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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Britney's breasts marry... not each other, though...
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 5:32:40 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm waiting for the Honeymoon Video...
Posted by: nada || 09/19/2004 17:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't try to follow the logic. I can't either...

Every time I see ol' Britney's name in the news this image flashes to mind (and I think this is the guy she just married) and this song is not far behind. BTW, I think this is the funniest tune ever. No one has ever quite hit the sweet spot better, IMHO. Just goes to show how sensitive I am - and deeply misunderstood.
8^)
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||


Oktoberfest: It's True Love (Just a pic... and I don't drink, heh)
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 11:36 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I count 10 jugs.
Posted by: crazyhorse || 09/19/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't look at THIS

(Did I tell you not to look at this???)
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/19/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#3  I count six jugs in TGA's picture. Yes, I looked, and thanks for that!

I, unfortunately, missed out on this celebration of life and beer when the Army sent me to Korea instead.
Posted by: nada || 09/19/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Ah, 'tis true love, indeed! I just gotta start drinking, lol!
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Gee, did I already post this link, TGA? If I did, well, who cares, lol? It deserves posting again!

NSFW - but it's Sunday, so that's prolly irrelevant for most...
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#6  If you absolutely had to choose...which would you choose, the woman or the beer?
Posted by: Rafael || 09/19/2004 13:17 Comments || Top||

#7  Uhhhhhh.... I'm thinking......Uhhhhh.....

Jeebuz, why do you ask questions like that Raf?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 09/19/2004 13:22 Comments || Top||

#8  Do we have to answer that question right now, or after we've "sampled" them Raf?
Posted by: Charles || 09/19/2004 13:23 Comments || Top||

#9  based on better head?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/19/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#10  Meanwhile, the Saudi men are soberly admiring goats. Poor fools.
Posted by: Tom || 09/19/2004 13:40 Comments || Top||

#11  I don't see Sharia in Germany just yet :-)
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/19/2004 13:41 Comments || Top||

#12  I've got an anual fest party this weekend to attend. I think I'll try to get the gals to try and get into the spirit. It just may be just the ticket to get Phil's party to rock for once.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/19/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#13  Sigh! Love at first sight. The Beer maid isn't bad looking either. :Þ
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/19/2004 22:09 Comments || Top||


Not again! Bahamas in tropical storm warning
The latest in a series of hurricanes and tropical storms in the Atlantic is heading for the Bahamas. Tropical storm Jeanne is "very near" Great Inagua Island packing winds of 50mph (85km/h) - which are expected to strengthen, forecasters say. Jeanne has killed eight people in the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and forced hundreds to leave their homes. It is unclear if it will hit the US, where operations have begun to assess the deadly impact of Hurricane Ivan.

Forecasters warn that the hurricane season is far from over - even as millions of people are trying to recover from the havoc wreaked in the past five weeks. Up to 33 people are reported to have been killed by Ivan in the US, in addition to about 70 in the Caribbean with Grenada, Jamaica and the Cayman Islands worst hit. At 2100 GMT on Saturday, tropical storm Jeanne was moving at speeds of 7mph (11km/h) - a pace it was expected to maintain in the next 24 hours, the US National Hurricane Center said. "Storm surge flooding of one to three feet (30-90cm) above normal tide levels is possible in the south-eastern Bahamas," the centre said. It said a tropical storm warning remained over a number of areas including the Turks and Caicos Islands. The storm reached the Dominican Republic on Thursday as a hurricane, with winds near 80mph (129km/h), before weakening - and then strengthening again. It had raged through Puerto Rico on Wednesday, bringing up to two feet (60cm) of rain and flooding hundreds of homes.

President George W Bush has cancelled campaigning this weekend to observe relief work in Alabama and Florida. He declared Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana disaster areas as the authorities counted the cost of Hurricane Ivan. Curfews were ordered in the worst-hit areas, while thousands of National Guard members were sent to help with rescue efforts and to curb looting.
HURRICANE IVAN TOLL
USA: Up to 33 killed
Grenada: At least 37 dead
Venezuela: 5 killed
Jamaica: at least 20 killed
Dominican Republic: 4 killed
Cayman Islands: 1 killed
Tobago: 1 killed
Florida already had the status of disaster area after being hit by hurricanes Charley and Frances over the past six weeks. Ivan crashed into the Gulf Coast on Thursday, hitting a swathe of territory from Florida to Louisiana with winds of up to 165mph (265km/h). A series of destructive tornadoes spun off, ripping homes apart and flooding streets. The victims included an eight-year-old girl who died when a tree fell on her house. Electricity remains unavailable in much of the Florida panhandle, because of damage to power lines. In neighbouring Alabama, more than 750,000 homes and businesses are also without power. The Red Cross aims to support 85,000 people over the next six months in Grenada, Jamaica, the Cayman Islands and Cuba.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/19/2004 2:56:13 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yep, definitely the beginning of the 30-year cycle of bad weather. You might want to sell that beach front property before God scrapes it down to the sand.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/19/2004 5:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Take a look at Jeanne's track for Tue through Friday. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics/AT11/refresh/AL1104W5+GIF/190858W5.gif
Ever seen a hurricane do a loop before?
Posted by: GK || 09/19/2004 12:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Sorry 'bout the link. It must drop out when they up date. Try going here:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/
Then click on maps and charts under TS Jeanne.
Then click on 5 day forecast track.
The damn thing has a forecast heading NNE in the Atlantic then turns around and heads due west toward Miami.
Posted by: GK || 09/19/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Ivan could have been much worse though... he could have devastated Havana and New Orleans.

Jeanne sure has a funny track... reminds me of those missiles Wile E Coyote shoots off only to be hit by them.
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/19/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Jeanne's looping around to meet up and merge with Karl in the east. The Jews are behind it, doncha know?
Posted by: nada || 09/19/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||

#6  naahhh, just a woman, what did you expect?
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/19/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||

#7  TGA, you're right. What was I thinking? Tinfoil hat must've fallen off.

In all seriousness, though, Karl's looking pretty big already. That is pretty odd of Jeanne to loop back around, but who knows where she can go? The forecasters were predicting (media hoping?) for Ivan to be the triple hit to mainland Florida. At least we have the technology nowadays to look forward at least a week in advance to warn people of possible tracks.
Posted by: nada || 09/19/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#8  Karl looks big but his track not dangerous... yet you never know.

With Jeanne, who knows..maybe somebody poured some Oktoberfest beer into her eye??
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/19/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#9  What these maps never show are the upper level steering currents, which can - and do - affect even large hurricanes.

There may be maps on NOAA that show them. Maybe I'll check when I have time.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/19/2004 14:43 Comments || Top||

#10  NOAA's a great website. I just don't know enough about meteorology (sp?) to do any independent analysis. That's why they have weathermen, I suppose.
Posted by: nada || 09/19/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#11  Barbara (et al) - Try AccuWeather. For instance, here's the page which shows the current steering (actually the blocking element) elements for Jeanne... and explains to a degree which Jeanne is stalled... Not a bad site.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#12  Please be sell all of your worthless Florida waterfront to me. Big Ship, the man with the dollars. $600 per acre, get me a simple fee and no questions asked, go back home to Jersey and tell 'em how you ripped off a yokel.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/19/2004 19:46 Comments || Top||

#13  Heh... And Ship'll give you a free bottle of Genuine Florida Gator Oil as a parting gift. Don Pardo has the details... Don?
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 19:50 Comments || Top||

#14  Thanks, .com. I'd forgotten about the AccuWeather site.

That's exactly what I was talking about, in a much more consumer-friendly form than NOAA usually has.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/19/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||


Pointless Distractions Chock Full Of Really Deep Meaning
Videos...

Link Rocket-sled test of an F4 hitting a brick wall at 500 MPH...

Link What happens in Western culture when you cut in line... Fair warning...

Link Remote controlled planes... This guy's ready for a Maverick-armed UAV...

Link Obey the signs (subtext: destroy stereotypes)... WARNING: Maybe the most un-PC thing I've ever seen...

