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2018-11-08 -Lurid Crime Tales-
California shooting - LIVE: 12 people killed and gunman dead after shooting in crowded Thousand Oaks bar
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Posted by Besoeker 2018-11-08 07:30|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6488 views ]  Top

#1 It was 'Country' night.
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-11-08 07:33||   2018-11-08 07:33|| Front Page Top

#2 Smoke grenades, plenty of ammo, appeared 'Middle Eastern' by some reports (although 24-hour rule applies), took out bouncer first.

So well planned.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2018-11-08 08:19||   2018-11-08 08:19|| Front Page Top

#3 Borderline Bar and Grill:

For over 25 years, The Award Winning Borderline Bar & Grill of Thousand Oaks has stood as the Ventura County's Largest Country Dance Hall & Live Music Venue. With over 2,500 square feet of wide open dance floor, Borderline has provided a haven for country line dancing folks of all ages equiped with pool tables, games, HDTV's, and a full bar & dinner menu open till 2am 5 nights a week.

The Borderline Bar & Grill first opened its doors in the late 80's, in beautiful Malibu Ca. alongside the infamous Pacific Coast Highway and has since moved to Thousand Oaks Ca. in 1993.

Since the doors have opened in '93, the "Giant Cowboy Hat" & "Disco Ball Saddle" have stood as a tribute to the original Borderline, centered above the dance floor and accompanied by the famous "BORDERLINE - Where your boots meet the beach" banner.


May or may not be relevant, but the 2017 Mandalay Bay hotel sniper shooting also took place at a Country and Western venue.

Posted by Besoeker 2018-11-08 08:24||   2018-11-08 08:24|| Front Page Top

#4 shooter saw too many John Wick movies
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Gray2121 2018-11-08 09:07||   2018-11-08 09:07|| Front Page Top

#5 Lots of pro-American shirts and military tattoos on the survivors in the pics.

May be my cynicism talking but I wouldn't be surprised if that is why it was targeted.
Posted by DarthVader 2018-11-08 09:07||   2018-11-08 09:07|| Front Page Top

#6 ...the motive may never be determined. - standard press release.
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-11-08 09:19||   2018-11-08 09:19|| Front Page Top

#7 ^Unless the perp is white
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-11-08 09:28||   2018-11-08 09:28|| Front Page Top

#8 Listening to the Beeb:
1) no mention of perp's identity or ethnicity
2) no evidence of terrorism at this time statement

Usually, this is a sign of non-white guy + terrorism. Any bets on "known wolf"?
Posted by SteveS 2018-11-08 09:39||   2018-11-08 09:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Was he on the FBI's radar ?
Posted by Besoeker 2018-11-08 09:43||   2018-11-08 09:43|| Front Page Top

#10 Or as the Aussies put it, "man of undetermined origin".

Slappy Maxies homey who to the BAMN to heart?
Posted by AlanC 2018-11-08 09:56||   2018-11-08 09:56|| Front Page Top

#11 PONA (person of no appearance) generally means exactly who you think it is.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2018-11-08 09:57||   2018-11-08 09:57|| Front Page Top

#12 Ian David Long is the Thousand Oaks shooter, a military veteran known to local law enforcement. He may have taken his own life.

Ventura Count Sherrif Geoff Dean giving excellent interview/press conference on FOX right now.

Posted by Besoeker 2018-11-08 10:03||   2018-11-08 10:03|| Front Page Top

#13 Antifa?
Posted by JohnQC 2018-11-08 10:19||   2018-11-08 10:19|| Front Page Top

#14 Was the shooter a Marine combat veteran? PTSD?

Police had good response time. They did a good job. RIP for the 29 year veteran of the PD who was first in and got shot and killed. Sympathies for his family and son. His dad was a hero.
Posted by JohnQC 2018-11-08 10:27||   2018-11-08 10:27|| Front Page Top

#15 I did a search for David Ian Long and the images that showed up were victims and one white guy. At first I thought the white guy was the shooter but he was just the reporter writing the story.

Internet is weird sometimes.
Posted by rjschwarz 2018-11-08 10:29||   2018-11-08 10:29|| Front Page Top

#16 From Besoeker’s link:

One neighbor who knew Long said he was a veteran who suffered from PTSD. She said, "I don't know what he was doing with a gun." Others said Long lived at the home with his mother.

His gun, which appears to be a .45-caliber handgun, was purchased legally, according to ABC News. AP reports that he also deployed a smoke device.

The Daily Mail says he is a Marine and he committe suicide after killing the first sheriff who came through the door. They have photos of him in uniform — he’s white.
Posted by trailing wife 2018-11-08 10:42||   2018-11-08 10:42|| Front Page Top

#17 ‘Please pray if you believe’: Adam Housley’s niece is a possible victim of the #Borderline mass shooting
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2018-11-08 10:43||   2018-11-08 10:43|| Front Page Top

#18 I think we have a lot of veterans who spent way too much time in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. We should leave those shit holes to their own devices, defend our own borders, and then bring factories back to America so young men can get good jobs.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2018-11-08 12:03||   2018-11-08 12:03|| Front Page Top

#19 Wondering what his DD-214 looks like.
Posted by Vast Right Wing Conspiracy 2018-11-08 13:33||   2018-11-08 13:33|| Front Page Top

#20'll see it when we get to see John Kerry's personnel file.
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-11-08 13:38||   2018-11-08 13:38|| Front Page Top

#21 We've made incredible strides in artificial limbs, have we made any progress in handling PTSD?
Posted by rjschwarz 2018-11-08 14:05||   2018-11-08 14:05|| Front Page Top

#22 DOD has spent a pile on “resiliency” and other buzzwords. Does that count?
Posted by Classical_Liberal 2018-11-08 14:56||   2018-11-08 14:56|| Front Page Top

#23 >have we made any progress in handling PTSD?

Ketamine and Ecstasy work apparently.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2018-11-08 15:13||   2018-11-08 15:13|| Front Page Top

#24 Adam Housley, a former Fox reporter, has been an independent investigative reporter. A niece might be motive alone, sending a message to back off. Trey Gowdy also lost a nephew killed & Eric Bollinger's son who never did drugs had an untimely overdose. Papadoupolis was warned to stay in the open as anyone challenging the Deep State is a threat. I really don't believe in coincidences and now with all the other Fox peeps being threatened and doxxed.
Posted by Eohippus Dribble5682 2018-11-08 17:10||   2018-11-08 17:10|| Front Page Top

Posted by Jack Chaiter7913 2018-11-08 18:40||   2018-11-08 18:40|| Front Page Top

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