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2022-03-01 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Pro-war Democrats: their allies vs. their enemies
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Posted by Omomolet Phutch9064 2022-03-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ]  Top

#1 The real Nazis would have recoiled in disgust from Slavs using their name.

Bzzt wrong. May I introduce you to the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician).

"Ukrainian military formation in the German armed forces during the Second World War. The division was organized as part of a program of creating foreign (eg, Estonian, Latvian) formations of the Waffen SS to fight on the Soviet front."

The Ukrainian Nazis that we are fighting supporting today are their direct descendants.

I'm more than a little surprised that people on this site aren't aware of the Ukrainian Nazis and the Maidan coup in 2014, when a neutral Ukraine government was overthrown and replaced with a Nazi-friendly one. And ashamed at the Nazi denialism despite copious evidence in photo, video and the Nazis' and Ukrainian government's own words. The rest of the world was loud with outrage that a supposedly democratic government would allow and encourage such vile and odious people in its ranks. It wasn't a secret.
Posted by Omomolet Phutch9064 2022-03-01 00:27||   2022-03-01 00:27|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm more than a little surprised that people on this site aren't aware of the Ukrainian Nazis and the Maidan coup in 2014, when a neutral Ukraine government was overthrown and replaced with a Nazi-friendly one.

It is routinely overlooked in this and many, many other forums.
Posted by badanov 2022-03-01 00:38||   2022-03-01 00:38|| Front Page Top

#3  Bzzt wrong. May I introduce you to the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician).

The Nazis were perfectly happy to make use of volunteer Untermenschen in the short term, especially to hunt sown their own people or be ground up as cannon fodder on the Eastern Front. They had no objection to using the man who now calls himself George Soros, too. But their Thousand Year Reich was a proof-of-concept program for breeding purebred Aryans, so even their pet Slavs were slated to be culled.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-01 01:36||   2022-03-01 01:36|| Front Page Top

#4 These days, everybody is somebody's Nazi.
Posted by Cthulhu of Ryleh 2022-03-01 01:57||   2022-03-01 01:57|| Front Page Top

#5 hunt down. PIMF!!
Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-01 02:02||   2022-03-01 02:02|| Front Page Top

#6 Open Society Supports Kiev and EU hopeful Zelensky.
Posted by Cthulhu of Ryleh 2022-03-01 02:24||   2022-03-01 02:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Open Society : Soros
Posted by Xyz 2022-03-01 04:18||   2022-03-01 04:18|| Front Page Top

#8 How Sõrōs' ANTAC used Ukraine to target Trump, later replaced judges and officials in UKR with handpicked flunkies for the globalists in the name of weeding out corruption.

Open Society backed the Euromaidan to lock in their choice of 'leader'. And they will keep him motivated as he leads innocent people into slaughter.

I agree with her.

Choose not to read the links, stay in denial whatever.
Posted by Cthulhu of Ryleh 2022-03-01 04:44||   2022-03-01 04:44|| Front Page Top

#9 Zelensky a Soros puppet.
Posted by Cthulhu of Ryleh 2022-03-01 04:48||   2022-03-01 04:48|| Front Page Top

#10 No, dear heart, they’re still not actual Nazis. They’re white supremacists trying to shock the normies by playing dress-up — most of them will outgrow their vicious nonsense when they settle down and have families to support. There have been no actual Nazis (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP) since the remnants of Hitler’s empire fled in disarray after Germany surrendered. A few went into service with Arab Socialist dictators, and there were a few small irredentist communities deep in various South American jungles, but even they gave up hope of reestablishing the Third German Reich. The real Nazis would have recoiled in disgust from Slavs using their name.

Ma'am,

Absolutely perfectly and concisely put. My compliments.

I'd like to add one thing if I might - if any of the liberals who scream 'Nazi' at the slightest provocation, or for that matter the pathetic children who call themselves that were to EVER meet a real-live, honest-to-Adolf 1930s Stormtrooper or 1943-era Einsatzgruppen team leader they'd soil themselves and run away in stark, screaming terror.

They have no idea what these men and women were really like, and their playacting just makes it that much easier for the real thing to hide itself while it waits for another shot at Der Tag.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2022-03-01 07:01||   2022-03-01 07:01|| Front Page Top

#11 What is with this bizarre Nazi denialism? They are posing with the swastika and the NATO flags simultaneously. How much clearer can it get? These vile people are part of the official Ukraine armed forces. We should be fighting them, not giving them arms.
Posted by Omomolet Phutch9064 2022-03-01 07:14||   2022-03-01 07:14|| Front Page Top

#12 They're play Nazis. Never will be the real thing. Nifty outfits and flags. Their appeal is tribal. It's like our violent motor cycle gangs in America or a cartel in Mexico. You want to conflate something that was a large political movement in the 20s-40s with a bunch of wannabes.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-03-01 07:34||   2022-03-01 07:34|| Front Page Top

#13 ^ They're only Nazis when they muck up things in America, attack cops, hold cities to ransom, heckle republicans that sort of thing.
Posted by Cthulhu of Ryleh 2022-03-01 07:37||   2022-03-01 07:37|| Front Page Top

#14 BTW, the word 'Nazi' is used in America like the other old 'N' word, a pejorative not associated with any specific political or institutional organization. It long ago lost its association with its origin. That was helped by decades of academia that spent its time trying desperately to separate the 'Socialist' portion of the movement from it originators.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-03-01 07:58||   2022-03-01 07:58|| Front Page Top

#15 Any Ukrainian affinity for Naziism came from them believing they were being liberated from the genocide of the Russian rulers of the Soviet Union. Most Ukrainians realized the Nazis were just as bad and fought them, too.

