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2020-04-26 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Hawaii's governor extends stay-at-home order until May 31
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Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-26 01:29|| || Front Page|| [6 views ]  Top

#1 Isn't most of their business tourism, and tourism is dead (at least for a foreseeable future)?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-26 06:18||   2020-04-26 06:18|| Front Page Top

#2 But this virus is potentially deadly,

So is driving - do you mandate everybody drive around in armored personnel carriers going 5 MPH? Because that would make it safe.

What a bunch of assholes. Kiss your tourism industry goodbye - it won't recover for years.
Posted by Raj 2020-04-26 06:29||   2020-04-26 06:29|| Front Page Top

#3 If I lived in Hawaii I would want to stay home.
Posted by Skidmark 2020-04-26 08:28||   2020-04-26 08:28|| Front Page Top

#4 "Ige also announced that elective surgeries may now take place and beaches will be open for exercise."

Gee, thanks.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 08:32||   2020-04-26 08:32|| Front Page Top

#5 The official Hawaii unemployment number is 37%.
Posted by Classical_Liberal 2020-04-26 08:46||   2020-04-26 08:46|| Front Page Top

#6 /\ Somehow, I doubt that figure has changed much in the last 35-40 years or so.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-26 09:11||   2020-04-26 09:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Yeah, why work when haole will pay?
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-04-26 09:15||   2020-04-26 09:15|| Front Page Top

#8 Yeah and apparently they're fining people for just being on a beach.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2020-04-26 09:26||   2020-04-26 09:26|| Front Page Top

#9 Considering all the Asian flights that end up in Hawaii, I thought there's be massive infection and death rates. Glad to see that hasn't happened. Hard to imagine, but it may be that the state gov't did something right.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-04-26 09:33||   2020-04-26 09:33|| Front Page Top

#10 Was there in 1992. Beaches were nice, I was there to see the Keck telescopes.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-04-26 10:07||   2020-04-26 10:07|| Front Page Top

#11 Hell, why stop at Covid-19, lets wipe out any communicable diseases while were at it.
Posted by bbrewer126 2020-04-26 10:15||   2020-04-26 10:15|| Front Page Top

#12 Imagine summary executions for body odor. g(r)imgarou would rub his hands together and agree.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-04-26 10:49||   2020-04-26 10:49|| Front Page Top

#13 Tone it down, MM
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-26 11:14||   2020-04-26 11:14|| Front Page Top

#14 /\ I'll second that.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 11:17||   2020-04-26 11:17|| Front Page Top

#15 #9 Considering all the Asian flights that end up in Hawaii, I thought there's be massive infection and death rates. Glad to see that hasn't happened. Hard to imagine, but it may be that the state gov't did something right.

But there were thousands of Asian visitors arriving in HI, just as there were 150,000 or so Chinese visitors arriving in CA, in Dec. and Jan. prior to both the lockdown and the travel ban -- and there was no spike in fatalities then.

It simply cannot be the case that the lockdown caused fatalities to decline. It's likely that most Hawaiians, like Californians, have over time developed immunity to these Chinese flu viruses.
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 11:23||   2020-04-26 11:23|| Front Page Top

#16 Any stats out of Canada? There is a pretty substantial Asian/Chinese community there from what I understand.

Meanwhile, what about reports out of the various Chinatowns in the US? Either statistically insignificant numbers out of there or under-[not]reported.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 11:29||   2020-04-26 11:29|| Front Page Top

#17 Re #15: So my 17 years on Kaua'i may be a Get-Out-of-Wuhan-Flu card?
Posted by Mercutio 2020-04-26 12:46||   2020-04-26 12:46|| Front Page Top

#18 ^ yeah, probably
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 12:51||   2020-04-26 12:51|| Front Page Top

#19 #15 - 18. If Chinese are naturally immune, how you explain this?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-26 13:23||   2020-04-26 13:23|| Front Page Top

#20 Not sure if anybody is naturally immune, but still curious about numbers from those specific areas, at least here in the US and Canada.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 13:29||   2020-04-26 13:29|| Front Page Top

#21 ^There is always individuals who are immune to any particular pathogen.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-26 15:28||   2020-04-26 15:28|| Front Page Top

#22 Clem, here you go:
Bay Area COVID Tracker

San Francisco total pop 881,549
Total C. deaths = 22. Yes, twenty-two.

fatalities : population = 1:44,000. At America's Ground Zero, for the Greatest Pandemic in Modern History.

