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2023-01-27 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Europe is trying to erase the memory of the Soviet liberators
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Posted by badanov 2023-01-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ]  Top

#1 They got caught between Hitler and Stalin. That's gotta suck.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-01-27 12:35||   2023-01-27 12:35|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't think kicking out the Germans and keeping it for yourself counts as 'liberation.'
Posted by Angstrom 2023-01-27 13:56||   2023-01-27 13:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Liberated? Like the USSR 'liberated' Prussia and Königsberg?
Posted by magpie 2023-01-27 16:59||   2023-01-27 16:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Hard to even say won in spite of the Soviets; I'm not sure the organizational ability and, uhem, motivation to fight would have been there otherwise.

The Soviets did do the bulk of the fighting and dying vs. The Nazis.

Liberation...ehhhh...maybe there is a translation thing there. I'd have to ask Alexander Dubcek about that.
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-01-27 17:12||   2023-01-27 17:12|| Front Page Top

#5 Soviets started the war as Hitler's allies. He turned on them, so they fought back. Don't overlay any noble motives onto that.
Posted by Angstrom 2023-01-27 18:29||   2023-01-27 18:29|| Front Page Top

#6 I have a pet theory that the Euro aspect main event was German and Russian cultures continuing a centuries long rivalry, each receiving a radicalized government, and they were to duke it out in one last round. Everything else was ancillary.

Not sure what a Nazi occupied Eastern Europe would have looked like (probably like Soviet by with cognac instead of vodka), but we know what a Soviet occupied Eastern Europe was.
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-01-27 18:55||   2023-01-27 18:55|| Front Page Top

#7 Nazi German or Soviet Russia. Talk about a dilemma.
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-01-27 20:22||   2023-01-27 20:22|| Front Page Top

#8 The delimaa is ancient.
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-01-27 21:47||   2023-01-27 21:47|| Front Page Top

#9  Not sure what a Nazi occupied Eastern Europe would have looked like

The Nazi goal was no Jews, gypsies, handicapped, or Slavs of any sort, swksvolFF, making room for the unending stream of Aryan babies popping out of Aryan wombs.

This compares to the Soviet plan of obedient workers in identical apartment blocks as far as the eye can see, with nary a capitalist, petit bourgeoisie, kulak, person of faith, or independent intellectual to speak up against The Party after all those categories had been shipped to the gulags or put up against a wall and shot after a fair show trial.

Posted by trailing wife 2023-01-27 22:37||   2023-01-27 22:37|| Front Page Top

#10 ...they both bad...
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-01-27 22:51||   2023-01-27 22:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Yes.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-01-27 22:59||   2023-01-27 22:59|| Front Page Top

#12 National Socialists or the Union of ... Socialist Republics. Take your pick.
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-01-27 23:43||   2023-01-27 23:43|| Front Page Top

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