AL-QAIDA supporters are being hardened in British jails, not reformed, it has been claimed. Convicted terrorists are using their incarceration to preach jihad to vulnerable young men and build up networks, according to Whitehall sources.
The radicalising process is said to be similar to that experienced by IRA members at the Maze prison in Northern Ireland. A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said: "We are actively working to ensure that extremists in prison do not pose a threat to the public, prison staff or other prisoners."
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It's looking more and more like all suspected and convicted terrorist detainees should be held in solitary confinement. Any people who wish to wail about cruel and unusual punishment should talk to those who have lost loved ones in terror attacks.
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Most Euro justice ministers can sign versions of "security certificates" that allow indefinite detention. Hardened jihadis deserve a life behind bars, if not summary execution.
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Maybe that fellow who feels Brits shouldn't be in Basra is right---even if for wrong reasons. Maybe Her Majesty's forces are best employed defending the Homeland from Jihad?
Lest we forget. The Nord-Ost Theater incident was only one pearl in Basayev's necklace of barbarism, but it was particularly lustrous from the Islamist point of view. It put the Russian government in the position of having to take action of some sort, when any action it took -- to include none at all -- would result in large numbers of civilian casualties. I'm hoping that Shamil's 72 virgins are busy poking him in the nether regions with white hot pitchforks even as we speak blog, and that they continue doing so until well after Doomsday.
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It remains a total mystery how Russia can be so purblind about their continued support of Iran and other terrorist sponsors despite the Nord-Ost and Beslan atrocities. Well ... at least until you remember the less mysterious Russian tradition of walking over their own grandmothers for a few rubles.
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Putin has done the cold calculation of how many Russians lost vs. how many adversaries lost at the hands of Islamic Iran. He is putting his own energy headlock on Western Europe and letting Iran drive up the cost of energy for the U.S. and feed U.S. troops into an IED meat grinder. When all is said and done, he can wipe Iran off the map in a half hour with ICBMs if he has to.
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I honestly think they are taking daily turns at it, Putin, Ahmadinerjacket, Mugabe, Chavez, al-Maliki, the British Army General Staff, Pelosi.... bashing the US. I find it quite amusing. Phuech them ALL!
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How can USA be so blind as to support Soodia, Zenster?
It's the oil. Unfortunately, this world's economy is wholly dependent upon it. Too bad that America's political leadership refuses to understand that tyrannies have no sovereign rights. If they knew this, appropriating Saudi oil reserves in compensation for damages arising from the 9-11 atrocity would be a snap decision.
Yes, this war is about the oil. Terrorism is fueled by petro-dollars and that needs to change. Most ironic of all is that the money we have spent in Afghanistan and Iraq could have funded all the R&D plus a portion of converting over to some other fuel or transportation technology in the USA. It is almost as if being forced to battle Islamic terrorism is specifically designed to distract us from overcoming our dependence upon imported oil.
A Czech charity worker was detained in Chechnya Thursday on fraud charges, local officials said. Hana Demeterova, who was involved in charity projects in Chechnya, was detained by the authorities in the regional capital, Grozny, said Zaindi Mazhidov, an official with the local branch of Russia's Federal Migration Service. Mazhidov said that Demeterova was suspected of fraud, but refused to specify the charges.
Officials at the Czech Embassy in Moscow had no immediate comment. In Prague, Czech Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zuzana Opletalova said it had no information on the detention.
Foreign charity workers in Chechnya have faced repeated harassment by federal and regional authorities, and some foreign charity groups have been barred from working in the war-ravaged region. The Russian authorities have been strongly suspicious of foreign humanitarian activities in the area and angrily rejected Western allegations of rights abuses.
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Remember this when the progressive Left tells you that if it weren't for the war in Iraq, we could be prosecuting the war in Afghanistan better.
MONTREAL - Canadians protested in numerous cities across the country Saturday to call for the return of their soldiers from Afghanistan, local media and protest organizers reported.
The people of Canada grow ever more upset with this war and are calling for our troops to be brought home alive, said Bob Ages of the Canadian Peace Alliance, which organized protests in 22 cities.
Really? Most opinion polls show Canadians support the Harper government's position.
About 300 foolsrubesrusticssimps people demonstrated in Montreal beginning at mid-day, according to Radio Canada. The global movement that erupted around the Iraq war is growing again to challenge the occupation of Afghanistan and the so-called War on Terror, Ages said in a statement.