The ones waving that flag today do so SPECIFICALLY to annoy the Russians.

Reportedly some of the Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine sporting Soviet flags -- and that regime murdered more of its own people than the Nazis did.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-03-01 08:08||   2022-03-01 08:08|| Front Page Top

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Posted by M. Murcek 2022-03-01 08:08||   2022-03-01 08:08|| Front Page Top

#17 
But then again given the history of the USSR Pravda media machine and fake/twisted news.

Who is to say 100% this Nazi photo wasn't generated by Pravda?

or that these 15 are nothing more than the 15 seen?

Posted by NN2N1 2022-03-01 08:12||   2022-03-01 08:12|| Front Page Top

#18 #10 Extremely well put, both times.
Posted by Cesare 2022-03-01 08:15||   2022-03-01 08:15|| Front Page Top

#19 Can't speak to the link above because I got a 404 and the image was busted but...

I think I saw a picture long ago of a US Tank in Vietnam that had a Nazi flag. The assumption at the time was that they were being ironic or trying to terrify the enemy, not that they believed in National Socialism or White Supremecy.
Posted by ruprecht 2022-03-01 10:27||   2022-03-01 10:27|| Front Page Top

#20 ..although the usual race mongers here try to portray the flying of the stars and bars as racist white supremacist act more than anything it a middle raise finger at the establishment.
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-03-01 10:30||   2022-03-01 10:30|| Front Page Top

#21 What I know is that the same people who have been wrong and lying about it for the last two years were auto on-board and virtue signalling getting actively involved only after the invasion, and if I noticed them being wrong, and lying, I was a flat earth Science! denier, where now, even people who saw through the protocols of Covid, are wanting me on-board and if I'm not 110% in I'm a Russian agent History! denier. All I know is they have been nipping at each other since Obama pretended it away, and I'm glad I read Michener's book Poland.

So I'm going back to my shade tree, and hoping the war propaganda hook isn't so set that polls and focus group rating tempt the politicians into a stupid decision for twitter likes and budget increases, or air cover for Turdo-style authoritarianism. And watching the neo-cons line up and lecture about invasions being bad puts the taste of a cup holder penny in my mouth especially after the flag-officers on high sent a specific general to Kabul for photo ops and lies in the most well documented botched withdrawal in history.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-03-01 11:06||   2022-03-01 11:06|| Front Page Top

#22 I think it is stupid to fingerpoint about ideology previous to last Tuesday. Nobody expected Putin to generally attack because it wasn't rational and it wasn't well planned out. He did a terrible job presenting his side, even though he was guaranteed some of the west siding with him. It's a brand new ball game.

If I was Xi, at the right time, I would come in whole heartedly against Putin and his stooges and declare total support for Ukraine.

China joining Europe on this would topple Putin. Then they could support a re-emergence of some form of the Communist Party and could install their own puppets in Moscow.

Lots of Chinese Lebensraum in Siberia.
Posted by Penguin_of_the_Desert 2022-03-01 11:58||   2022-03-01 11:58|| Front Page Top

#23 My understanding is that Ukrainians turned Nazi in WWII because of the things that Joe Stalin did to them in the 1930's. They thought Hitler would treat them better than Stalin. Must be tough if you have to choose between those two. If Stalin hadn't made war on them they probably would have remained loyal to Russia. One thing I cannot see is that rag tag bunch of misfits in the graphic presenting any serious threat to Russia. Let them dress up and run around in the woods once a month and drink vodka afterwards. Then they'll get tired and go home.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-03-01 12:58||   2022-03-01 12:58|| Front Page Top

#24 Except that now they're all pissed off again and thinking that Putin is the second coming of Stalin. Bad mistake, Vlad.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-03-01 13:01||   2022-03-01 13:01|| Front Page Top

#25 Not surprising. Even the Dutch had a Waffen SS unit, part of the Wiking Division, I think.
Posted by Mercutio 2022-03-01 15:29||   2022-03-01 15:29|| Front Page Top

#26 The Serious People:
Anyone remotely supporting the War on Terror is a bigot because there was a story that possibly a Koran may of been desecrated, but greasing bullets in pig fat to fight Chechyans is totally cool because they are fighting for the real oppressed, and that is the Ukrainian Transvestite Community.

Remake of Team America is absolute bunkum, except for the cameo of Fauci in the audience for Lease.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-03-01 15:29||   2022-03-01 15:29|| Front Page Top

#27 There were lots of other Europeans (including ethnic Russians) that fought for the Nazis.

Check out Freiwillige.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2022-03-01 16:00||   2022-03-01 16:00|| Front Page Top

#28 More on support for anti-Semitic Ukrainian groups, including C14 and other political parties represented in the government and openly supported and cheered on by US politicians such as John McCain

Ukraine's Far Right Is Growing Increasingly Violent - Why Aren't Local Jews Concerned?

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-ukraine-s-far-right-is-increasingly-violent-why-aren-t-local-jews-concerned-1.6852878
Posted by Glens Bonaparte4684 2022-03-01 17:24||   2022-03-01 17:24|| Front Page Top

#29 1. It’s Ha’aretz, proudly left over from when Israel was a labour socialist country, now catering to the 5% of the population that hasn’t moved to the right. They probably earn more selling articles to the New York Times and other Progressive news outlets than they do selling subscriptions at home.

2. It’s from 2018. Possibly the Jews somehow knew that in only a year one of their own would be elected president of the Ukraine.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-01 21:51||   2022-03-01 21:51|| Front Page Top

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