Link Buddha vs Shaolin - Silly martial arts scene, done well...

Link Video clip of Jim Carey's classic Vanilla Ice skit from "In Living Color"...

Enuff, I know.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 12:08:28 AM || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Anonymous6540 TROLL || 09/19/2004 0:19 Comments || Top||

#2  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Anonymous6540 TROLL || 09/19/2004 0:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Slow night, .com?
Posted by: Quana || 09/19/2004 0:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Oh, stuff a sock in it, Bore-us.
Posted by: Anonymous6542 || 09/19/2004 0:39 Comments || Top||

#5 
I wish I knew where you were at, I would come for you. And because you are an old man, I would be merciful. NOT!

CiT
Posted by: CiT || 09/19/2004 0:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Quana - Not my show - I'm just trying to contribute and thought some weekend fare was due, heh. Now if I could just lay hands on the fuckwit troll, my night would be sweet & complete.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 0:42 Comments || Top||

#7  Sigh

ignore the pile of crap under the bridge
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/19/2004 0:42 Comments || Top||

#8  Ah, I see. I really enjoyed the subtitles link yesterday (once I got the thing downloaded).
Posted by: Quana || 09/19/2004 0:47 Comments || Top||

#9  Sorry, guys - A6542 was me.

I'm on duty, and forgot my name isn't in the computer here like it is at home.

The jerk can still drop dead.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/19/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#10  Q - Yeah - the people who put that together, though it was a simple idea, really pulled it off; had that BBC snotty snob flavour, no? Lol!
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 0:53 Comments || Top||

#11  It's muchsucko.com's server that is mucho sucko, I couldn't get any of their stuff to load.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/19/2004 1:34 Comments || Top||

#12  AC - Here's a consolation video of a killer whale who's, apparently, tired of the routine - and choreographs one of his own...
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 1:49 Comments || Top||

#13  Thanks .com That was a good one. Trained animal shows have always bothered me for some reason. Must be a closet mucky.
BTW, everyone, bore-ass the lopp-eared troll is the subject of a new poll in WoT futures. Go ye there and vote.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/19/2004 2:20 Comments || Top||

#14  Seems I the SPo'D do not have the hang of that futures thing.. sorry.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/19/2004 2:42 Comments || Top||

#15  I do love a home movie. You can't believe how much the water chemistry changed. Just a little funning.
Posted by: Shamu || 09/19/2004 19:51 Comments || Top||

#16  US air strike targets Falluja

News and Current Events
Posted by: Anonymous6540 || 09/19/2004 0:19 Comments || Top||

#17  US air strike targets Falluja

News and Current Events
Posted by: Anonymous6540 || 09/19/2004 0:19 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Quran recitation competition
MANAMA — The Ninth Holy Quran Memorising and Recitation Competition would be held from September 25 to September 30. About 600 contestants including 10 prisoners are expected to participate. The contest would be held at Ahmed Al-Fateh Islamic Centre under the patronage of His Majesty the King, Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa.
Ooooh! Mom! Take me there!
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 3:25:14 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Do they show that on ESPN2?
Posted by: The Doctor || 09/19/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Lol! This is standard fare on Saudi TV - or was when I was there. They have some youngster doing a recitation on-air everyday, at least one. It's is the Saudi Arabian Idol competition, in its way. Consider the pinnacle, the Frank Sinatra of Saudi Arabia is the guy who does the prime-time howling in Mecca...

On the Bahrani side, I wonder if "King" Khalifa hires the winner to howl prayers on his private island, which you pass (it's on your left) when taking the Causeway in from Saudi. The PM's island is the one on the right. Then, on the other hand, I couldn't care less, lol!
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 16:14 Comments || Top||

#3  "ESPN8 - 'The Ocho' "
Posted by: Frank G || 09/19/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||


US praises Bahrain for religious freedom
Bahrain received a 'pat on back' from the US State Department for religious freedom in the country where people of different religions practise their faiths without interference from the government.
Unlike next door, where they're much holier...
The report stressed that non-Muslims were allowed to maintain their own places of worship and display the symbols of their religion. The American Mission Hospital, which is affiliated with the National Evangelical Church, has operated in the country for more than a century. The church adjacent to the hospital holds weekly services and also serves as a meeting place for other Protestant denominations, the report noted.

The government discourages proselytising by non-Muslims and prohibits anti-Islamic writings. However, Bibles and other Christian publications are displayed and sold openly in local bookstores that also sell Islamic and other religious literature. Religious literature of all branches of Islam, cassettes of sermons delivered by Muslim preachers of other countries and publications of other religions are available. However, a government-controlled proxy server prohibits user access to Internet sites considered to be antigovernment or anti-Islamic, it said. It also pointed out that in 2001 Mar Thoma Syrian Church of Malabar India, which is affiliated with the US Episcopal Church, applied for permission to build its own church building but it had still not received the clearance from the government authorities to begin construction. Members were considering other, less satisfactory, options to obtain or construct a building for their congregation.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 3:14:10 PM || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'd be curious to see where Jews worship in Bahrain.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 09/19/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#2  I Googled Jews and Bahrain and got this and this
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/19/2004 22:17 Comments || Top||


'Women Won't Be Allowed to Run in Civic Poll'
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 2:16:32 PM || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Quelle surprise.

Actually it is a surprise - that anybody thought they might.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/19/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Or thought that it needed to be reported, heh.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#3  "Dr. Abdul Aziz Al-Uwaisheg, a legal analyst, said that under Saudi law, one cannot exclude a category except based on a written text [Which text? And wouldn't they already be aware of that?]. “Excluding a category cannot be done by a committee,” he pointed out. To him, therefore [?], that means that the decision not to include women in the process is not final [does that mean the decision is not VALID because it isn't based on a written text or not final because they haven't found or aren't aware of written texts? Huh? ]. According to the municipal law, the three categories excluded from voting are: military personnel, municipal employees and a newly added category — women. [Oh yeah, newly added? When?] "

Does this paragraph make any sense to anyone? Reading it is like watching a cat chasing its tail.
Posted by: jules 2 || 09/19/2004 16:37 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Colombian Church Proposes Security Zone Without Demilitarization
via AngolaPress-Luanda
The Catholic church of Colombia proposed on Friday the establishment of a security zone "without demilitarization and for an indefinite time" to the guerrillas of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). The cardinal and head of the Colombian Catholic Church, Pedro Rubiano Sanz, said that he disagreed with the establishment of a demilitarization zone as proposed by the FARC, saying that demilitarization is not necessary. Rubiano added that humanitarian actions can be taken in some areas, quoting the case of Cartagena del Chaira, where a security zone was set up without demilitarization and the FARC handed over some 70 Colombian soldiers whom it kidnapped in 1998. A humanitarian agreement between the FARC and the Colombian government might allow the release of 22 politicians, 37 soldiers and three US citizens who have been kept as hostage by the rebel organization in exchange for an undetermined number of guerrillas.

The FARC is the country`s most powerful guerrilla group with up to 20,000 combatants. The government has rejected repeated demands from the FARC to free its jailed members in return for the hostages it held. Colombia has been plagued by a four-decade civil war, in which leftist rebels, far-right paramilitary and governmental troops fight one another, with an average 3,500 people killed every year. About 2,000 people, including 22 foreigners, were kidnapped in Colombia last year alone.
Posted by: Kentucky Beef || 09/19/2004 2:34:20 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Kazakhstan Votes on New Parliament
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 1:48:01 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


China-Japan-Koreas
China Completes Military Power Transfer
Hu Jintao became the undisputed leader of China as the country completed its first orderly transfer of power in the communist era on Sunday with the departure of former President Jiang Zemin from his top military post _ giving a new generation a freer hand to run the world's most populous nation. Jiang, whose term was to have run until 2007, resigned at a meeting of the ruling Communist Party's Central Committee that ended Sunday. Analysts did not expect Jiang's exit to affect Beijing's stance on relations with the United States or Taiwan, economic reform or other key issues. Jiang and Hu are not known to have had any major policy disagreements and both support continued capitalist-style reforms and one-party communist rule. But the consolidation of the top party, government and military posts in Hu's hands will allow him and his premier, Wen Jiabao, to act more decisively as the government copes challenges such as wrenching economic changes and rural poverty.
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 1:37:16 PM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh heck. This is just the bride's corsage on the two little figures on the top of a wedding cake, as far as what when on here is concerned. This event was huge, watershed, and will determine the fate of China and much of the region for the next decade or so. I hope there is a serious follow-up.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/19/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||

#2  A'moose - Got those candid snaps of Hu (who?) ready? This looks to be the time to make your play, lol! Not a dime less than $10Bn, methinks. Remember the RB tip jar when you score, heh.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 14:30 Comments || Top||

#3  The politburo's nearly monolithic front makes it quite difficult to read the tea leaves at the bottom of this shakeup's cup. I'll be doing some investigative research and should be able to blow the lid off off this changing of the guard later tonight.