Re Chinatown:
SF Chinese pop. = 21%, of which maybe one-third live in Chinatown = ca. 60,000.
Don't know how many COVID fatalities have been in Chinatown but even if half of all SF's fatalities were concentrated there, that would make the fatalities : population rate ca. 1:6,000.
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 15:55||   2020-04-26 15:55|| Front Page Top

#23 Imagine summary executions for body odor. g(r)imgarou would rub his hands together and agree.

I know one mod has spoken against this and Clem's backing him on that, but I'm fine with it. Civil, well-reasoned discourse (the Rantburg motto, remember?) on occasion loses the civil part. Y'all know that I'm not necessarily a fan of g(r)omgoru, as we've clashed in the past and he's pissed me off more than once (and I'm sure I've returned the favor) but he brings a unique perspective to a lot of things, one of our hallmarks here. Let them fight, if that's what they choose to do, or whoever fires the first verbal salvo. Remember Frank Zappa's admonition of Congress back in the 1990's when he was defending his song lyrics (with John Denver & Dee Snider of Twisted Sister) - 'they're just words'.
Posted by Raj 2020-04-26 16:21||   2020-04-26 16:21|| Front Page Top

#24 Lots of obese folks in HI (what happens when poi meets girl) so their caution may make sense. But if there was societal susceptibility you’d likely see higher infection and death rates. Heat and sunshine might be playing a positive role.
Posted by Remoteman 2020-04-26 16:44||   2020-04-26 16:44|| Front Page Top

#25 Raj - that Mod would be me. I haven't stepped in til someone (you know who) calls the other person a "cocksucker" in an otherwise gratuitous (meritless) slam, I have to step in. This is Fred's site, and it's supposed to be, at worse, PG rated. You don't like it, complain to mgmt. All the other swordfighting? I didn't/don't care.

I'm no CV-19 expert, and didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express. I've been here since around 9/11, though and kinda know what flies/doesn't
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-26 17:28||   2020-04-26 17:28|| Front Page Top

#26 Frank G - fully understood on all counts. I'm not the most diplomatic of sorts and I'm inclined to let direct personal insults slide, having used them early and often here and elsewhere.

I've been here since the same 9/11 time frame, just as you are / were. I'm certain we're on the same page but I understand your role as a mod, so I'm just throwing my couple of cents in.
Posted by Raj 2020-04-26 17:45||   2020-04-26 17:45|| Front Page Top

#27 I know - I tend to tread lightly so Fred doesn't regret it :-)

Except for "talk gibberish-to-text" guy
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-26 17:56||   2020-04-26 17:56|| Front Page Top

#28 Thanks/Spasibo, Lex (#22), appreciate it.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 18:02||   2020-04-26 18:02|| Front Page Top

#29 Except for "talk gibberish-to-text" guy

Muckie? That guy was awesome...

(trying some humor here)
Posted by Raj 2020-04-26 18:17||   2020-04-26 18:17|| Front Page Top

#30 the random-nymed guy who drops in in AMs with gibberish and a butt/excrement fetish :-)
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-26 18:30||   2020-04-26 18:30|| Front Page Top

#31 Muck4doo know China is asshole! That guy was classic.
Posted by Remoteman 2020-04-26 19:13||   2020-04-26 19:13|| Front Page Top

#32 Muck4doo was wonderful. I miss him, too.

Flame wars are boring, and if repeated long enough become self-perpetuating until we are forced to ban someone, during which time perfectly blameless others leave us in disgust.