Canada has a contingent of 2,500 soldiers deployed in southern Afghanistan, and 71 Canadians have died in the country since the mission began in 2002. Prime Minister Stephen Harper recently reiterated his support for the mission up through 2011. But the mission has currently an official expiration date of February 2009.
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I wonder if one of the unspoken motivations for establishing the Iraq front in the WoT was because it had higher potential for a true victory - defining victory as a functioning, civilized non-Islamist state. That would have been realistically thought possible for Iraq in 2002/03, though recognized as a serious challenge (might still be possible, though now recognized as a severe challenge.) Given its history, resources, and location I doubt anyone was ever very optimistic about the long-term potential for Afghanistan. Furthermore, while victory in Afghanistan would be nice to have, victory in Iraq would be devastating to Islamism.
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The great commanders of history showed an ability to pick terrain and force the enemy to fight his [the commander's] battle, to bring to bear the best of his assets against the center of gravity of his opponents, to get into the mind of his opponent to understand his limitations and weaknesses, and in the long run make fewer critical errors than his opponent because the friction of war always dictates mistakes. That's how Iraq is going to be adjudged in fifty years.
While the US could collapse the Taliban in Afghanistan, it could not critically cripple AQ because it was so nebulous that it could fade and reassemble [as it has done]. The military, as a whole, could refight WWII or Saddam, but while parts were there, the establishment as a whole was not prepared for a long haul against AQ. The American political system is no longer capable of supporting a forty year war against the Apache. All these limitations indicate your point Glenmore. Knowing the mind of Ben Laden how could he not refuse to engage us in Iraq? Iraq has been our generation's North Africa and Sicily to get our military, designed and cultured to fight the 'big one' with the Soviets in central Europe, reorganized and realigned to take on threats like AQ. It is also a direct political thrust into the core problem of the ME, no stable democracy other than Israel, to destroy the intentional misdirection of dictators, tyrants, and their religious hand puppets for all the woes of the people. Iraq has been a means, not an end.
There was a program on the Animal Channel that showed the interaction of a pack of hyenas and a pride of lions. A female lion would drop prey. The hyenas would as a pack harass the lioness, distracting her, allowing others of the pack to take the fallen prey. The lioness alone was not strong enough to take on the pack. Then Mr. Lion returned after being out marking his territory and picking up a bit to eat. He sniffed out the matriarch of the pack immediately, chased her down, and in a quick snap of the neck, killed her. That sent the pack into anarchy seeking new hierarchical leadership. Meanwhile, the lionesses were able to get along to find food for the cubs again without interference. We're snapping the neck [center of gravity] of the trouble maker. We just need to add a few, figurative, clueless bambi nature lovers who interfere with nature selection.
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The American political system is no longer capable of supporting a forty year war against the Apache.
Nor was it ever. Read the history carefully, and it sounds an awfully lot like today, except that the military was even more poorly equipped and supplied than today. Much, much, more poorly.
These excerpt should sound familiar - Chapter 3: The Problem of Doctrine. Three special conditions set this mission apart from more orthodox military assignments. First, it pitted the army against an enemy who usually could not be clearly identified and differentiated from kinsmen not disposed at the moment to be enemies. Indians could change with bewildering rapidity from friend to foe to neutral, and rarely could one be confidently distinguished from another...Second, Indian service placed the army in opposition to a people that aroused conflicting emotions... And third, the Indians mission gave the army a foe unconventional both in the techniques and aims of warfare... He fought on his own terms and, except when cornered or when his family was endangered, declined to fight at all unless he enjoyed overwhelming odds...These special conditions of the Indian mission made the U.S. Army not so much a little army as a big police force...for a century the army tried to perform its unconventional mission with conventional organization and methods. The result was an Indian record that contained more failures than successes and a lack of preparedness for conventional war that became painfully evident in 1812, 1846, 1861, and 1898.
Chapter 4. The Army, Congress, and the People. Shermans frontier regulars endured not only the physical isolation of service at remote border posts; increasingly in the postwar years they found themselves isolated in attitudes, interests, and spirit from other institutions of government and society and, indeed from the American people themselves...Reconstruction plunged the army into tempestuous partisan politics. The frontier service removed it largely from physical proximity to population and, except for an occasional Indian conflict, from public awareness and interest. Besides public and congressional indifference and even hostility, the army found its Indian attitudes and policies condemned and opposed by the civilian officials concerned with Indian affairs and by the nations humanitarian community.
The dealings on the Mexican border echo to our experience along the Pak border in Afghanistan. The sad note is how much the contemporary Army has chosen to ignore its first hundred years of experience in nation building, insurgent fighting, and civil military government and concentrate on its legacy of WWII. It's relearning lessons lost.