Jiang has managed to piss off a lot of people, both in the politburo and China's citizenry at large. His ouster may even have some of its roots here in America. This guy has whizzed in the punchbowl one time too many.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/19/2004 22:27 Comments || Top||


Japan Volcano Erupts For Third Day
Mount Asama, one of Japan's largest and most active volcanoes, erupted almost continuously for a third straight day Thursday, spewing molten rocks and gray smoke into the air and setting off more than 1,000 tiny earthquakes. The mountain rumbled throughout the day, propelling red-hot rocks nearly 1,000 feet into the air and sending columns of smoke rose nearly 4,000 feet above the volcanic crater, the Meteorological Agency said. "The small eruptions are nearly continuous," it said. The volcano also rained ash on Karuizawa, a resort town about six miles away. By Thursday evening, the eruptions caused 1,054 tiny tremors, the agency estimated. The Meteorological Agency maintained its activity rating for Mount Asama at 3 on a scale of 5, designating it a small- to medium-sized eruption.
I'm a sucker for the Angry Planet stories. Here's a great photo link to volcanic activity.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 10:59:38 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My wife and I visited Amecameca,Mexico to see "Vocan Popocatepetl" shortly after the eruption of Feb 2001.Been active but quiet since.
Posted by: crazyhorse || 09/19/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||


Europe
Schröder's Social Democrats Suffer Fresh Losses
This is almost not news anymore...
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 4:42:01 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Fringe Parties Gain in German Elections
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 1:39:19 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  These parties will be systematically shunned in the local parliaments... nobody will talk to them, the media will not give them a podium either.
The candidate of the NPD was given the chance of a short statement and erupted in some stupid talk. The journalist yanked the mic from him and told him to shut up and go away.
They will be a nuisance but won't be able to do much harm.
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/19/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||


N Ireland peace talks show little progress
"And faith, Patrick, who'd ever know if we weren't to turn over all the guns like what we're pledging to do now?"
Posted by: Steve White || 09/19/2004 1:06:11 AM || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Anonymous6543 TROLL || 09/19/2004 2:16 Comments || Top||

#2  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Anonymous6543 TROLL || 09/19/2004 2:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Obviously, Boris.
Has it ever occurred to you that if we can subvert entire countries for centuries on end, enslave whole continents, control the media and the internet, re-write history, manipulate currency and trade on a whim, assassinate citizens of democratic countries at will, execute flawless and intricate conspiracies by the dozen, and do all this to people who outnumber us 500 to 1, then perhaps we are smarter than they are and we deserve to rule the world?
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 09/19/2004 2:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Why doi you always post your confused drivel-postings twice, Boris? Got the shakes? FAS?

Here's a tip: no one cares the first time you post. We actually care even less the second time.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/19/2004 8:21 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL Brilliant, AC!
Posted by: Ptah || 09/19/2004 9:36 Comments || Top||

#6  That smells like a Zionist plot.

As Kurt would say, Bore Us smells like teen spirit.
Posted by: badanov || 09/19/2004 9:41 Comments || Top||

#7  As a contributor to another site pointed out, people like Boris claim that:

* Jews are descended from pigs and monkeys.
* Jews rule the world.

Quite bright and accomplished, these 'pigs and monkeys'.
Posted by: Bryan || 09/19/2004 10:01 Comments || Top||

#8  Bryan - Planet of the Apes, lol! Check out Moonbat Central to find out where Boris, et al, go for their MRDA of conspiracium and stupidium. It's the web version of Beyond the Planet of the Apes, lol!
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#9  .com, is it safe to check it out only an hour or so after breakfast?!
Posted by: Bryan || 09/19/2004 10:36 Comments || Top||

#10  Lol! NO. Lol!
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 10:37 Comments || Top||

#11  ...You may not go there, .com - it is in the Forbidden Zone!

Dr Zaius
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 09/19/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#12  That smells like a Zionist plot.

News and Current Events
Posted by: Anonymous6543 || 09/19/2004 2:16 Comments || Top||

#13  That smells like a Zionist plot.

News and Current Events
Posted by: Anonymous6543 || 09/19/2004 2:16 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Kerry Paid $.00 For Boat Registrations?
Posted by: Adam || 09/19/2004 18:27 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What a cheap scumbag.
Posted by: Anonymous6459 || 09/19/2004 19:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Mommy wouldn't pay for them
Posted by: John Fn Kerry || 09/19/2004 19:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't you know that war heroes don't pay for registration.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/19/2004 20:53 Comments || Top||


Smell of Fear: Viacom CEO sells off $12M in Shares Post RatherGate
Posted by: Frank G || 09/19/2004 16:24 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Yes, please, I would like the SEC to crawl all the way up my ass."
Posted by: Matt || 09/19/2004 18:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Lol, Matt! That's a, um, "rather" unique take on the situation, lol! And I love succint phrasing! *bravo*
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 18:53 Comments || Top||

#3  The only thing I can imagine is that the timing of the sale coincided with the expiration of some options. Otherwise, this is a jaw-dropper.
Posted by: Matt || 09/19/2004 18:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Another Martha Stewart case of incredible (Choose one: Good / Bad / Shoot Yourself) timing?
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 18:59 Comments || Top||

#5  I wouldn't get too excited about this. Redstone's worth about $10B. $12M represents 0.1% of his wealth. From al Beeb:

US RICH LIST
Bill Gates: $46bn
Warren Buffett: $36bn
Paul Allen: $22bn
Walton heirs: $20.5bn each
Larry Ellison: $18bn
Michael Dell: $13bn
Steve Ballmer: $12.2bn
Cox heirs: $11bn each
John Kluge: $10.5bn
Mars heirs: $10.4bn each
Sumner Redstone: $9.7bn source: Forbes
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 09/19/2004 20:05 Comments || Top||

#6  ZF, thanks for the info, but I would suggest to you that the "I'm so rich that $12 million is nothing to me" defense doesn't play all that well with juries, or in the court of public opinion..
Posted by: Matt || 09/19/2004 20:32 Comments || Top||

#7  Martha went away for 5 mos for $100K max. Being massively rich doesn't stop them from playing tips hunches on losers
Posted by: Frank G || 09/19/2004 20:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Matt,I read elsewhere the options expired in 2006/7.He still holds a bunch more options.
Posted by: Stephen || 09/19/2004 21:25 Comments || Top||

#9  Much different from the Martha Stewart case. Hers was based on inside information. I'm sure the head of the parent of CBS has absolutely no inside information about a scandal in a major subsidiary that could potentially put that subsidiary at serious financial risk. Nope, no CEO would spend any time keeping track of something like that. Couldn't happen. Impossible. Not a chance. Obviously, lies from right-wing blog sites. Yes, yes, lies and fabrications. Completely unbelievable. Trust me, I know.

