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2023-06-23 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-23 01:42|| || Front Page|| [25 views ] Top

#1 ....Lesseee.....'The End Of The Aircraft Carrier', no...."The End Of The Tank', no...."The End Of Gun-Armed Fighters' - one of MY favorites, but still, no....ah, here we are! 'The End Of Offensive Warfare'!

Mike

Posted by MikeKozlowski 2023-06-23 06:44|| 2023-06-23 06:44|| Front Page Top

#2 I think it's very safe that "the end of bad predictions by Petraeus and his ilk" is still a ways off.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-06-23 07:14|| 2023-06-23 07:14|| Front Page Top

#3 Not Dave's only bad call.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-23 07:21|| 2023-06-23 07:21|| Front Page Top

#4 10-1 kill ratio favoring Russians. Ukrainian hospitals full. No air cover. Russians have communications untouched. Artillery, minefields, dragons teeth, trenchers and well trained and supplied Russian troops. NATO used game simulation to sell this effort to the Ukrainians. Real world behaves differently.

Posted by Dale 2023-06-23 08:23|| 2023-06-23 08:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Breaking the illusion of border sovereignty and defense is expensive.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-06-23 08:43|| 2023-06-23 08:43|| Front Page Top

#6 10-1 kill ratio favoring Russians. You keep saying that but where is your proof? Citing Russian propaganda is less than useless. The real numbers will only come out after the war is over.

Posted by magpie 2023-06-23 09:58|| 2023-06-23 09:58|| Front Page Top

#7 10-1 kill ratio favoring Russians. You keep saying that but where is your proof? Citing Russian propaganda is less than useless. The real numbers will only come out after the war is over.

Not even Russian military correspondents are claiming that kill ratio.

Posted by badanov 2023-06-23 10:19|| 2023-06-23 10:19|| Front Page Top

#8 He talks to people

Posted by Frank G 2023-06-23 10:58|| 2023-06-23 10:58|| Front Page Top

#9 But it's true! I told him myself!

Posted by Ghost of Ukraine 2023-06-23 11:50|| 2023-06-23 11:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Seems that NATO also has its share of parquet generals. They "neglected mine clearing and air defense" and now they're all surprised and butt hurt that the offensive is not going well. Inspires about as much confidence as the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-06-23 12:12|| 2023-06-23 12:12|| Front Page Top

#11 Dale channeling Baghdad Bob?

Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-06-23 12:12|| 2023-06-23 12:12|| Front Page Top

#12 Heaven help us if we ever get into a real war.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-06-23 12:14|| 2023-06-23 12:14|| Front Page Top

#13 Tis not the kill ratio you are looking for, but it is a g-d damn awful lot of bodies. 10-1. 5-1. 2-1. *shrugs* Does the ratio matter? Let's call the ratio a spanking. No matter the ration, you can now rent scooters and bikes to navigate the cemeteries to find your buried loved ones.

Ivano-Frankivsk military cemetery has grown so much that it now offers electric scooters and bicycles for rent.

Posted by mossomo 2023-06-23 12:42|| 2023-06-23 12:42|| Front Page Top

#14 In Lviv they're digging up old graves to make room to bury dead Ukrainian soldiers.

Posted by mossomo 2023-06-23 12:44|| 2023-06-23 12:44|| Front Page Top

#15 Arlington National Cemetery Is Almost Full and May Start Restricting Who Can Be Buried There

Posted by Skidmark 2023-06-23 14:00|| 2023-06-23 14:00|| Front Page Top

#16 Like that guy said, "You can observe a lot just by talking to people."

One of the maddening things about this war is the difficulty of figuring out what exactly is going on. It's like we are putting together a jigsaw puzzle with real pieces, missing pieces and a whole bunch of fake piece all dumped in the box together. Maddening, but part of the game.

Essentially, what we have seen so far is WWI on steroids with one side sitting in their trenches being shelled by the other. My guess is that casualties figures range from roughly equal for both sides to in favor of the Russians by some small integer multiplier. The Russians currently seem more focused on reducing the Ukrainian forces rather than going for territory.

Posted by SteveS 2023-06-23 15:17|| 2023-06-23 15:17|| Front Page Top

#17 I feel we will get to a point where there will be such a critical mass of lies (not just Ukraine, but everything) that gravity itself will cease to function.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-06-23 15:56|| 2023-06-23 15:56|| Front Page Top

#18 If we are at the end of Offensive Warfare, will we still have Inoffensive Warfare?

Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-06-23 16:10|| 2023-06-23 16:10|| Front Page Top

#19 will we still have Inoffensive Warfare?

Now I am offended by that and we are now at war, sir.

Posted by DarthVader 2023-06-23 16:17|| 2023-06-23 16:17|| Front Page Top

#20 Offensive war has gone both upmarket (US way of war) and downscale (use of cheap Chinese drones loaded with explosives).

Posted by Enver Slager8035 2023-06-23 17:21|| 2023-06-23 17:21|| Front Page Top

#21 'Douglas Abbott Macgregor (born January 4, 1947) is a retired U.S. Army colonel and government official, and an author, consultant, and television commentator.' One source but also others but I have found it makes no difference.

Posted by Dale 2023-06-23 19:04|| 2023-06-23 19:04|| Front Page Top

#22 People I talk to aren't buying your BS

Posted by Frank G 2023-06-23 19:10|| 2023-06-23 19:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Many others as well, Alexander Mercouris, Alex Christoforou, Emil Cosman is Romanian living in USA and has colorful way of expressing himself. I should not forget Scot Ritter.

Posted by Dale 2023-06-23 19:21|| 2023-06-23 19:21|| Front Page Top

#24 #22 ^ I would suggest you expand your resource pool.

Posted by Dale 2023-06-23 19:26|| 2023-06-23 19:26|| Front Page Top

#25 Agreed. They're imaginary, just like yours. I will endeavor to do better.

Posted by Frank G 2023-06-23 19:39|| 2023-06-23 19:39|| Front Page Top

#26 I can forget Scott Ritter very, very easily.

Posted by magpie 2023-06-23 20:24|| 2023-06-23 20:24|| Front Page Top

#27 I find reports from both sides unverifiable and self-serving, even if partially true. That said, I don't talk to a lot of people, so my skepticism may just be asshole cynicism. My Mom agrees in a general sense, so I did talk to someone

Posted by Frank G 2023-06-23 20:38|| 2023-06-23 20:38|| Front Page Top

#28 my skepticism may just be asshole cynicism

That is my default position nowadays. Everyone is trying to sell you something. Whether they do it by peddling the whole truth minus some very important details a la the Russians or they go full Ukrainian and just make shit up like the Ghost of Kiev, it is still an information operation. Any news report is less a data dump and more a sales pitch for a time-share condo.

Posted by SteveS 2023-06-23 22:57|| 2023-06-23 22:57|| Front Page Top

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