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Posted by: Procopius2k 2007-10-28 11:59 The sad note is how much the contemporary Army has chosen to ignore its first hundred years of experience in nation building
Firstly, the job of "nation building" is not the responsibility or the mission of the United States military (or did not used to be). As most here are well aware, the armed forces of the United States are subordinate to the civilian leadership, ie, the secretary of the Army, Navy, Air Force and the Commander in Chief. While it has it's downside, we all hope and pray that subordiation to the civilian authority continues. Complicating matters further in undeclared "war(s)" are interferences from the US State Department diplomatic community, and donks in congress who oftentimes buggered things up in the first place and ill-defined, pollyannaisms like "nation building." Believe me when I tell you if the US Army, Air Force and Marine Corps had a free hand to operate OIF/OEF this bullshit would have been over long, long ago. If one goes deer hunting with an accordian, the results are generally quite predictable. In my view and others, recent successes in Iraq have come about as a result of administration frustration, Rumsfeld's departure, and General David Petraeus' bold initiatives to take the fight to the enemy. The career diplomat will seldom worship Athena. He does not seek victory, but rather political compromise. They generally view military successes and the resulting peace as eruptive contradictions, and generally bad for the business. Keeping the honey pot carelessly stirred and slopping is the manna of the diplomat, politician and moneyed bottom feeders of the military industrial complex. The common officer and ranker only want to achieve decisive victory and survive go home to his family to quietly await the next failed diplomtic effort and overseas deployment. His motives are honest, and maybe he's not so common after all.
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I'd agree tat nation-building is not the responsibility of our military. Making the conditions taht will allow others to do so is their responsibility, and they've done an excellent job at that. I also wouldn't like for a "renegade" military to decide that if nation-building is their job, perhaps they should start at home....
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Firstly, the job of "nation building" is not the responsibility or the mission of the United States military (or did not used to be).
I respectfully disagree. Why do you think West Point was founded - just to make officers? It was also to literally provide engineers to build America. Who do you think conducted the survey and exploration of the new territories - wonder why Pike was out looking at that peak? Lewis and Clark were officers. Who do you think surveyed most of the west in the areas people gravitated to? Who provided the structure of government and enforcement in those new territories till the settlers and the like got their act together? Get beyond the rhetoric and look at the record, that's exactly what the Army was doing whether we like it or not. It didn't end on our borders. Who do you think ran Japan after the war, the State Department? I'd say by the judgment of history, someone did a damn decent job.
The problem today with coulda, woulda, shoulda has been apply demonstrated that no other Department in the government has the means or will to do it. Although they'll be more than happy to take the funding. It all looks nice on paper, but the real world has shown clearly, it don't work. Yeah, I know it's messy. That's why the knee jerk reaction to 'define' one's job as narrowly as possible to avoid doing messy jobs. The problem is - guess 'who' gets stuck with the clean anyway.
The Continental Congress created the United States Army on June 14, 1775 The United States Army is primarily responsible for land combat. The US Department of the Army includes the active-duty Army, the Army National Guard, Army Reserve, and civilian employees. The Army maintains combat-ready troops for deployment anywhere in the world as well as providing forces stationed at permanent bases around the world.
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Fantastic thread. Exactly why I like Rantburg so much. I agree with Glenmore and especially like P2k's lion & hyena analogy. Regardless of our military's charter, does anyone really think that we should bother with nation-building after dismantling Iran?
Unilateralism is "in" again at the White House. Yesterday's announcement of far-reaching sanctions against Iran signified that President Bush has given up on multilateral diplomacy with Tehran. He's back to going his own way. The big question, of course, is which way is that? Should yesterday's move be interpreted as an urgent attempt to resolve matters without violence -- or as a buildup to war?
Here's a hint: Underlying yesterday's move is an obvious lack of patience. That bolsters the theory that Bush is determined not to leave the Iranian nuclear issue unresolved when he leaves office. True diplomacy, however, requires patience.
Here's another hint: The Bush administration still refuses to meet with Iranian leaders face to face. True diplomacy requires a willingness to talk. The White House maintains it is still devoted to diplomacy, but we've heard that before. And without patience or dialogue, "diplomacy" isn't really diplomacy -- it's a charade.
so is diplo since 2002 not ensough patience? we've worked in cordination with our nato allies letting them take the forefront on diplomacy -- which has utterly failed -- which the msm has totally ignored.