P.S. If Dan gets fired, I'd like his job. I have much experience working with the media.
Posted by: Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf || 09/19/2004 22:01 Comments || Top||

#10  Professor Bainbridge (link via Instapundit) suggests there must be an innocent explanation, as does Instapundit.
Posted by: Matt || 09/19/2004 23:49 Comments || Top||


Usenet Rumor seen on one of the military groups
First, this article was found in the UseNet group alt.binaries.pictures.military. Keep in mind that UseNet is full of B.S so, one should take this with a grain of salt. I am only posting it as it raises the question of: "Was Kerry protesting before his discharge from the military?". Does anybody know when he was discharged? This rumor has links that claim to show us but I don't know their accuracy.
Subject: Re: What is Kerry hiding?
From: Willcox
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:22:35 EDT

In article , RalphNader 2004
wrote:


Why does Kerry refuse to sign a Form 180 releasing his military records?
What is he hiding?

Maybe something to do with Jimmy Carter signing that wide sweeping pardon "for draft dodgers" (for "violations of the Military Selective Service Act alleged to have occurred between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973") he signed in 1977 just a year before Kerry got his "honorable discharge" in '78.

This means Kerry was in the reserves during his anti-war activities,even engaging in anti-war protests while in uniform. I know it's illegal to speak out against your own government while on activity duty. What does the law say about the reserves and the "standby reserves"?


Carter's pardon for thousands of individuals in 1977

Kerry's discharged from Naval reserves Feb, 16, 1978

That and other records found here
Posted by: 3dc || 09/19/2004 12:06:31 PM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The question may be did Kerry get an upgrade on his discharge.The other question is was he subject to the UCMJ as an"in-active"reserve officer.
Posted by: crazyhorse || 09/19/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||


Paper Trail - Document Comparison
Posted by: BigEd || 09/19/2004 12:19 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


AlGore says Putin's stronger govt moves understandable
Former U.S. vice president Al Gore said on Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin's moves to strengthen government were understandable and that vesting a president with more powers was usually a provisional measure. Gore told an international forum on St. Petersburg on Russian economic development that the U.S. leadership had taken similar measures in a similar situation.
AlGore will say anything if it counters the Bush White House.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/19/2004 2:47:54 AM || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gore told an international forum on St. Petersburg on Russian economic development that the U.S. leadership had taken similar measures in a similar situation.

Appointed governors? Hmmm - I was delusional when I voted for Arnie here in California last October...
Posted by: BigEd || 09/19/2004 6:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Gore sinks even further into ????. His words prove he's certifiably insane - and mind-numbingly stupid.

This move by Tsar Putty, if successful, I believe will signal the end of the Russian experiment with actual democracy. Putty's blatant powergrab is an obvious return to the farce of Soviet "Republics". The Russian people must be as dumb as dirt to tolerate this transparently leechy little leprechaun. Fools.

Gore should be deported there so he can enjoy the benefits of the system he's apologizing for.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 8:20 Comments || Top||

#3  I'd like to hear from the RBers who once held out hope that Putty would turn out to be a good leader. I'd say he's failed you - miserably. How do you feel about him now? Is there anyone, other than the appropriately anonymous A6391, that still thinks there's any hope for Putty?

I posted, way back when, that I thought that America and Russia might someday become both great allies and great friends - so much complimentary potential there. No longer. Sigh, what could've been...
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 9:00 Comments || Top||

#4  As the resident Russophile I have a few things to say.

There is still some element of democracy left in Russia. There is still a Duma and the plan for appointing governors is dependant on local legislatures approving the choices.

Putin is, uneccesarily in my view, changing the rules of the game for purposes of national security. He doesn't have to make these changes to enhance national security against Islamic terrorists. It seems to be a power play by to be sure. I figure that he came to the conclusion that the only answer to Chechen terror is a return to the KGB-lite, with emphasis on kidnappings and extra judicial killings by security forces being seen as the only way to quell the terrorism in Chehchnya which is spilling over out of Chechnya herself. Unfortunately, he may be right and that is a tragedy given the autocratic nature of the enemy. But, gee, I sure hope he isn't.

I would have figured that declaring martial law along the southern border would have been a much better way to deal with infiltration of Islamic terroorism than this move by Putin.

Unfortunately I must write additional paragraphs given that our resident euroweenie Aris will start crying about how Russians had it coming from the Moose Limbs and how 10 years of war hasn't quelled terrorism in Russia, Russia is a terrorist nation, badanov supports terrorism, etc, you all know the drill iffin' you have read any of his bullsh*t at all.

Understand also that Russia is starting to rearm. This is actually the second year in a row that defense expenditures have increased. The Russian military suspects soemthing is up, and my guess is they expect war soon, but it is difficult to guage against whom. Along with increased military spending comes a lot of the accotrements associated with a more militant society, the secrecy, et al, and this is the stage that Putin is at now.

There is still hope for democracy. This is a mere stumble along the road. Understand, please that Russia until 13 years ago knew nothing of democratic institutions. The Ministry of Defense seems to still be fairly open to reporting and criticism and the Russian press is still critical of the government. The military hasn't drunk the kool-aid, yet.

Now, I haven't read any of what Putin has said about these measures. I would think if he wants to quell fears about a return to a Stalinist-lite society, he would recommend these measures be voted on on a regular basis. But I have heard nothing about this either way.

Just my opinion. I still like kittens and baby ducks.
Posted by: badanov || 09/19/2004 9:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Someone noted that the Russian people faced Beslan (and IMO will face the power grab) with anger -- but also resignation ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 09/19/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#6  I once held out hope that Putin would be a "tolerable" leader (quite a benefit of the doubt, given his past).

Putin's dilemma is a problem I am having a hard timing working through. (Please correct me if I am wrong on any of my statements below.)

Chechnya was forced to be part of the Soviet Union. When the same enforcement happened in the Baltics, the United States refused to recognize those lands as part of the Soviet Union. Now we've got Chechens muddying up the RF territorial waters with terrorist actions, and in a Machiavellan maneuver, adopting the cries for a free Chechnya as a cover for Islamicist aspirations. Putin or no, what a mess.

Edward-it might have been me you're thinking of in terms of Russian resignation. I hadn't referred to Beslan in those terms, but maybe you have an interesting link?
Posted by: jules 2 || 09/19/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#7  The Baltis states 'annexation' was a bald invasion couched in diplomatic language.

Chechen and the Russians have a long and sad history of antagonizism dating back before the Bolshviks.

The issue with Chechenya which sparked the war in 1999 (not the first war in 1994) was that Chechen Islamic terrorists decided to impose Sharia law in Dagestan with the help of Chechen and foreign fighters from Chechnya and Jordan with the ( speculative on my part )funding/blessings of the Saudi Wahhabis. In this fashion, fifteen percent of the population would determine the rules for the other 85 percent. Russian had to act in 1999 to preserve the CIS treaty to which Dagestan was a party.

Apparently a decision was made by the Russian MoD in August that now would be a good time to retake Chechnya, since the artillery/air strike campaign was having a positive efeect on the terrorists.
Posted by: badanov || 09/19/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Dagestan's one of the federal republics of Russia. NOT a member of the CIS treaty, which AFAIK is between twelve now-independent states. (Namely the former Soviet Republics with the exception of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia.)
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 09/19/2004 19:55 Comments || Top||

#9  badanov and Aris-thanks for your input.

Starting point-Beslan took place in Ossetia, "thanks" to Chechen rebels, right?

Did all the federal republics want to "stick with" Russia? How was it decided what the status of federal republics would be?

In terms of a consistent foreign policy, is there a similarity with the seizure of lands by the Soviet Union and the "incorporation" of republics?
Posted by: jules 2 || 09/19/2004 20:08 Comments || Top||

#10  Jules> The old Soviet Uniot was composed of 15 "
So, the whole of Russia was a single "Soviet Republic" --- but in Russia's case it was itself subdivided into "republics", "oblasts" and "krays".

Russia *alone* has internally 21 republics, which used to have higher degrees of autonomy and self-determination than the "oblasts" and the "krays". Each tended to be the home of an ethnic minority. For example, The North Ossetian republic is home to the ethnic Ossetians. The Chechen republic is home to the Chechens, the Ingusetian republic to the Ingush, and so forth.

