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2021-10-08 Home Front: WoT

An ~~important and long-overdue~~ debate has occurred between Iraq-raping arch-neocon Bill Kristol and the tireless libertarian war critic Scott Horton about of US interventionism

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Posted by Omomolet Phutch9064 2021-10-08 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10 views ] Top

#1 No.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-10-08 00:56|| 2021-10-08 00:56|| Front Page Top

#2 Both of these people are fools, and are full of confidence about their totally biased opinions. afghanistan, like many African countries, consisted for many centuries as collection of self governing tribes, with a loose general government. This kind of structure lasted for centuries, because the people were reasonably happy with it. The enjoyed their festivals and celebrations as well as their life styles, though by modern standards they mostly lived in poverty. The good thing about it was it was stable,. The bad thing about it to Western eyes was that it wast too stable., and did not allow progress and prosperity.
The trouble with Western attempts to change these things, (which includes the Russian attempts) have been both arrogant and inept at all levels. They have led to much more harm to the citizens than help.
neither seems to realize that pure democracy is not the American system and does not work at all in a tribal society especially when there is a dominant tribe. It exists nowhere. Giving power to a new elite corrupts it and corruption at the top leads to corruption that spreads throughout the society and the corruption of the Clintons and Biden is doing the same thing to us now.
Scott Horton seems to believe Russian propaganda completely. His knowledge of history is weak, while Kristol is senile.
The two parts of Ukraine have very different histories and many in the East speak Russian; they sometimes behave like different tribes, Rivaly between their leaders is no surprise. Ihe present elected leader of Ukraine a Jew but to Horton it is a den of Nazis.
Have either wondered how the two most violent countries in the 1940s became the two most peaceful and humble people ever since?
The traditional views of the first world war are all wrong. a ccording to the latest theories. It was the German General Staff that forced the war on everyone.
And do yo know why? Because it knew that it had a fantastic advantage over the Russians that could disappear at any moment.
And do you know what it was?
The Russians, in modernizing their army had adopted use of the radio, a relatively knew invention, and made all of its communications through radio signals. In their innocence about it, they neglected to encode their messages, and the Germans were able to hear them all,. They knew exactky where all Russian forces were and where they were going. That information mmmadeit possible for them to disrupt all Russian plans and to attack the Russian armies at exactly where they could not resist. The battles of Tannenberg and the MAsurian Lakes, and all other battles between them were easy German victories. because of this advantage. And the German general staff feared that the Russians at any moment could remedy their blunder.
The war in the West took place entirely in France and Belgium, and left Germany untouched. Not only that, the Germans lost their allies, Bulgaria, Turkey and Austria Hungary before the American offensive in the Argonne began.
They were trying to arrange peace then. Wilson was actually pro-German. and his 14 points were created in Germany. He only got pushed into the war because of the abominable Anti-American behavior of German agents in this country, including sabotage and the famous Zimmerman telegram attempting to recruit Mexico as German ally
That Germany started the war and should pay nothing to countries which had suffered the most from it.
The Germans also took Lenin to Russia to overthrow the Kerensky democracy. and surrender to the Germans.
Our betrayals of allies started with Chang Kai Shek. Our Chinese exoerts all hated him and loved Mao, and were delighted when we stook his best armies and brought them to the cities of the North while the Communists occupied the countryside. Chang would not agree to Mao's terms, and we cut off supplies to those armies. This left them to starve or make terms with Mao.
All the academic experts were delighted, It was only when millions starved to death in Mao's paradise, while Taiwan under the hated Chang became an economic powerhouse, did anyone realize that Chang was right and the idiot Mao was wrong.
the current leaders of China seem to have forgotten that.

Posted by Goober Choluque6459! 2021-10-08 04:41|| 2021-10-08 04:41|| Front Page Top

#3 Bill Kristol is merely a “Conservative”. After driving The Weekly Standard into bankruptcy, and sucking up tens of millions of Progressive dollars in a failed attempt to attract conservative readers with a replacement, he showed his true colours last November:

Not presumably forever; not perhaps for a day after Nov. 3, 2020; not on every issue or in every way until then. But for the time being one has to say: We are all Democrats now.
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 1, 2020

The man is an intellectual fraud. As for the other person, I’m afraid I regard professional Libertarians with as much respect as Mr. Kristol. Nor does an internet search suggest he has anything illuminating to say.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-10-08 07:20|| 2021-10-08 07:20|| Front Page Top

#4 Libertarian = "Legalized marijuana is the answer to everything."

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-10-08 08:07|| 2021-10-08 08:07|| Front Page Top

#5 Clearly in love with sound of their own voice.

Posted by ed in texas 2021-10-08 10:12|| 2021-10-08 10:12|| Front Page Top

#6 As a Libertarian (note the large "L"), I have mixed feelings about Scott Horton and his LI (Libertarian Institute), whose podcasts I listen to regularly. There is good and bad to be found there from the perspective of a reasonable American Libertarian.

First, I think it's important to recognize that the LI probably gets money from the Russians. It literally shares some staff with Russian Today. Which isn't always 100% a bad thing; but it bears keeping in mind, as it's reflected in the LI's reporting of international affairs. Which can be objectively extremely illuminating, if also extremely biased.

And what is that bias? It's simple, really. Scott Horton has spent so many years criticizing the United States military, Saudi Arabia, and Israel that he's lost all objectivity and gone completely around the bend. He rails tirelessly against both, but ignores or glosses over abuses by China, Russia, Iran, the Palestinians, or anyone else. I don't think he even does it on purpose at this point. It's become second nature to him.

Of course, Horton isn't the only person who works at the LI, and not everyone there is in lock step with him. But when the Libertarian convention happens next year in Reno, I'm going to go and see what I can do personally about sidelining Horton. His voice isn't helpful to anyone right now.

Oh, on a side note: I don't smoke pot. Or drink. Or do anything else that would get in the way of reading Ludwig Von Mises, Murry Rothbard, or Hans Hoppe from the quite of my library.

Posted by Secret Master 2021-10-08 12:45|| 2021-10-08 12:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Thank you for that thoughtful and sensible insider’s perspective, Secret Master. You’ve ever been a quiet voice for sense here at Rantburg. Good luck in Reno.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-10-08 17:19|| 2021-10-08 17:19|| Front Page Top

#8 ^Thank you TW. You are as always too kind.

Posted by Secret Master 2021-10-08 21:12|| 2021-10-08 21:12|| Front Page Top

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