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And without patience or dialogue, "diplomacy" isn't really diplomacy -- it's a charade.
Very curious, absolutely no mention of how taqiyya makes any pretense of negotiation or diplomacy a complete and total farce. Similary, they fail to note how another Islamic group, the Palestinians, have demonstrated a similar contempt for any and all agreements they have ever inked. So, pray tell, exactly how is anyone supposed to go about exacting some sort of meaningful resolution with these treacherous Islamic bastards?
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W. Bush is not one to dilly-dally, as I think has already been well established. That being said, I suspect whatever plan has long been implemented.
Were I in his shoes, I would direct a highly classified operation designed to utterly fracture Iran at a moment's notice--that would break their will within days.
It is really comparable to Truman's decision to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But in Bush's case, doing it without nuclear weapons. And given these parameters, how is it to be done?
The groundwork must also be laid, in that, selected members of the power structure of Iran, who could force change, have to be told ahead of time that something is going to happen, and unless they comply, it will happen again.
I would consider something like the annihilation of the city of Qom. In one stroke, wiping out a capital of Shiite Islam and destroying the largest power base of the Mullahs in Iran.
But while that would undermine the Mullahs, would it break them?
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I would consider something like the annihilation of the city of Qom.
In the past, my respect for global heritage has always made me shy away from such drastic measures. In light of how the bombing of Tehran cannot be justified, nailing Qom begins to make a lot of sense. It would not only deliver a long overdue payback to Iran but also send an unmistakable message to Saudi Arabia that their holy cities could slip into the crosshairs at some future date. Leveling Qom would be the precise sort of body blow that needs to be dealt to Islam on a regular basis. Islam has shown itself to be of such incredible worthlessness that scrubbing it from history's record books looks more and more like no sort of real loss.
Militants armed with assault rifles and walkie-talkies guard the approach to the stronghold of radical cleric Maulana Fazlullah, whose mission to spread fundamentalist Islam has resulted in the government deploying 2,500 troops to combat the growing extremism in the region.
Going beyond the checkpoint on Saturday, an Associated Press reporter entered a sprawling madrassa that lies beyond state control.
While scores of militants lurked outside the madrassa, the complex near the village of Imam Dheri was largely empty after Fridays fighting when militants traded rocket and gunfire across the river with security forces backed by helicopter gunships. At least three people died in the clashes.
Fragments of rockets and shells that had been fired by security forces were displayed outside the complex, which appeared undamaged. Security forces were still posted on overlooking hilltops.
Fazlullah near: He [Fazlullah] is here and we are in contact, Fazlullahs spokesman, Sirajuddin, told the AP and two local journalists in an interview.
Swat, once famed as a tourist resort, has become embroiled in violence in the past three days. A suicide bomber hit a truck carrying soldiers in the main district town, killing 20, after the government deployed paramilitary troops in the region. When security forces launched their assault, militants retaliated by kidnapping and beheading 13 people elsewhere, accusing them of being American spies.
Badshah Gul Wazir, the top civilian security official in NWFP, described the executions as a militant ploy to terrorise the people.
However, Sirajuddin denied involvement in the bombing and claimed that local villagers sympathetic to the militants had executed the abducted men, who included six security forces personnel. Still, he threatened that militants could resort to those tactics. If a military operation starts against us there will be suicide attacks as well as a guerrilla war, he said.
Sirajuddin laid out Fazlullahs demands: Hostilities would cease if Shariah was adopted and the government released Sufi Muhammad, Fazlullahs father-in-law who was jailed in 2002 for having sent thousands of volunteers to Afghanistan during the US-led invasion in 2001.
As well as marshalling armed militants and enforcing Islamic law, Fazlullah has used his illegal FM radio station to urge schoolgirls to wear burqas and has forced several development organisations to close their offices, accusing them of spreading immorality as they use female staff, residents say.
That has irked authorities, but Sirajuddin said tensions in Swat had risen in the wake of the Pakistani army raid on Lal Masjid in Islamabad. The situation in the whole country, particularly here, has changed because of Lal Masjid, Sirajuddin said. This situation is the reaction to Lal Masjid.
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MQM Chief Altaf Hussain has proposed to Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz and ruling PML Chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain that the government must resolve the controversial issues in Swat and Waziristan through negotiations. Should efforts for a peaceful solution fail, security forces should be more than careful in their actions to the extent that not a single innocent person is killed, he exhorted.