Dagestan is another such "republic", internal to Russia. In Dagestan's case there's a variety of small ethnicities composing it.

Many of the former "Soviet Republic" had once been parts of Russia, and later removed from Russia to form their own "Soviet Republics". For example Kazakhstan.

Though *all* the Soviet Republic seceded from the Soviet Union, none of Russia's own republics has been allowed to secede from Russia since the end of the Cold War. The Chechens are the only ones who've *really* given it a try though.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 09/19/2004 20:29 Comments || Top||

#11  Ick, my last post's first paragraph was messed up. It meant to say:

The old Soviet Uniot was composed of 15 "Soviet Republics". In the constitution of the old Soviet Union those all had the right to secede from the Soviet Union. (for the duration of the Cold War this "right" was practically meaningless ofcourse). In 1991 this was essentially the legalistic justification for the dissolution of the USSR, so all those 15 formerly Soviet Republics are now independent countries (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and ofcourse Russia)
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 09/19/2004 20:32 Comments || Top||

#12  As a sidenote there are two Ossetias -- North Ossetia is a "republic" of Russia, South Ossetia is a part of Georgia. Now the South Ossetians want to go back to Russia, even as the Chechens want to leave it. Russia encourages the former separatism and discourages the latter.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 09/19/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#13  Starting point-Beslan took place in Ossetia, "thanks" to Chechen rebels, right? Did all the federal republics want to "stick with" Russia?

All the member states of CIS are independant nations, with their own governments, some having armies, some having navies, etc. Consider the CIS as a common market.

Dagestan may well be independant but Russia maintains a military airfield in Kaspiysk, which is in Dagestan, so apparently military cooperation is close between Russia and Dagestan.

How was it decided what the status of federal republics would be?

No idea.

In terms of a consistent foreign policy, is there a similarity with the seizure of lands by the Soviet Union and the "incorporation" of republics?

In terms of foreign policy, Chechnya is part of Russia, always has been, as is North Ossetia, where Beslan is, and Ingushetia.

In term of how the Soviet Union was formed, I have zero idea about that as well, and zero idea on the CIS.

****

The war in Chechnya began in 1994, when Russia attempted to taske the capital of Grozny. A few months later Russia withdrew defeated.

In August 1999, Chechen rebels attempted to seize parts of Dagestan, to the east of Chechnya by imposing Sharia law. That is when Russia invaded Chechnya following a relatively successful artillery/air campaign in Dagetstan.

This second war in Chechnya has been very bloody -- for both sides -- but earlier this year or late last year, the rate of terrorist events dropped dramatically to the point where the MoD considered the war over. Election were held in Chechnya and a new government was elected; and Russia began recruiting local Chechens for a local security force.

The attack in Beslan is hard to wrap around in that its purpose was hard to figure. If we assume the explosions in the gym were accidents and that the Chechen reallty expected to escape alive, this attack was mucked up badly. But if we assume the Chechens never figured on getting out alive, the purpose of the attack is hard for me to figure. If ever there is an event which has turned opinion against the Chechens in general, it is Beslan.
Posted by: badanov || 09/19/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#14  Aris, thank you.

So, if Chechnya is accepted in international terms as part of Russia, does this explain in part Putin's heavy hand? (What if California decided it wanted to break away from the US; what means would we use to keep it in?)

Should we lay aside consideration of Chechnyan independence and focus on the area simply as a hotbed of Islamicist action?

If, by some chance strike of lightning, one of these internal republics was struggling to break free of Russia without using the barbarians' tool of terror, would the rest of the republics try to follow suit, do you think?
Posted by: jules 2 || 09/19/2004 20:47 Comments || Top||

#15  Badanov, once again: Dagestan is not independent. It's a part of Russia. *Russia* is a member of the CIS, neither Dagestan nor Ossetia. In fact CIS has absolutely *nothing* to do with either Dagestan, Ossetia or Chechnya.

Saying "military cooperation is close between Russia and Dagestan" is like saying "military cooperation is close between USA and Utah". No, Utah is a part of the USA, and Dagestan is a part of the Russian federation.

Aris, thank you. So, if Chechnya is accepted in international terms as part of Russia, does this explain in part Putin's heavy hand?

It explain why Chechen independence is not recognized by outsiders, and why Putin can call his attacks "internal affairs" rather than invasion of another nation.

If, by some chance strike of lightning, one of these internal republics was struggling to break free of Russia without using the barbarians' tool of terror, would the rest of the republics try to follow suit, do you think?

I don't really understand your question. Do you think that it's Chechen terrorism that makes the other republics *not* try to follow suit? I'd think that the fear of the Russian response was more important in dissuading them.

Besides, some of these republics are isolated, located deep in Russian territory. Those couldn't be independent nations even if they wanted. See here.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 09/19/2004 21:01 Comments || Top||

#16 
#15 Badanov, once again: Dagestan is not independent. It's a part of Russia. *Russia* is a member of the CIS, neither Dagestan nor Ossetia. In fact CIS has absolutely *nothing* to do with either Dagestan, Ossetia or Chechnya. Saying "military cooperation is close between Russia and Dagestan" is like saying "military cooperation is close between USA and Utah". No, Utah is a part of the USA, and Dagestan is a part of the Russian federation.

I stand corrected. ;o)
Posted by: badanov || 09/19/2004 21:13 Comments || Top||

#17  Just dropping my two cents into the jar here...

This is very reminiscent of the years between Russia's peace with Germany in 1917 and the rise of the USSR in 1922. During this five year interval, the western and southern fringes of the Russian Empire grabbed at independence, but only Finland never looked back (though Poland and the Baltic states enjoyed twenty fleeting years of independence until WW2 and the Cold War). Everyone else -- Belarus, Ukraine, the three Transcaucasus states (individually and collectively as a short-lived federation) and even bits of Siberia like Tuva and the Far Eastern Republic -- all found themselves back under Moscow's rule after a few pathetic weeks, months, or even years of self-rule (which usually amounted to total anarchy, particularly in the horrific Ukrainian civil war).* And even some of those autonomous republics deep inside Russia proper gave it a shot.

I am no admirer of Putin, but I fully understand the rationale behind "the devil you know" when talking about the Caucasus. Suppose the Russian Federation does follow the path of the USSR and fragment into even more nations, particularly in the Caucasus. A belt of "free" states in the North Caucasus would reinvent the African Great Lakes region in the heart of Eurasia. Such a situation would be geopolitically unsustainable; soon, very soon, an outside power would establish authority over the region. The only other options for controlling the region -- besides us -- are all more frightening than Moscow. Maybe Europe in another decade or two, but not yet, and perhaps never (and, as many people here feel, they may be a less-than-desirable option too).

No one here denies that Russia foolishly pushed Chechnya into extremism and terrorism. Be that as it may, Chechen terrorists have allied themselves with America's enemies, making Russia the enemy of our enemy (even if Putin is reluctant to accept this reality himself). We reached a similar understanding with Stalin in the face of an overriding common threat. The "enemy of my enemy" logic, weak as it may be, was valid then, and it is valid now. What's more, the costs of such cooperation are now less. Instead of surrendering half of Europe to Stalin, we need only write off the North Caucasus. Call me uncaring, but I can live with that. If Russia is having trouble securing its own territorial integrity, then the outside world can concentrate on other, more immediate threats for the time being. As we should.

*Two tiny qualifications: Bessarabia -- most of modern Moldova -- rejoined Romania for twenty years until WW2 when it changed hands about 4,000 times and ultimately became a Soviet republic, and Tuva -- in southern Siberia along the Mongolian border -- was grudgingly tolerated as a separate nation until 1940 when it was quietly absorbed by the RSFSR.
Posted by: The Caucasus Nerd || 09/19/2004 21:25 Comments || Top||

#18  Keep in mind folks, (relatively) recent polling showed that 1/3 of the people in the ex-USSR states (and Russia itself) would prefer a return to the Soviet Union, or a union of some type. There are still a lot of people who look upon the old days with fondness. This might give you some perspective into Putin's actions. My guess is that you won't see mass riots in the streets of Moscow as a result of anything that he does.

