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2018-07-29 China-Japan-Koreas
Russian Phobia Hides Our Biggest Adversary - China
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-07-29 05:21|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6484 views ]  Top

#1 I do worry if the Ukraine has been doing a large amount of meddling as well.

After all the lie that Trump is soft on Russia causes the west to look for proving it wrong and thus the Ukraine gets a benefit.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2018-07-29 08:57||   2018-07-29 08:57|| Front Page Top

#2 1. China can't be blamed for Trump.

2. We can't invade China from NATO territory like we can Russia.

3. Our elites still hold out hope in the face of all evidence that China can join the world order. Russia, on the other hand, must be eliminated. Regime change is the only way to remove their Italy sized influence from the world stage.

4. A war against Russia would be profitable beyond all dreams. You think little wars like Syria or Afghanistan are profitable, look at a big shooting war.

5. They would be able to break the taboo against first use of nuclear weapons. You think our elites are terrifying now, wait until you know for a fact they'll nuke you if you dare to disobey.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2018-07-29 09:46||   2018-07-29 09:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Ukraine plus every nationalist group in a country on Russia's rather extended border. Makes for a long list that would love to see the US and Russia get into a rumble...
Posted by magpie 2018-07-29 09:47||   2018-07-29 09:47|| Front Page Top

#4 The DS used both Russia and China as well as Iran and NK to drain the resources of the U.S.
Posted by JohnQC 2018-07-29 11:48||   2018-07-29 11:48|| Front Page Top

#5 ..not to mention the attainment of ever more power.
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-07-29 14:34||   2018-07-29 14:34|| Front Page Top

#6 Ukraine plus every nationalist group in a country on Russia's rather extended border. Makes for a long list that would love to see the US and Russia get into a rumble...

I disagree. That rumble would occur in their territory. Russia has an extended border because it's spent the last 600 years conquering and annexing its neighbors at a rate unmatched by any extant power. Reducing the length of that border is merely a matter of handing back to the original inhabitants the lands obtained at sword- and gun-point.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2018-07-29 15:26||   2018-07-29 15:26|| Front Page Top

#7 Lets not paint any oversimplified Manichean pictures, Zhang. The reason Russia spend "600 years conquering and annexing its neighbors" is because for the preceding 500 years its neighbors been invading Russia on a regular basis.

p.s. Everybody else strong enough been doing the same for the entire length of the recorded history, and even before - Russians been merely among the more successful (not as successful as Romans or Brits).
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-07-29 16:39||   2018-07-29 16:39|| Front Page Top

#8 If they looked at China, there might be questions about why Obama let China off the hook for the biggest data theft in history.

(And is it insane to think China may be encouraging the Russia, Russia, Russia crap?)
Posted by Rob Crawford 2018-07-29 17:36||   2018-07-29 17:36|| Front Page Top

#9 And is it insane to think China may be encouraging the Russia, Russia, Russia crap?

Well, I never claimed to be sane.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-07-29 17:48||   2018-07-29 17:48|| Front Page Top

#10 ..well, its all sort of relative, isn't it.
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-07-29 21:02||   2018-07-29 21:02|| Front Page Top

#11 {The reason Russia spend "600 years conquering and annexing its neighbors" is because for the preceding 500 years its neighbors been invading Russia on a regular basis.}

Some were initiated by Russia, and others were initiated by its neighbors. Those of the neighbors that attacked Russia tended to do raids. Russia tended to conquer and annex. Note that Russia did more or less the same thing China did. Encroach on neighboring territory and then scream in outrage when that neighbor conducted raids on the settlers to discourage further encroachments.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2018-07-29 21:53||   2018-07-29 21:53|| Front Page Top

#12 (And is it insane to think China may be encouraging the Russia, Russia, Russia crap?)

How would you even go about doing something like that? Hypocritical caterwauling aside, the Democrats love tariffs. They also haven't liked China much since its adoption of capitalism. I suspect the Chinese view is more a passive, fingers-crossed "there, but for the grace of Mao, go I".

The Democrats know the Russia thing is bullshit. They're pushing the Russia angle because the propaganda organs of the far left, the mass media, are feeling their oats. They don't feel the need to approach some facsimile of the truth any more.

If they really cared about Russia, they'd be pushing to sanction Europe for buying Russian gas. They'd be pushing for a trade embargo with Russia. Heck, they'd be insisting on a big arms package for Ukraine. A one-time $200m grant is peanuts. What about Patriots, fighter bomber aircraft and spares?
Posted by Zhang Fei 2018-07-29 22:03||   2018-07-29 22:03|| Front Page Top

#13 They're pushing the Russia angle because

They’re pushing Russia because they firmly believe that those atavistic conservatives/Republicans (because they can’t bother to differentiate among varieties of deplorables) are all horrified at the very idea of Russians, just like Senator McCarthy, and therefore will reject President Trump for the connection. The current reality must be very confusing to them — I keep hoping the extinction burst will come soon.
Posted by trailing wife 2018-07-29 22:15||   2018-07-29 22:15|| Front Page Top

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