Hussain was talking to them by phone from London when they visited Nine-Zero. The MQM chief recalled that Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and Senator Mushahid Hussain of the PML had held talks with Akbar Bugti in Dera Bugti but that process did not end well. He said repercussions of that operation are felt all over Pakistan.
He said that an insurgency is thwarted in accordance with the law and the government has the authority to do so but the killing of civilians/innocent people strengthens the position of the insurgents. Be careful and deal with it prudently, he said.
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Former prime minister Benazir Bhutto says she will never surrender to militants. What I really need to ask myself is: do I give up, do I let the militants determine the agenda? the Pakistan Peoples Party chairwoman said in an interview with a foreign radio station.
Ive been having a party meeting and, believe me, the spirit amongst the party is one that Im so proud of because they say we cant let the militants dictate to us whats going to happen, and that we have to try and save Pakistan by saving democracy. So my supporters are ready. She said there could be more attacks to come, but she and her party were determined to contest parliamentary elections in January. She said she had been warned that she would be targeted by four militant groups before returning to Pakistan after eight years in self-imposed exile.
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I can't stop laughing over this silly Mortica picture being tagged to this story. Too funny, Fred!
Information Minister Muhammad Ali Durrani said on Saturday the people would not vote for leaders working with a foreign agenda. He told a press conference that the government, despite strong reservations from the Pakistan Muslim League (PML), introduced the National Reconciliation Ordinance to develop a peaceful atmosphere during the polls.
In a thinly veiled criticism of Pakistan Peoples Party Chairwoman Benazir Bhutto, he said that those who were blaming the PML leadership and trying to protect the dictatorship in Pakistan could not become a part of the reconciliation process. He warned life-time chairpersons of political parties that the people would prefer the PMLs prosperous Pakistan agenda to their foreign agenda.
Durrani rejected Benazirs demand that the government allow foreign experts to investigate the Karachi bombing of October 18.
If the PPP didnt change its policies then it would not be able to find candidates nor voters in the polls, he said. Referring to Benazirs statement that terrorists had never attacked PML President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain or Federal Religious Minister Ejazul Haq, he said Benazir should not give a future line of action to terrorists. The people will vote for those leaders who promote the culture of tolerance, he said. The PML and its allies will contest the polls on the basis of their performance, he said.
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Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said on Saturday that the government was using various tactics to delay the general elections, adding that the Swat operation was also an attempt of this organised conspiracy.
According to Geo News, Fazl told reporters in Swabi that the countrys democratic forces would not tolerate any delays in the election. He said the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) would remain intact, adding that the political parties in the MMA would take part in the coming elections from a united platform. He said the countrys youth were being corrupted by the governments faulty policies, which were encouraging them to become extremists, the channel reported.
This article starring:
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Vice Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said on Saturday that despite being in a minority, extremists had the potential to destabilise the economic progress achieved by Pakistan in the last decade. However, he said the Pakistan Army would spare no effort to eradicate extremism with the support of the people of Pakistan.
Our country is facing a significant threat from extremism. Despite being in minority, they have the potential to destabilise our socio-political order and retard economic progress achieved in the last decade, he told the passing out parade of the 116 PMA, 30 Graduate, 35 Integrated Course and second Ladies Integrated Course at the Pakistan Military Academy.
He congratulated the cadets on successfully completing the training, and on grant of commission in the Pakistan Army.
Presently, he said the army is engaged in multi-faceted tasks. As the largest troops-contributing country in the United Nations, it is engaged in service of peace under the UN banner and its performance has been praised globally.
Earlier, he reviewed the parade and awarded the coveted Sword of Honour to Academy Senior Under Officer Muhammad Ahmed, the Presidents Gold Medal to Battalion Senior Under Officer Hassan, Chief of Army Staffs Overseas Gold Medal to Allied Sergeant Abdullah Sharif from the Maldives and Chief of Army Staff Cane to Under Officer Usman.
The Commandants Cane was awarded to Lady Under Officer Mahwash Manzoor and Integrated Course Under Officer Shehryar.
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apparently they'll wipe out extremism by tiring out the militants via cutting off Army personnel heads?
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ISLAMABAD: NWFP Caretaker Chief Minister Shamsul Mulk said on Saturday India or Afghanistan could be supporting the militants who are creating unrest in Swat.The involvement of foreign militants in the prevailing situation in Swat cant be ruled out. India or Afghanistan may be behind such elements, Mulk told a news conference at the Frontier House.He said the security forces would intensify their operation against militants in Swat if the latter did not surrender. He said the military operation in the valley had been launched on the demand of the locals.
