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Pilot plan to charge drivers by the MILE is hidden in Biden's $1.2trillion infrastructure bill

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Posted by Skidmark 2021-08-11 06:46|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 They can't even count votes correctly. They are going to count every mile Americans drive? Riiiiight...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 07:16|| 2021-08-11 07:16|| Front Page Top

#2 I thought that was what the gas tax was about. Guess the EV surge is throwing revenue off.

Posted by Skidmark 2021-08-11 07:26|| 2021-08-11 07:26|| Front Page Top

#3 Simple:
1. Vehicles inspected every year
2. Mileage noted
3. Tax Bill Issued and must be Paid at Inspection
4. Not Paid you are SOL = Nova = No Go = Take a bus Home

Posted by Ominese Whuque5752 2021-08-11 07:29|| 2021-08-11 07:29|| Front Page Top

#4 With higher fuel mileage and EV increasing, and with fed gas tax not increasing for many years, the per mile plan may be an option. The part i have trouble with is that you locations are being documented during that mileage collection. If we go mileage, then what O. W. Said. But reluctantly

Posted by USN, Ret. 2021-08-11 07:38|| 2021-08-11 07:38|| Front Page Top

#5 Oh yeah, forgot extra surcharge on 'fuel used' to build alterative infrastructure
Gasoline (retire & decontaminate environment)
Electric (build EV stations, power plants, solar, wind etc.)
Hydrogen (ditto, all of EV plus 'hazard tax' for firefighting equiptment)

You all have just been made :

Posted by Ominese Whuque5752 2021-08-11 07:39|| 2021-08-11 07:39|| Front Page Top

#6 Does it beginning to down that mask mandates/"new normal" were a red cape waved at a bull?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-11 07:45|| 2021-08-11 07:45|| Front Page Top

#7 It wasn't the bull g, it was 19 RINOs

Posted by Rex Mundi 2021-08-11 10:14|| 2021-08-11 10:14|| Front Page Top

#8 Won't they be bittery surprised to find they aren't fighting frogs?

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 10:18|| 2021-08-11 10:18|| Front Page Top

#9 Unlike Lee, Austin will be executed immediately. Not firing squad or rope, he'll be tranpled by cavalry horses...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 10:20|| 2021-08-11 10:20|| Front Page Top

#10 So the GIVERnment forces vehicle manufactures to produce cars that get 30 MPG (and they all look the same) and produce EVs . Then due to lack of revenue makes them pay more for driving a vehicle they really would not rather have.

Posted by Airandee 2021-08-11 10:27|| 2021-08-11 10:27|| Front Page Top

#11 ^^^^ #10

You got it right and back in the day it was called a

Trabant

Posted by Elmirong Ulusort4613 2021-08-11 10:33|| 2021-08-11 10:33|| Front Page Top

#12 Red Barchetta...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 10:41|| 2021-08-11 10:41|| Front Page Top

#13 ^ Good call

Posted by Rex Mundi 2021-08-11 10:47|| 2021-08-11 10:47|| Front Page Top

#14 Does this include farm vehicles? Ranchers feeding cattle?

Posted by bman 2021-08-11 11:34|| 2021-08-11 11:34|| Front Page Top

#15 Big Nanny government has been trying to get this approved for years. Easy way to track you without going through all the stupid hoops with your cell data.

Posted by DarthVader 2021-08-11 12:26|| 2021-08-11 12:26|| Front Page Top

#16 Does this include farm vehicles? Ranchers feeding cattle?
^bman, Of course, cattle are bad-they fart and cause global warming. And who needs farmers - food comes from grocery stores.

Posted by Glenmore 2021-08-11 14:17|| 2021-08-11 14:17|| Front Page Top

#17 #3 Your mechanic can adjust the mileage back

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-11 14:24|| 2021-08-11 14:24|| Front Page Top

#18 ^ Magic numbers expert doesn't understand how a digital dashboard works. Why am I not surprised?

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 17:40|| 2021-08-11 17:40|| Front Page Top

#19 Oh, right. I magic numbers land, all data can be fudged....

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 17:42|| 2021-08-11 17:42|| Front Page Top

#20 In magic numbers land...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 17:43|| 2021-08-11 17:43|| Front Page Top

#21 Yeah, or better yet, drive backwards until the miles are reversed.