My advice for those skeptical of Putin, judge him by his foreign policy, his relationship with Europe and the US for instance, and not by what he does or does not do internally. Unfortunately, in mother Russia, it can still get much worse than Putin. Be thankful Zhirinovsky isn't in power :)
Posted by: Rafael || 09/19/2004 22:50 Comments || Top||


Texan to Dan R
(Hat Tip to Captains Quarters)
Y'all know what we all been thinkin' out here in Texas, Dan, since you started all this foolishness? We think y'all been pissin' down our necks an' tellin' us it's rain for so long that you boys done got to believin' it yourselves. Heck, we think maybe you been back East so long you got yourself thinkin' us folks out here couldn't hit sand if we fell off our horses; couldn't hit water if we fell outta the boat. Danged if you ain't been treatin' us like you think we got squirrels swimmin' in our gene pools or sumthin.' You need to remind yourself that a tree don't ever get too big for a short dog to lift his leg on, Dan. ...
RTWT
Posted by: DanNY || 09/19/2004 1:26:53 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Delightful!
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/19/2004 6:17 Comments || Top||

#2  You need to remind yourself that a tree don’t ever get too big for a short dog to lift his leg on, Dan. ...



{Sniff}{Snff}My leg is wet... What's that smell?..
Posted by: BigEd || 09/19/2004 6:30 Comments || Top||

#3  One Rather, one Ranger.
Posted by: Matt || 09/19/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#4  with their stonewalling arogance, I'm no longer satisfied with the firings of Heyward, Rather, and MApes. Public humiliation is a better start and taking the DNC down with them will help, along with the sympathy-delivery-boy, the lying Cleland
Posted by: Frank G || 09/19/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Rather rules the roost over at _BS; my Surprise-o-Meter would go up in smoke if they fired him. 'sides he's leaving in the spring anyway.
Posted by: eLarson || 09/19/2004 11:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Frank - I like BigEd's "stumpy" bit, lol! The emphasis needs to be on the linkages between the MSM and the Dhimmicraps.

As it seems to be playing out, CBS is being given a pass - via the they were "duped" gambit. Only an occasional note that they were the most willing "dupes" in history, if so. And, of course, that they are dumber than dirt for falling for it - and, thus, are utterly unreliable as an information source. It should be a lose-lose for them, but it won't be thanx to their fellow MSM apologists.

When, pray-tell, will various news entities stop saying "alledgedly" fake? Who needs the phreakin' imprimatur of the NYT and WaPo to call a fucking spade a spade? Pfeh.

Same goes the UN, IMHO. This is when "sheeple" comes to mind as a valid term. Lameness is a global phenomenon, methinks.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 11:13 Comments || Top||


OH MY GOD! Bush showed PATRIORISM after Basic training!
A letter by Bush (41) proclaims that Bush (43) was a very proud of the Air Force and looked forward to flight training. Wow! What recruit/draftee didn't exude a little pride in country after finishing basic training? Well except for John Forbes Kerry-D (Vietnam). I know that when I finished I wanted to vanquish ALL who opposed the red, white, and blue. This ought to give the Democrats some great fodder against Bush. Why who would vote for someone who was proud to serve in the Armed Forces? Dead horse STILL getting whipped! in other News Bush still up in NEW See BS Poll! Wonder if the polled real people or just had them fax answers from Kinkos?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 09/19/2004 1:27:26 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The most rabid of the Kerry crowd are still locked into the radical 1960's and are very upset Bush was not a drug taking, hippie, pinko, commie .....like they were, and remain. :)

Vietnam as an issue, how odd, these are the same 'liberals' which would plunge into an uncontrolled protesting rage at the mere mention of Vietnam, but now they can't get enough of Vietnam? Could it be the very real global threats poised by Islamic lunatics are too close to reality?
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/19/2004 2:29 Comments || Top||

#2  That's part of it, I think.

The other part is that for many in my generation, protesting the war / capitalism / the Pigs / whoever ... was their Glory Days, the brief time when they felt their lives were full of promise and meaning and they were going to pull down the Establishment and go Back To the Garden and Peace and Love would reign forever.

When it didn't happen in the first 2 years, they concluded the Fascists had sabotaged the movement and all Power to the People would now have to include armed bank robberies and cop killings.

But the cops shot back.

It's been a slow decline ever since then, except in some academic bastions.

Glory days, you know they'll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days, glory days ...
Posted by: rkb || 09/19/2004 9:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Thats true. Even SKerry still trots out his home movies (reenactments) of his glory days when he caught the winning football pass back in high school when he chased down a teenage (but armed) VC and shot him in the back.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/19/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#4  I know a married couple who have no love left for each other (don't even look at each other when talking) BUT they have recently found a bond in their common, all-consuming hatred of Bush. Nothing else matters, and even their three pre-teen kids are being indoctrinated. The agit-prop woman recently told me that it is Stalin, not the US, whom Europeans should thank for being free and prosperous.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 09/19/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#5  These Bush-haters live in Minnesota. I had to laugh when they told me NOBODY who voted for GORE would EVER vote for BUSH hence KERRY's victory is automatically ASSURED. I tried to smirk, but all I could do was laugh.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 09/19/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Minnesota's still got their share of commies. The overall state, however, is starting to show a reddish tint that I like - pro Republicans
Posted by: Frank G || 09/19/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#7  RKB ..more good points.

Think of this Bush hating illness in this light. The 1960's radical left does not have Dick Nixon to kick around, thus Bush shall do for now.

What are these Bush haters going to enage in when the 2nd Bush terms gets underway? Maybe they will deport themselves to North Korea.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/19/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#8 
Maybe they will deport themselves to North Korea.
I'll chip in for the tickets!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/19/2004 14:45 Comments || Top||

#9  Make these limo liberals pay their own way, for once, one way.. lol
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 09/19/2004 21:14 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Chirac to push for international tax to fight poverty
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/19/2004 03:57 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lol! Looking for a replacement scheme for the Oil for Food Scam, Chirac? Lol!

Oh yeah, I'm there... send my US tax dollars immediately.

Actually, this is far from funny. The disturbing and infuriating aspect of this moronic "proposal" is that the parasites proposing this idiocy will prolly "pass" it, then attempt to extract the tax from dissenting countries, such as the US, in trade policies or other similar measures. In effect, it is extortion on a global scale - and highly likely to be extremely vulnerable to graft.

Almost makes me want to play the isolationist card. Almost.
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#2  I got a nice Chevy S-10 and I can make time for about a week to help the UN load its sh*t onto a freighter bound for Paris.
Posted by: badanov || 09/19/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Does anyone think that France would pay its fair share of such a tax? Or is this their way to get us (US, UK) to pay for their social programs?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/19/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#4  The only proposal I wouldn't object to is the international lottery. Lotteries are voluntary taxes paid by idiots. Perfect. Bwahahahaha! The only problem is there'd be a lot more Soroses stumbling around here-and-there causing chaos. Best to limit pay-outs to $1m.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/19/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Dot com named it-extortion.

The proposal is a repackaging of an old economic Edsel: you are obliged to sacrifice your assets in order for the workers of the world to escape poverty.

Raising charitable funds to help downtrodden peoples is a good act; enforcing wide-spread taxation, in the current anti-American international environment, is at least taxation without consent but also arguably an act of aggression.

No attention is going to be paid to resources and assets of countries, which means that nations' strengths remain untapped and no incentive for internal reform is employed.

Reduction? Give us money (or we will continue to obstruct you in international affairs; we might anyway). Of course, you must realize that we assert our right to ignore corruption as a big factor in world poverty. If your manner is pleasing, we'll consider inviting you to our next soiree.
Posted by: jules 2 || 09/19/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#6  Jacques,
The situation here is really hard.
Please wire some funds.

