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2022-03-23 India-Pakistan
‘A Defining Moment for India’: India is siding with Russia and China, Distancing itself from the US and Europe
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Posted by Chirong Glaque6204 2022-03-23 11:35|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ]  Top

#1 Pure (biased) opinion (marxist) piece. Not really news or reliable source.

From "About the author" my late father who was a prolific writer, author, and Marxist intellectual and thinker who introduced me at a young age to dialectics as a matchless intellectual tool to analyse the material world and decode politics. ... half of the 3 decades of my diplomatic career was devoted to assignments on the territories of the former Soviet Union and to Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.
Posted by Chealing Chomotle4158 2022-03-23 13:48||   2022-03-23 13:48|| Front Page Top

#2 Conservative PM Modi and the Indian business community share the view that India should not side with the US and should increase, not cut off, trade with Russia. The Indian government just announced they'll import another 3 million bbl of oil from Russia: Russian oil sale to India complicates Biden's efforts

They're also purchasing Russian air defense systems in defiance of US sanctions. No one in India supports the HS on this issue that is all about India's independence and freedom of maneuver
Posted by Black Charlie Gliger6974 2022-03-23 14:01||   2022-03-23 14:01|| Front Page Top

#3 If they are buying Russian military equipment at this point they are stupid. Russia will cancel shipment if they need that equipment themselves and currently most Russian equipment hasn't been living up to the marketing prose.
Posted by ruprecht 2022-03-23 15:10||   2022-03-23 15:10|| Front Page Top

#4 India is in a weird political position. They have always been very friendly with Russia and bought a lot of their military gear from them and developed a hypersonic missile with them.

But they hate the Chinese.

So they will most likely straddle the line. Soft/friendly with Russia and help an anti-China push in the pacific and south China sea.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-03-23 15:25||   2022-03-23 15:25|| Front Page Top

#5 So they will most likely straddle the line. Soft/friendly with Russia and help an anti-China push in the pacific and south China sea.

I've yet to see a single overseas Indian deployment that involved combat. My feeling is that India will play along while contributing nothing when push comes to shove. I can't get too worked up about this, though. It's the same game they played with the Russians during the Cold War. If the Chinese ever come calling on India's borders, we should certainly supply them with the equipment they need. But via loans, not grants.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2022-03-23 18:00||   2022-03-23 18:00|| Front Page Top

#6 India and China plus the rest of the nonaligned and pro-Russia nonwestern world will make the sanctions toothless. Russia's markets currency and economy are already starting to show signs they can brush off the sanctions. When 80% of the world's markets for your stuff are on your side, economic sanctions are just a paper tiger.
Posted by Unereger Grundy5350 2022-03-23 18:19||   2022-03-23 18:19|| Front Page Top

#7  India and China plus the rest of the nonaligned and pro-Russia nonwestern world will make the sanctions toothless.

How did that work with the Soviets?
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-03-23 18:55||   2022-03-23 18:55|| Front Page Top

#8 I dunno. I want to say the Soviets didn't have Joe Biden, but they probably did....

Hmm. Rephrasing:

The Soviets back then didn't have _President_ Joe Biden, talking out of all four sides of his mouth on both his faces, keeping his foot on the neck of the American energy industry while talking about how he's going to sanction Russia and help Yukraine. They do now.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-03-23 19:05||   2022-03-23 19:05|| Front Page Top

#9 Putin and Biden? Forgive the analogy, but this is Garry Kasparov playing chess with Porch Boy.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-03-23 19:18||   2022-03-23 19:18|| Front Page Top

#10 BTW, ZF, I've enjoyed your recent posts over at Free Republic. It saves me from having to go to twitter, which is venal as well as difficult for me to read these days.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-03-23 19:19||   2022-03-23 19:19|| Front Page Top

#11 India is in a weirdan enviable political position.

India is the belle of the ball, courted by both sides.

Putin wants India to continue busting the sanctions, buying millions of barrels of oil and Russian arms. Biden desperately wants India to join in the sanctions but needs Indua's support vs China as part of the Quad and cannot pressure India in any meaningful way.

And India and China have started to repair relations. Each senses what the Biden doofuses can't grasp: this is China and India's moment, one of the great turning points in modern history. An inflection point: their time to rise, as the West begins a swift decline.
Posted by Snakes Protector of the Visigoths5636 2022-03-23 19:29||   2022-03-23 19:29|| Front Page Top

#12 Each senses what the Biden doofuses can't grasp: this is China and India's moment, one of the great turning points in modern history. An inflection point: their time to rise, as the West begins a swift decline.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2022-03-23 19:59||   2022-03-23 19:59|| Front Page Top

#13 Until I see otherwise, I am in agreement with Zhang Fei about India.

I would expect an anti-China move that benefits India alone with little risk.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-03-23 20:31||   2022-03-23 20:31|| Front Page Top

#14 Fu@k India. One popular commenter here openly states they hate the US. They just hate politely. Next time China wants a piece of India I say let them have it.
Dron####, you know who you are.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-03-23 22:22||   2022-03-23 22:22|| Front Page Top

#15 This is more American ignorance and wishful thinking on display. Indians deeply resent America for siding with Pakistan for decades during the Cold War. At the same time the Indians have a large reservoir of goodwill toward Russia.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-03-23 22:29||   2022-03-23 22:29|| Front Page Top

#16 The US didn't side with the Paks. Only tolerated. In the meantime India did nothing in Afgan. They still purchased Soviet/Russian arms thereby earning the lack of US trust. If India was worth a shit the US would not have been in Afgan.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-03-23 22:36||   2022-03-23 22:36|| Front Page Top

#17 Ignorance and wishful thinking my ass.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-03-23 22:37||   2022-03-23 22:37|| Front Page Top

#18 India’s Response to the Ukraine Crisis Is a Wake-up Call for the US
Rather than hand-wringing over India’s reliability, it’s time for Washington to face up to the facts: The U.S. has a serious image problem in India.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-03-23 22:42||   2022-03-23 22:42|| Front Page Top

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