Better leave your phone at home, because the "Contact Tracing" will kick on every time you get above 10mph.

Posted by swksvolFF 2021-08-11 17:48|| 2021-08-11 17:48|| Front Page Top

#22 # 12 / M. Murcek - that's one of my top five Rush songs. Thanks for the link!

Posted by Raj 2021-08-11 18:25|| 2021-08-11 18:25|| Front Page Top

#23 Rush is a long time favorite of mine. I like all their stuff..

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 18:40|| 2021-08-11 18:40|| Front Page Top

#24 Alex Lifeson on Trailer Park Boys...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 18:43|| 2021-08-11 18:43|| Front Page Top

#25 A stab in the eye of magic numbers cultists...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 18:58|| 2021-08-11 18:58|| Front Page Top

#26 OK - what the fuck just happened to my post?

Posted by Raj 2021-08-11 18:59|| 2021-08-11 18:59|| Front Page Top

#27 Your mechanic can adjust the mileage back

In the olden days, cars had analog odometers with gears and wheels. An ~~unscrupulous~~ helpful mechanic could drill a teensy hole and use a dental pick to physically roll back the digit wheels. Or chuck the odometer cable in a electric drill and 'drive' it back.

Nowadays, it's a digital world. You hook an electronic dingus to the car's CAN bus and you can talk to its computer, which is how your mechanic reads the Check Engine codes or turns off the Service Required warning. I would be totally un-surprised if there was a way to set as well as read the mileage, even if it is not in the official documentation. Data is malleable.

Posted by SteveS 2021-08-11 19:00|| 2021-08-11 19:00|| Front Page Top

#28 Unlike Dominion voting machines, the chip in your car has an error flag that announces it has been altered.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-11 19:05|| 2021-08-11 19:05|| Front Page Top

#29 Lovely - I can swear like a sailor here but I can't post links to my five favorite Rush songs? What the fuck...

Posted by Raj 2021-08-11 19:07|| 2021-08-11 19:07|| Front Page Top

#30 Too many links in one post I'm guessing, Raj. An anti-spam measure, IIRC.

Posted by SteveS 2021-08-11 19:12|| 2021-08-11 19:12|| Front Page Top

#31 Unlike Dominion voting machines, the chip in your car has an error flag that announces it has been altered.

My first impulse is to snark that error flags are data and like the man said, "Data bees malleable". But I don't know enough about the innerds of auto data systems to say. I would be pleased to see that automakers have tried to create some barriers to hacking, unlike Dominion machines which seem designed to be "updated".

Worth noting is a general principle in computer security that if someone has physical access to the device, then all bets are off.

Posted by SteveS 2021-08-11 19:26|| 2021-08-11 19:26|| Front Page Top

#32 SteveS - that's probably it. It still sucks - they should have an anti-spam filter to let Rush songs through!

Posted by Raj 2021-08-11 19:30|| 2021-08-11 19:30|| Front Page Top

#33 I think 2 links per comment/post is the limit. We had trolls that would linkfest the shit out of RB

Posted by Frank G 2021-08-11 19:46|| 2021-08-11 19:46|| Front Page Top

#34 This really hits if you live rurally or in the fly over states. Every time I go out a RT is a minimum of 40 miles and driving all the way into the city is up to 100 miles RT
The monitoring sucks even more.

Posted by Jan 2021-08-11 20:31|| 2021-08-11 20:31|| Front Page Top

#35 Never mind those who travel around checking cows...off road. Harvest time as well.

In the olden days, cars had analog odometers with gears and wheels. An unscrupulous helpful mechanic could drill a teensy hole and use a dental pick to physically roll back the digit wheels. Or chuck the odometer cable in a electric drill and 'drive' it back.

It occurred to me this is meant for those readers under 40, who likely didn't get my joke.

Posted by swksvolFF 2021-08-11 21:53|| 2021-08-11 21:53|| Front Page Top

#36 I'm sure Teamster driven rigs will get an exemption.

Posted by CrazyFool 2021-08-11 22:29|| 2021-08-11 22:29|| Front Page Top

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