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The paks thought stirring up trouble across their borders was fun. Shoe's on the other foot now and it don't feel so good. Awww...
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Except that Mullah Fazlullah' hardly what you'd call a catspaw of the Heathen Hindoo or a capo of the Pandjir Mafia.
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Turkish military planes scoured the Iraqi border for Kurdish camps on Saturday, army sources said, while diplomatic talks in Ankara to avert a major operation into northern Iraq failed. Turkish-Iraqi contacts hit a deadlock on Friday evening after Ankara rejected a series of proposals offered by Iraqi Defense Minister General Abdel Qader Jassim to tackle Kurdish militants as insufficient and taking too long to take effect. Officials told Reuters that no further talks were planned on Saturday and the Iraqi delegation would leave around midday.
Turkey has massed up to 100,000 troops on the frontier before a possible cross-border raid against some 3,000 PKK members using northern Iraq as a base from which to carry out deadly attacks in Turkey. Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan meanwhile played down comments from Turkey's top general that the military was waiting for Erdogan to meet with U.S. President George W. Bush in Washington on Nov. 5 before launching a major incursion. "I don't know what will happen before the American trip," Erdogan said in Istanbul on Friday evening. "We are in a sensitive state all the time."
via One Hand Clapping link is to full pdf report. Chart at the end documents that in October more Paleos were killed by Paleos than IDF
On September 5, 2007, four school principles in Nablus were summoned by the Palestinian General Intelligence and taken with sacks over their heads to Jneid Prison. They were detained until September 13th, when only three of the four principles were released.
On September 14th, three men in a village near Nablus were detained and tortured by the Palestinian General Intelligence. One released detainee claimed that he was severely beaten, blindfolded, bound, and terrorized with sounds of gunfire.
On September 17th, 2007, five teachers were detained at a check point while traveling to school. They were taken to the Military Intelligence Compound in Nablus, and then to Jneid Prison. Three of the teachers were released that night, while two remained imprisoned.
In addition to the violence committed directly against arrested individuals, the families of detained and/or imprisoned Palestinians in the West Bank have also been threatened and physically abused by Fatah security forces. While this category of abuses is not well documented (due to victim fear and desire for anonymity), there have been numerous cases of family abuses.
On August 21st, 2007, during the arrest of his son Mohammad Ali (30) from his home, Ahmad Taher Ahmad Mohsin (92) and several other relatives were beaten while attempting to prevent the arrest. The security forces also riddled the homes interior with gunfire during the operation.
Again, on August 28 2007, members of the Preventive Security Apparatus attacked Fawwaz Hisham Hussein El-Taradas family in their home. Tarada was also tortured during his interrogation on account of his ties with Hamas and the Executive Force.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki on Sunday accused the US and Israel of supporting Kurdish separatists in northern Iraq, but his Turkish counterpart distanced himself from the claim, saying he didn't think Washington was behind the Iraq-based rebels but stressed that Ankara would do what was necessary to stop them.
Mottaki told reporters in Teheran at a news conference with Ali Babacan, Turkey's foreign minister, that "terrorist activities" have increased in northern Iraq since "foreign forces" arrived there.
"From our point of view, efforts by Israel and the US are behind some terrorist activities. Most probably, some secret agreements have caused a lack of confrontation against terrorism," Mottaki said, referring to Iraq-based Kurdish rebels. "We hope this part of the US policy would be corrected," he said.
But Babacan, who was in Iran to lobby for support for the Turkish side in its conflict with the rebel Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, expressed gratitude for Iran's cooperation but did not back Mottaki's accusations against the US and Israel, which are allies of Ankara. "I don't like to think that the US supports a terrorist group," Babacan said.
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Maybe a big fat slap right across Mr. Mottaki's face would help bring him back to his senses.
JERUSALEM - Israeli Foreign Affairs Minister Tzipi Livni leaves for China on Saturday for talks with the government on sanctions against Iran over Teherans controversial nuclear programme, Israeli sources said.
Her meetings in Beijing on Monday and Tuesday will outline potential further UN sanctions which could be taken against Teheran if it fails to halt uranium enrichment. Livnis visit follows trips by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to Russia, France and Britain in a bid to agree a sanctions strategy. Olmert also visited Beijing in January for discussions on Irans nuclear policy.
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Crown Prince Sultan, deputy premier and minister of defense and aviation, yesterday told Iran that making provocative statements against countries in the Gulf region would not serve its interests. It will not be in the interest of Iran to provoke any party, the prince said when asked about Tehrans plan to attack Gulf states in response to a possible US strike on the country.
