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2020-04-06 Science

Are we killing people by using ventilators too soon

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Posted by lord garth 2020-04-06 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 I suggest 24 hour rule - if this is true (which I personally doubt - too many things clash with what I do remember of basic physiology), the released iron in blood should be easily detectable.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-06 02:25|| 2020-04-06 02:25|| Front Page Top

#2 They are going to need the respirator because their chest muscles and diaphragm can't keep up with the effort, along with the effort costing lots of O2. Is there an alternative to using a ventilator (or how it's used) whether or not the virus is binding to the heme groups?

Posted by gorb 2020-04-06 07:43|| 2020-04-06 07:43|| Front Page Top

#3 SWAG - Silly Wild Ass Guess - there's probably a way to do this with a modified SCUBA setup...

Posted by M. Murcek 2020-04-06 10:59|| 2020-04-06 10:59|| Front Page Top

#4 M.Murcek: Yes
March 31

Posted by swksvolFF 2020-04-06 11:45|| 2020-04-06 11:45|| Front Page Top

#5 Some guy in Waxahachie, TX (25 miles south of Dallas) made the news a few days ago, making a 'space helmet' device with hospital connections for air or O2. Local effort, most of the work is done by church volunteers.

Maybe the church connection is why it didn't make the national news.

Posted by Bobby 2020-04-06 12:36|| 2020-04-06 12:36|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm with Grom on this one. Should be very straight forward to verify one way or another. In the meantime, I'm willing to believe there is a lot about the virus we still don't know.

Posted by Iblis 2020-04-06 13:46|| 2020-04-06 13:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Wouldn't this hypothesis imply that the blood is flooded with massive amounts of virus protein that enters red blood cells disabling oxygen transport?

Wouldn't these proteins in the blood be detectable and wouldn't their presence also imply a massive systemic infection with general organ failure?

Essentially the bloodstream would be massively contaminated with debris of cells killed by the Wuhan virus.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2020-04-06 15:37|| 2020-04-06 15:37|| Front Page Top

#8 intubation is an issue for long term tracheal damage, the solution, a tracheostomy. worked for me, just sayin'

Posted by 746 2020-04-06 18:21|| 2020-04-06 18:21|| Front Page Top

#9 another 'be cautious in putting people on ventilators' article here

some say that in NYC people are being put on ventilators too early to keep them from being infection sources (I hope this isn't true).

Posted by lord garth 2020-04-06 18:28|| 2020-04-06 18:28|| Front Page Top

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