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2022-05-04 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
260 sailors are moved off aircraft carrier USS George Washington amid spate of at least seven suicides over 'poor living conditions onboard' as ship's departure from shipyard is delayed by another year
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Posted by Skidmark 2022-05-04 06:20|| || Front Page|| [11137 views ]  Top

#1 most deaths haven't been onboard IIRC?
Posted by Frank G 2022-05-04 07:29||   2022-05-04 07:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Before any 'judge' rules on 'inhumane' prison conditions for convicted criminals, they should have a mandatory tour of how our naval personnel live for extended tours.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-04 07:34||   2022-05-04 07:34|| Front Page Top

#3 ...The USN has pretty much screwed things up beyond belief in this situation. Leaving aside the fact that a priceless strategic asset has been out for action for five years and likely to be out for another:

*The USN steadfastly refused to make any real effort to properly house these guys. Some were sleeping in their cars and others were very concerned about walking through Newport News to get to the yards. (SPOILER: It ain't pretty)
* A lot of these guys are being used solely as glorified firewatch and cleanup crews because of what happened aboard Bon Homme Richard last year.
* Contractors who don't feel like walking a couple hundred feet to the nearest functioning head are urinating and defecating in the passageways.
*Food service aboard the ship ranges from spotty to nonexistent.
*Crew billeted aboard ship are essentially living in a 24/7 construction zone, with all the safety and quality of life issues that go with that.
*The CINC Atlantic Fleet - the man who owns the damned ship - lives and works less than five miles away. Where the hell is HE?
*USN sent the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy to talk to the crew, and he stepped in it even worse, telling the crew that "they could be sleeping in foxholes" and telling the crew in so many words to suck it up.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2022-05-04 10:26||   2022-05-04 10:26|| Front Page Top

#4 ^ To me this is part and parcel with the running rust I see in every photo of a USN surface ship, and with the bigger disasters (McCain, Fitzgerald, BHR).

Posted by Matt 2022-05-04 10:39||   2022-05-04 10:39|| Front Page Top

#5 Ref #3: Warrants a Department of Defense Inspector General investigation. SECDEF Austin, get off your arse.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-05-04 11:07||   2022-05-04 11:07|| Front Page Top

#6 i would have refused the vax to get out of there.
Posted by Chris 2022-05-04 12:01||   2022-05-04 12:01|| Front Page Top

#7 Usually carriers have better crew accommodations than smaller ships. It blows my mind that crew are probably serving whole enlistments without getting underway. I am not sure how they will have any qualified people remaining to do anything once the ship is finally ready. They might have to get towed to Whiskey anchorage and do a full six month deployment there to get trained enough to drive out to the Vacapes.
Posted by Super Hose 2022-05-04 12:40||   2022-05-04 12:40|| Front Page Top

#8 Bad Luck Commands and Duty Stations require a new broom and measured command focus to recreate morale and pride in the unit. It sounds like the existing command staff became indifferent and went ROAD.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-05-04 13:48||   2022-05-04 13:48|| Front Page Top

#9 This lifelong civilian had to look up ROAD. I'm sure this list is not comprehensive, but it did answer that one for me.

I provide the link for others like myself who prefer to understand the conversation instead of just skipping over the terms we don't know.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-04 13:52||   2022-05-04 13:52|| Front Page Top

#10 Thank you MM. I would have gone to the www and probably still be looking.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-05-04 14:33||   2022-05-04 14:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Sorry, forgot its old school and arcane! My apologies.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-05-04 14:55||   2022-05-04 14:55|| Front Page Top

#12 ^ I learn by being exposed to what I do not know. Don't apologize, just carry on!
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-04 14:59||   2022-05-04 14:59|| Front Page Top

#13 If you are having your house remodeled you would not allow hammering, sawing, etc going on 24 hours a day because you need sleep. And your neighbors would call the cops on you as well.
Posted by Bugs McGurque4586 2022-05-04 18:56||   2022-05-04 18:56|| Front Page Top

#14 ROAD - retired on active duty
REMF - rear echelon motherf*
updated to
FOBIT - forward operating base hobbit
LIFER - lazy inefficient f*up expecting retirement
FIGMO - f*it I got my orders
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-04 20:07||   2022-05-04 20:07|| Front Page Top

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