Speaking to reporters after opening the new Saudi Embassy building in Kuwait, Sultan said Saudi Arabia was not playing host to any foreign forces. Saudi Arabia is not the runway or base of any force in the world, said the crown prince in reply to question whether the Kingdom would allow the US to use military bases in the Gulf to attack Iran.
Sultan reiterated the GCC stand that the three islands Abu Moussa and the Greater and Lesser Tunbs occupied by Iran belonged to the United Arab Emirates.
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Iran Urged Not to Provoke Any Party
Too late, far-far too late.
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The following quote is from the latest incarnation of the notorious "Inshallahshaheed" website, operated by an American Muslim who supports the destruction of America. Scroll down on the link and you can hear an audio from a US Mullah who celebrates the "wrath" from the deity that Islam's false "prophet" concocted to advance his own sexual, political and economic agenda. Did Muslims start the California fires as an act of jihad terror? Dunno.
"As the war on Islaam intensifies through the actions of America, and the more an individual realizes it, then it only becomes more correct to say that Allahs retaliation is upon them for their wickedness which is evident both within the Country and what it exports. So this is indeed from Allah and there is no need to feel sorrow for the Kuffaar because quite simply, they deserve the absolute worst."
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Zenster:
Did you listen to the audiotape? As for that website, they were delisted after the NY Times attacked them. And now someone else took their dirty money. The Islamopunk who runs it needs to be dragged off to jail for terror advocacy and incitement.
About 15 minutes was all I could take of that garbage. No way in hell was I going to spend 75 minutes listening to the whole damn thing. Some winners:
Shaykh Abdullah al-Faisal (hafidhullah) spews on about how these are "The Last Days". Few things are more dangerous than apocalytic religions whose leaders avidly anticipate or attempt to precipitate the Apocalypse's arrival. Ahmadinejad is precisely one of these types and so is Shaykh Abdullah al-Faisal.
This madman carries on about how Gog and Magog will be slain "by small worms in their necks". He then gibbers on about how schizophrenia is due to Allah placing a "shaitan" (devil or satan) in close and inseparable companionship with non-believers. Then he slips in how Allah commands that Muslims should "kill every single kufir on earth".
I don't know where Shaykh Abdullah al-Faisal is but if this turd currently occupies space on American soil, it had damn well better be a jail cell or a coffin. I can only wonder how many other Mosques are ringing with lunatic screeds like the one spewed on the audio transcript. It is so twisted, malformed and demented that Islam poses a simple mental health danger in the form of a total reality disconnect. Typical Muslim cognitive dissonance is as nothing compared to the massive artificial and malignant construct that this madman labors to assemble in front of his audience. Transcripts of this garbage need to be circulated far and wide so people understand exactly what is going on in Mosques.
How about a Blair's Law/Crazy People's Unified Field Theory: Blackwater operatives, acting as instruments of Allah's wrath, set the fires to protest the infidel's failure to address global warming.
Posted by: Mike ||
10/28/2007 8:43 Comments ||
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I found him:
"Coincidentally or not, Brixton is also the former home of Shaykh Abdullah al-Faisal, a Jamaican-born Islamic convert and religious leader now serving a lengthy prison sentence for inciting young Muslims to kill Jews and Hindus."
http://www.globalterroralert.com/archive0705.html
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So if one of our looney tune brothers goes off and does something crazy after reading this crazy bullshit, don't blame us. Inshallah...
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I think they arrested one white, one hispanic (possibly illegal) and shot another guy dead. It's hard to tell with the PC news media
Posted by: Frank G ||
10/28/2007 14:33 Comments ||
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"how about all those wrathful Muslim-killing tsunamis and earthquakes?"
Their turban talking heads will tell them they they haven't been true muslims enough(remember Pakiland quake and Indon tsunami aftermath?) and they'll apparently meekly accept that hole-ly barf. More awaits them.
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Their turban talking heads will tell them they they haven't been true muslims enough
Precisely, Duh! Many's the time I have lamented over how these superstitious lunatics will never interpret such disasters as retribution for terrorism but instead as punishment for not being Islamic enough. It is but one more indicator that Islam must one day immolate itself as it cleanses its ranks down to one last pious flea-bitten illiterate goat herder out in some trackless waste who has been determined to be most holy.
Duh!, you live in the beast's belly. Are you able to confirm that this is the sort of shit being spewed in mosques everywhere? Somehow, I truly doubt that this is an isolated incident. The undercover tapes from Britain and other video of Abu "Hookboy" Hamza showed him blathering on with this exact same sort of reality disconnect.