Those who enjoy participating in such things are perfectly welcome to exchange contact information and continue the conversation in private.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-04-26 19:52||   2020-04-26 19:52|| Front Page Top

#33 "welcome to exchange contact information"
TW, is there a secure way to do that?
I don't want to join flame wars, but there are several people I would like to connect with outside of the burg.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2020-04-26 19:56||   2020-04-26 19:56|| Front Page Top

#34 Assuming that Frank G speaks for the mods, probably best to exit now and wish you all well.
Best,
L.
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 20:35||   2020-04-26 20:35|| Front Page Top

#35 I speak for me
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-26 20:59||   2020-04-26 20:59|| Front Page Top

#36 then F off, F
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 21:13||   2020-04-26 21:13|| Front Page Top

#37 I hope you continue to contribute to the 'Burg, Lex.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 21:16||   2020-04-26 21:16|| Front Page Top

#38 Sorry you feel that way, Lex
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-26 21:34||   2020-04-26 21:34|| Front Page Top

#39 /\ I'll second that.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 21:35||   2020-04-26 21:35|| Front Page Top

#40 I'll third that, Les. I've much appreciated your prolific, and seemingly intelligent, contributions.
Posted by Bobby 2020-04-26 21:44||   2020-04-26 21:44|| Front Page Top

#41  "welcome to exchange contact information"
TW, is there a secure way to do that?

Meet in the O Club chat room, Rambler. Fred does not archive those comments, so they age out in a day or three — or you can — or can request — that a comment be deleted. I’m not sure if clicking on the time stamp there will open one of your comments if you are not a moderator, but any of the mods can handle it for certain.

Lex, what brought that on? You’ve been reasonably well behaved, and your thoughtful comments have in general been much appreciated.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-04-26 22:05||   2020-04-26 22:05|| Front Page Top

#42 Sounds like someone needs a jar of Retinol cream.
Posted by bbrewer126 2020-04-26 22:12||   2020-04-26 22:12|| Front Page Top

#43 Lex, what brought that on?

Childish, nasty personal attacks from a mod at the only place left where we can speak freely against the stupidity and madness of the world without fear of corporate/political/social retribution, maybe?

Combined with watching my nation, and the entire world (my family spams many nations), self-destruct, and destroy my entire life's work and my family's future, because of -- yes, shitty, stupid, incompetent, craven, wasp-stung, needless pseudo-leaders' botched understanding of the actual course of yet another annual Chinese flu bug?

Every day my little family huddles and wonders what flaming idiocy will hit us next. The only thing keeping us sane is Rantburg.

"A blight against the dullness of the world"
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 22:24||   2020-04-26 22:24|| Front Page Top

#44 My family spans many nations

[tee hee / pre-emptive strike]
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 22:26||   2020-04-26 22:26|| Front Page Top

#45 If I have to stop the car and come back there......
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-26 22:27||   2020-04-26 22:27|| Front Page Top

#46 You tell 'em, Besoeker!
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 22:30||   2020-04-26 22:30|| Front Page Top

#47 @ #43 - Lex, I must have missed the attacks from a Mod. I thought they were from/between two others. But there are so many [good] posts here perhaps I missed something.

In any case, hang in there. The egesta we have to deal with (swamp, COVID-19 insanity, MSM, etc.) is rough enough. See you tomorrow!
Posted by Clem 2020-04-26 22:34||   2020-04-26 22:34|| Front Page Top

#48 Lex - I've been here since my son went to Iraq in 2004 with the Marines. You'll be sorry if you leave. Me, too!
Posted by Bobby 2020-04-26 22:39||   2020-04-26 22:39|| Front Page Top

#49 It’s a fraught time, my dear, and we are all doing our imperfect best. Now is the time for a good scotch whiskey or the equivalent (a small Bailey’s for me but I have all the alcohol tolerance of a small guppy), a deep breath, and a long hug.

Meanwhile, out in the real world quarantines are being less observed, while the leading states are starting opening the economy this week. Slowly then very fast is intersecting passing the crest.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-04-26 22:45||   2020-04-26 22:45|| Front Page Top

#50 I appreciate all you do, TW.
All my best and I raise my Laphroaig to you & yours,
L.
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 22:49||   2020-04-26 22:49|| Front Page Top

#51 Damn, I wish I had some Laphroaig to raise back. Don't leave, it would be dumb. Did I ever mention I am not glib? Ah, you already noticed? Good.
Drink another / few, stick around. I'd miss you.
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2020-04-26 23:28||   2020-04-26 23:28|| Front Page Top

#52 \_/
L
Posted by Lex 2020-04-26 23:32||   2020-04-26 23:32|| Front Page Top

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