target of the Japanese military in Manila. Another piece of history buried by the 'hate America' crowd.

Posted by Don 2004-07-08 12:22:53 PM|| 2004-07-08 12:22:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 " . . . this new bloodthirsty bunch finds it much much easier to attack us on our soil and betray us from within."

What's worse is that non-Islamists exist among the population who'd be happy to help.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-07-08 12:41:11 PM|| 2004-07-08 12:41:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Flash AP reports Cpl. Hassoun is at the US EMBASSY in Beirut.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 12:55:57 PM|| 2004-07-08 12:55:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Jawa - cite on internment of Italians? was it as thorough as internment of west coast Japanese?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-08 12:56:52 PM|| 2004-07-08 12:56:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Missing Marine at U.S. Embassy in Lebanon

Posted by Dragon Fly 2004-07-08 1:01:54 PM|| 2004-07-08 1:01:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Internments of Italians? LOL!
I expect Jawa is talking about the detention and repatraitions of Italian Nationals.
A huge difference! And prior to embarkation they were kept esconced in a Manhattan or was it a Catskill hotel! LOL
jeeezz...

Same with Chermans BTW.

Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 4:25:31 PM|| 2004-07-08 4:25:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 http://www.cnn.com/US/9709/21/italian.relocation/ lists Italian and German deportation and internment camp resources. Not only Japanese on the West Coast, but all enemy aliens on the West Coast were subject to interment, including Germans and Italians.

Posted by Anonymous5348 2004-07-08 4:40:32 PM|| 2004-07-08 4:40:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 From 5348s link
At the same time, the sons of these so-called "enemy aliens" went off to fight for the United States.

The enemy aliens were Italian Nationals... their children were US citizens...

the Japaneese who were interned in many cases were natural-born US citizens... the quotes around "enemy Aliens" is a CNN exclusive.

Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 6:01:26 PM|| 2004-07-08 6:01:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Liberalhawk:

Anonymous 5348 correctly cited just one of over 600 sources on msn search alone. Type in, "Internment of Italians during WWII". There are literally thousands of sources on this one. Canada had a similar, but much worse program. Shipman, you contradicted yourself.

Posted by jawa 2004-07-08 7:35:57 PM|| 2004-07-08 7:35:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 I expect it won't be the last time Jawa.
But, I'll read it again.

Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 7:44:53 PM|| 2004-07-08 7:44:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Well, I'm still looking over the google list... but I'm haven't found a source yet for Native born Americans of Italian descent who were interned. Is there a good source?
Enlighten me.

I may need to call upon agent A.L. Chappeau.

Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 7:50:39 PM|| 2004-07-08 7:50:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Native born Americans of Italian descent who were interned

I think that was called bootcamp

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-08 7:54:09 PM|| 2004-07-08 7:54:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 LOL Frank!
My Dad still keeps his resume up to date and lists 1942-1945 as Amphibious Clerk II.

Posted by Shipman 2004-07-08 7:57:14 PM|| 2004-07-08 7:57:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Frank and Ship, that would have been dudes like my Dad!
(Except that our Italian roots are 400 years back.)

Posted by Jen 2004-07-08 7:58:29 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-07-08 7:58:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Hey Shipman, LOL consider yourself enlightened.

Here's a start:http://www.frontpagemag.org/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3570 Deals with the issue of Italian and German Americans.

Also, this site that deals with legislation on the issue: http://www.foitimes.com/internment/legislation.htm

I'm sure this is what you were looking for.

Posted by jawa 2004-07-08 10:35:38 PM|| 2004-07-08 10:35:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 LH,
American internment of Japanese was very appropriate. Japanese-American immigrant (but not their children) loyalty to mother Japan was much more prevalent than modern history books teach. What do you think would have been the effect of them attacking pipelines, oil refineries, locating targets (such as CA aircraft factories) for sub bombardment, or just reporting when large numbers of ships leave west coast ports for offensive action. What would have been the effect on the Battle of Midway if the Japanese had an accurate knowledge of the American order of battle?

We are in the very early stages of a civilization conflict. It will get much worse before it concludes. Before this ends, I believe we will lose several cities to nuclear attack. I donât consider the US is yet fighting a war. Instead our leaders are using our military as a Middle East social engineering project, while our enemies want to wipe us out. Though noble, I donât believe is will work. Instead we spend enormous resources hunting down individual terrorists and in defensive social costs (e.g. airline security) without getting to the root of the problem, while their societies keep producing more Jihadis. This is akin to the Soviets conducting an investigation an investigation, identifying culprits, and issuing arrest warrants after each time the SS destroyed a Ukrainian town and the inhabitants killed. By now the Germans would be drinking schnapps in Vladivostok.

I have to acknowledge Islam is not compatible with democracy, liberty and free will.
Amend the Constitution to outlaw Islam on US territory. Donât intern US Muslims. Deport those, who donât convert, to their home countries, and get on with the real war. Islam is not compatible with a free society and the only way it can co-exist with other societies is by ignoring the teachings of the Koran. But Islam will always breed extremists due to the simple fact that they more closely adhere to the teachings of the Koran than âmoderateâ Muslims. If, by some miracle, we are able to change the mideast, I donât believe it will last. The teachings of Islam will always pull the faithful to extremism, amplified by Arab social norms that allow many men no chance for breeding success unless they conquer. So my grandkids will have to deal with it all over again.

Peggy,
I am familiar with Japanese cruelty to occupied people. All the male members of my Asian grandmotherâs extended family were killed fighting the Japanese invasion or executed in the immediate onset of occupation. I have no desire to see the same thing happen to the US, just because a significant portion of the population is willfully ignorant of what our enemies have in store for us.

The Japanese also killed 15 million Chinese during the war in Mainland China. As bad as Japanese treatment of captured American soldiers in the Philippines was, treatment of the Filipino soldiers was even worse. Interned American civilians had it marginally better, but Filipino civilians sympathetic to Americans had no chance. But I agree with you about the torture and execution of American prisoners during the Pacific Island campaigns. Many of my American grandfatherâs extended family were career soldiers and marines, several of whom were wounded fighting in the Pacific. It was a fight to the death and none of them took any prisoners. What we in the west forget is that taking large numbers of prisoners is a very recent Western concept. War in most parts of the world is a death struggle of one tribe or nation over the other, and the US should never forget that.

Posted by ed 2004-07-09 12:44:44 AM|| 2004-07-09 12:44:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 I agree with you completely Ed.

Posted by jawa 2004-07-09 7:56:30 AM|| 2004-07-09 7:56:30 AM|| Front Page Top

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