One neat little feature from the audio recording is where this terrorist imam declares how all supporters of democracy and capitalism are "deviants". Just a reminder that not a single vestige of our modern world is compatible with true Islamic doctrine. Well ... maybe except for all the stuff that's good for killin' people. They seem comfortable enough with that shit.
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Al Qaradawi, e.g.(virtually a sunni pope),was feted by the PM and spoke in in a KL mosque where he spewed out his usual vile stuffs through loud speakers. Even many malay muslims themselves felt embarrassed then on that occassion- this happened about 2-3 yrs ago.
Meantime watch this video by the Perak State grand mufti, especially the last part where he spewed racist hate speech, saying that malays are being bulied by the chinese while the truth is the other way around and for a very long time too. No action has been taken against him although he has already caused peaceful demonstration around a church last year over an SMS message saying(falsely)that a certain prominent malay(i.e., muslim) who was rumored to have converted to christianity was there to baptize other muslims. Sorry, the script to link in this browser is temporarily out. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9zmRMoDt58
This mufti was only quizzed by the police when he put the blame on one of his fanatical female followers for starting the SMS uproar. Very brave guy, you know, as they usually are! Some things don't change around the world. Falsehood and islamo instigation for prominence and power, e.g. But not all malays like such although they are conditioned as sheeps in various degree over religiosity.
Zenster, don't let your usual LLL(loony leftist liberals) idiotize and ruin your world through willfully craven ignorance. Islamization is a creeping and relentless thing because if it stands still, it knows it will collapse under its own mass.
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Correction, the video was not really about that crummy grand mufti but the last part is very incriminating for him. It's quite a well made video too about M'sia today.
Meantime watch this video by the Perak State grand mufti, especially the last part where he spewed racist hate speech, saying that malays are being bullied by the chinese while the truth is the other way around and for a very long time too.
Perak mufti Datuk Seri Harussani Zakaria certainly demands scrutiny and your focus upon him is totally warranted.
... he had said that it was good for Muslims to write Arabic writing in bowls, dissolve the writing in water, and then drink the solution to improve their memory, examination results, cure ills, and so on.
Just one example of this superstitious lout's blather. As you note, Duh!, only at the video's end does the mask slip when Zakaria blames wealthy Hindus and Chinese as the source of inequity in Malaysia.
"Do not disturb Islam, that's all. That's [unworthy?]. If you are trying to disturb Islam, then something will come up.
Interviewer: What cost, what do you think ...
The cost may be racial conflict.
Interviewer: Like 1969?
Maybe. That's why I'm scared. Because we cannot accept all this. Now, the rich ... Now, who's having the rich economy in this country? The Indians and the Chinese. They bully the Malays. That we know ... that I know.
And there you have the usual veiled threats of violence and ethnic cleansing if Muslims are not given preferred treatment. It is small wonder that Malaysia is the new playground for Saudi and other Gulf Muslims. I see little hope that creeping Islamization can be averted. Even Malaysia's Prime Minister spews nonsense about Islam's basis in knowledge giving it power. Bedawi publicly dispenses this sort of shit as truth:
Islam is appreciated and admired by the whole world because it is known for emphasizing knowledge which is an order from Allah. So we are empowered by knowledge and this is what contributes to the development of mankind.
This sort of shit makes Jim Jones' Kool-Aid look like purest spring water. These totalitarian bastards continue to palm off the world's most intolerant and oppressiove ideology as a liberating doctrine. Sick fucks like Abdullah Badawi need to die. They are dragging chunk after chunk of this world into the dark ages.
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Zenster, I don't think Hooky Hamza ever came this way AFAIK.
Thanks TW, hahaha, it hasn't really gone to that stage (yet). If you ppl care to know a little more about M'sia, perhaps these two dissenters' site might be worth visiting : http://www.malaysia-today.net/index.shtml
http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/
The first is run by a malay muslim and a real thorn on the side of the government and the second obviously by an apostate. There is persistent dissent enabled by the Net and the fanatical guys sail against the current. The official side of the picture is founded on propaganda, spins and BS.
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Both sites bookmarked, Duh. Thanks! I didn't think things were dire yet (your tone would be completely different for one thing, as we saw from our correspondents in Saudi Arabia when things got so interesting over there), but I just wanted to get that in there. Mr. Wife took me along to a business group meeting in Kuantan a few years ago. I found the members of the English speakers wives group very interesting.
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