Votre ami, Yasser.

p.s. Can you give couple million to Suha --- just
to tide her over till the end of the month?
Posted by: Anonymous6092 || 09/19/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#7  We have plenty of good charities in the U.S. that can help the world's poor without the U.N., Kofi's son, and Chirac taking a share.

Chirac had better stop thinking about putting his hand in my pocket or he's going to lose a few fingers. He's obviously a bit doped up from all the greenhouse gas methane he inhales by having his head up his arse.

The Cold War isn't over, it has just shifted from the Soviet communists to the U.N./EU communists. Get these would-be world-dominating central-planning delusions-of-grandeur communists out of New York!
Posted by: Tom || 09/19/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#8  My god i'm stunned and really mad about this - atom bomb those fuckin French fuckwits now , they are part of the jihad against the west
Posted by: Shep UK || 09/19/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#9  P.S. -- 50 billion dollars into 1.2 billion poor people is less than $42 each. And that's if the bureaucrats and their co-conspirators don't get a share. Nuff said.
Posted by: Tom || 09/19/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#10  If Chirac is looking for a good way to get the US to quit the UN and boot it out of NY, then this is a sure fire winner.
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/19/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#11  One can only hope.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 09/19/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#12  And if we won't fork over the money, whose army are you going to send to enforce it, Jackie-baby?

The one you've been using for decades - ours?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

FOAD, ChIraq.

Moron.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/19/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#13  I just thought this was so rich, just like the UN tax the Un would like to impose. Of course you know who would pay the brunt of the Tax.

Message to Kofi and Jacques Stuff it. Isn't it about time Msr. Chirac was arrested for his current and past graft France?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 09/19/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#14  SPo'D - Unfortunately, thanx to the French electorate, he's protected by his office - until 2007. THEN they'll prolly send his ass to jail. Perhaps Sabine Herold will be available...
Posted by: .com || 09/19/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#15  Great idea there, Jack. You go tax them deadbeat "citizen of the world" guys. Let us know how it works out for ya...
Posted by: mojo || 09/19/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#16  Viewing how France directly sponsors Palestinian terrorism, Chirac's ridiculous proposal is just another line or two in the lengthy suicide note that Europe is so rashly composing. Between providing safe haven to terrorists, actively courting a military alliance with communist China and bleeding their collective taxpayers white with lavish social welfare programs, Europe seems to have lost sight of how sane people might find Chirac's idiotic notion downright offensive.

Chirac's plan is nothing more than an open invitation for countries with entrenched corruption and graft to side-step all responsibility for their own reform and suckle at yet another bloated udder of socialist redistribution of wealth.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/19/2004 16:34 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Opposition Predicted to Win in Indonesia
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 1:44:48 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  According to many political analysts Megawati’s last minute alliance with former dictator Suharto’s powerful Golkar party is just a marriage of convenience and is unlikely to save her from electoral defeat. Struck in late August the deal left many voters wondering. Even though it won last April’s parliamentary elections, a cloud of suspicions still hangs over Golkar for alleged violence and corruption.

Megawati's willing alliance with anything to do about Suharto should be her undoing. There needs to be a clean break from the old policies of corruption and graft. That Megawati has shown herself unable to do this disqualifies her from leadership. The Golkar faction needs to be isolated and starved of all official support.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/19/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Megawati running out of juice? Not jolting the current trends? So many good puns . . .
Posted by: The Doctor || 09/19/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Moslem Father Snatches Two Children From Christian Mother
From Compass Direct
Two Pakistani children were snatched away from their Christian mother by their Muslim father on Monday, secretly spirited out of the Lahore court premises where they had been brought for a court-supervised visitation session. Abdul Ghaffar kidnapped his five-year-old son and three-year-old daughter on September 13, fleeing from the Lahore Family Court with them around noontime, shortly after he had begun a two-hour visit alone with them. There has been no trace since of the whereabouts of the children or their father, who is from Gujranwala, 40 miles north of Lahore. "Their mother is very sad and very worried about the children," a Christian lawyer involved in the case told Compass today.

The presiding judge over Ghaffar's child custody case has declared that the abduction constituted contempt of court. He promptly filed criminal charges of kidnapping on behalf of the court against Ghaffar under Section 364 of the penal code. In addition to the kidnapping charge, Judge Khizer Hayat Ghondal of the Lahore Family Court issued a warrant ordering local police officials to produce the two children before his court by next Monday, September 20.

For the children's Christian mother, Maria Samar John, it was the second traumatic kidnapping in her life. Seven years ago, as a teenager of 17, she had been abducted and held prisoner for five months until her Muslim captors literally sold her to Ghaffar for the rupees-equivalent of $2,000. When she was forcibly married to Ghaffar, her name was changed to Kalsoom and she was forced to thumbprint a certificate of so-called "conversion" to Islam. For the next two and one-half years, she was a virtual slave in Ghaffar's home in Gujranwala, locked in the house and beaten by both her husband and mother-in-law for refusing to say the Muslim prayers.

She had borne a son and was pregnant for the second time when she found a mislaid housekey and managed to flee her captors to return home. Soon afterwards, her husband sent men to recapture her. At the same time, her own father and brothers refused to shelter her and the baby, declaring she had shamed their family and was now a Muslim. So in December 2000, the Lahore-based Center for Legal Aid Assistance and Shelter (CLAAS) provided lodging for Maria and her children in a safe-house location. Christian lawyers affiliated with CLAAS successfully won her lawsuit for a legal divorce from her forced marriage in February 2003.

Meanwhile, Ghaffar filed a counter suit to gain custody of his two children, insisting they were Muslims who must not be raised as Christians. Named Hassan Ali and Fatma by their father, the children have been re-named Joshua and Miriam by their mother. Earlier this year, the Lahore Family Court granted visitation rights to Ghaffar for the duration of the custody case, permitting him two-hour private meetings with his children within the court premises twice per month. ...
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 09/19/2004 11:31:03 PM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Earlier this year, the Lahore Family Court granted visitation rights to Ghaffar for the duration of the custody case, permitting him two-hour private meetings with his children within the court premises twice per month.

Apparently, hijinks such as abducting the kids never entered their minds...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 09/20/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Zim: Live bullets used in ZNA show demo
As many as 15 people were injured, two of them possibly dead, after soldiers taking part in this year's Marondera Agricultural Show apparently used live ammunition during their demonstration. Two of the exhibitors and several parents contacted by The Standard yesterday confirmed the tragedy and said it happened around 3PM when soldiers were performing a mock drill involving "enemies". A school teacher, who accompanied school children, said: "I was sitting right at the entrance to the Cold Storage Company stand under a tree, watching the military demonstration. Something exploded and there was a stampede. People were screaming, running in all directions. I saw a man in khaki trousers. He was injured in the legs. We could see his fractured bones. His wife, who was with him, started crying for help. One woman was injured on the chest. Two military ambulances ferried people. A Marondera Hospital ambulance also carried people."

According to the schoolteacher, the soldiers were performing a mock battle and their "enemies" threw a grenade. Two of the soldiers, covered in white cloth, were ferried by an army helicopter. She said: "I'm really scared. Right now I wonder how I managed to escape unharmed," she said after uniting with her husband.

An official at Marondera Hospital, who spoke to The Standard as the injured were being admitted, said they had admitted 10 people with two transferred to Harare because they had sustained serious injuries. He said: "There was a mock battle by soldiers and people were shot. This happened around 3pm. We are admitting people right now. The full details are still unclear." Two of the exhibitors confirmed shooting during the army drill when live ammunition was apparently used triggering off the tragedy. They put the number of the injured at 15. One of the exhibitors said: "It appeared they did not know they were using live ammunition. One of the soldiers ran down to stop them. But already the shooting had unleashed panic, triggering off a stampede."
"The party was just ruined!"
Wonder how anyone ever gets married over there.
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 3:31:48 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Marondera Agricultural Show apparently used live ammunition
Yes it does sound like an Auburn home game.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/19/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Minor Girl Rescued From Clutches of Two Omanis
The Hyderabad police has rescued a teenaged Muslim girl married to a middle-aged Omani national from a hotel in Bombay and arrested two Omani nationals. A police team, which had gone to Bombay on Friday, rescued teenager Praveen after raiding a hotel and arrested the two Omanis. Omer Sayeed and Nasser Hameed Mohanned, both aged about 60, were brought to Hyderabad yesterday along with the girl. Praveen, the daughter of a fruit vendor, was married to 53-year-old Omani national Mahather Hameed Abdullah Al-Ghailani a month ago. Her name was changed to Asiya after marriage. After spending four days in the city, the Omani husband took the girl to Bombay. However, he allegedly deserted her and left for Oman, leaving her in the "care" of others.
In other words, he doinked here, then gave her to his friends to play with...
The police team rushed to Bombay after Praveen informed her neighbors on phone that she was being forced into prostitution at a hotel frequented by Arabs. She told newsmen at the airport that she was around 15 or 16 years old and that her marriage was performed with her consent. "But I was shocked after what they did to me on reaching Bombay," said a weeping Praveen. She said she would never go to Oman. Praveen holds a valid passport issued in 2001. Her date of birth is mentioned as Dec. 10, 1973, but police say the girl is a minor aged between 16 and 17 and not 31 as per the passport. Police seized her passport. She said the bridegroom promised to pay Rs. 5,000 for the marriage but the brokers who had brought the Arab to her parents and promised that the marriage would remove their poverty pocketed the money. Police suspect that the girl's parents forced her into marriage. Police have launched a manhunt for the brokers. She is one of seven daughters of fruit vendor Syed Basheer and Sugra Bee, residents of Bhavaninagar in the Old City. Her two elder sisters were married to Arab nationals two years ago but their whereabouts are not known.
No telling which whorehouses they're in...
The incident has once again brought into sharp focus the serious problem of poor parents marrying off their daughters to rich Arabs. Jafar Hasan Al-Zagrani, 73, of the United Arab Emirates was arrested in May this year after he married 19-year-old Haseena. She had complained to the police that he ditched her after doinking her a few times marriage. Investigations revealed that he had married another girl from the city. Al-Zagrani was recently released after Haseena was persuaded to withdraw the complaint.
That was a process that may have involved money, more likely a couple tough guys calling on her relatives...
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 2:18:33 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "She asked for it! Islam is the religion of peace and tolerance!"
Posted by: nada || 09/19/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
U.S. Soldiers Introduce Baseball to Iraqis
Posted by: Fred || 09/19/2004 1:38:20 PM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How long until 14 year old Iraqies start to dominate the Little League World Series? Can't come soon enough though.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/19/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#2  That's the only thing the GIs failed to introduce in post war Germany: Baseball never caught on... Soccer dominates the field.
The Iraqis are soccer crazy, too... will be interesting to watch.
I think in Japan baseball turned out to be a huge success but there soccer didn't dominate then.
Posted by: True German Ally || 09/19/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Baseball was actually introduced to Japan in the 1870s by an American missionary. The Japanese took it as a form of American martial arts and behaved accordingly.
Posted by: Pete Stanley || 09/19/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#4  The Japanese took it as a form of American martial arts and behaved accordingly.

I've always thought that baseball would be more interesting if the batter could keep (and employ) his bat while running the bases. Of course to be fair the infielders would have to be similarly armed.
Posted by: AzCat || 09/19/2004 16:20 Comments || Top||

#5  I sometimes wonder if it's a good idea to teach Arab children how to throw. It's already a problem when they start hurling rocks but at least now they throw like with terrible form - like John Kerry. If some of them start developing into Pedro Martinez or Ichiro, then our troops are going to have biggr problems.

Seriously though. I don't think baseball competes with Soccer. It's a summer sport and completely different. I think it would compete with Cricket but cricket is not very popular outside of Pakistan and India and a few other former colonial outposts so there's a lot of potential for baseball and I think it would be an excellent game to export.

But maybe I'm wrong because although S. & Central America are all soccer-mad, the baseball playing countries like Panama, Venezuela, Cuba and the Dominican Rep. all suck at soccer.
Posted by: Prince Abdullah || 09/19/2004 17:48 Comments || Top||

#6  So the Iraqi's are going to adopt the Japanese national past time. "As Japanese as sushi at a besoboru game".
Posted by: A Jackson || 09/19/2004 18:25 Comments || Top||

#7  [C]ricket is not very popular outside of Pakistan and India and a few other former colonial outposts...

LOL 'colonial outposts' like Australia and New Zealand, I suppose. And obssessing the whole of South Asia isn't really much. Face it: cricket is BIG. No, I'm not sure why, either.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/19/2004 18:32 Comments || Top||

#8  OK, just how do you explain the infield fly rule in Arabic? And, I assume there's no designated hitter.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 09/19/2004 23:09 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Host Says Rather Criticism Got Him Fired
SEATTLE - A radio talk-show host said Saturday he has been fired for criticizing CBS newsman Dan Rather's handling of challenges to the authenticity of memos about President Bush's National Guard service.

"On the talk show that I host, or hosted, I said I felt Rather should either retire or be forced out over this," said Brian Maloney, whose weekly "The Brian Maloney Show" aired for three years on KIRO-AM Radio, a CBS affiliate here.
Maloney says he made that statement on his Sept. 12 program. He was fired Friday, he said.
"What they have expressed is essentially that my show went in a direction they're not comfortable with," Maloney said.
KIRO Radio's general manager, Ken Berry, did not return a call seeking comment. A staff member at the station said Berry would not comment because it is a personnel matter.
He diss'ed the pope Holy Anchor! This time its personal!
On Wednesday, the network said it would work harder to address concerns about the memos.
Maloney said he had felt free to comment on the controversy and on Rather.
"Freedom of speech? Why that is just public relations BS. You really didn't think we meant it did you?"
"I really felt he was taking the network's credibility down with him," Maloney said in a telephone interview.
"Talk-show hosts have generally had a lot of independence in these kinds of issues," he said. "Nobody's ever said, 'You can't criticize CBS News.'"
Didn't you get the hint when they required you to kiss Rather's Holy thingy Ring?
KIRO Radio is affiliated with CBS but owned by Entercom, a national radio broadcasting company based in Bala Cynwyd, Pa.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 09/19/2004 1:03:24 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  KIRO is trying hard to be the voice of the left in the Seattle market. They are against two conservetive blow torches that feature Rush and Medved and Savage. Lt Suits was a host until he switched to the competition, KVI. Suits was always at odds with the KIRO ponytails.

KIRO has been pushing Homosexual hosts and flamers. Their top host, Dave Ross, is running for congress and still uses his radio show to shrill, at least last I heard. Their competiton had a guy run for Govenor last election and he did the right thing and resigned his mic while campaigning. Not Dave Ross, nope, he's a lefty type so does the dishonorable thing. Dave was up agaist Rush in the morning show so was pretty low on listeners but did okay.

Ross went to Bagdad after the liberation and missed his visit with LT Suits, who, as you know is doing duty. Ross was to afraid to leave the hotel. Totally disgraced himself IMO with his reporting there.

Maloney is a low level personality but he was thoughtful and could get to the point really well. I liked his show when I caught it.

BTW KIRO has been hurting for awhile. They lost the broadcast rights to major league baseball. Their afternoon guy, tries to be a voice of reason but I'm sure he's got to be a little worried now. I'll listen in this week and see what happens.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/19/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Go to their website RIGHT NOW and you can send messages to the on-air staff at KIRO working the Seahawks - Bucs game. Just type in and the message goes thru to the hosts. I've been having plenty of fun with it, heh heh...

http://www.kiro710.com/
Posted by: Chris W. || 09/19/2004 17:50 Comments || Top||

#3  I have an extra room Lucky.
Posted by: Shipman || 09/19/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Sheese Ship, after trying to take a nap around here today, a quite room anywhere sounds great.

The Seahawks almost got jobed again. Happens everytime they go to the east coast.
Posted by: Lucky || 09/19/2004 21:30 Comments || Top||



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