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US official: Russia 'hacked' 21 US states in election

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Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-06-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Hard to hack paper and purple fingers.

Just sayin'....

Posted by DarthVader 2017-06-22 00:03|| 2017-06-22 00:03|| Front Page Top

#2 Mr Liles told Congress DHS detected hacking activities last spring and summer and later received reports of cyber probing of election systems

I'd love to know the forensics used to define the hackers as 'Russian'.

Posted by Pappy 2017-06-22 00:40|| 2017-06-22 00:40|| Front Page Top

#3 Jeanette Manfra of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) refused to identify the states during her testimony before a Senate panel, citing confidentiality agreements.

Because she just chose "21", for narrative reasons?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-06-22 01:29|| 2017-06-22 01:29|| Front Page Top

#4 First of all, she is wrong. All 50 states experience hacking attempts. As well as any other device that is assigned an internet IP address. Hackers have the tools to probe every IP address on the planet. Firewalls, security logs that log those attempts, etc. have been around since before Windows NT.

This is garbage leftist propaganda.

Posted by Crelet Bucket3272 2017-06-22 02:42|| 2017-06-22 02:42|| Front Page Top

#5 Hacking means changing code in some way or taking data. So what was done to constitute 'hacking'? Probably a big fat nothing. Just unauthorized access attempts.

Posted by phil_b 2017-06-22 03:27|| 2017-06-22 03:27|| Front Page Top

#6 So the Dems and DHS knew about the so-called cyber-attacks on 21 States by the Russians as early as the Spring and Summer of 2016 and they did nothing about it. What were they waiting for? They thought Hillary was going to win and chose not to do anything about it.

Posted by JohnQC 2017-06-22 08:00|| 2017-06-22 08:00|| Front Page Top

#7 I am getting tired of this statement: US intelligence agencies believe Moscow interfered to help Donald Trump win.

How would *you* cross-examine such a statement?

Posted by Bobby 2017-06-22 08:18|| 2017-06-22 08:18|| Front Page Top

#8 Hacking means changing code in some way or taking data.

Many years ago this was true. Now Hacking is a catchall term for anything that involves a computer that you don't like. Asking for someone's password and using it is hacking to some in the Demo party.

Posted by AlanC 2017-06-22 08:50|| 2017-06-22 08:50|| Front Page Top

#9 Hacking used to mean doing something or overcoming some problem in an innovative way - and not just for computers but about anything. And a hacker was someone who did such things routinely.
The media has corrupted it first to mean 'breaking into a computer or software' and called even script kiddies 'hackers' and now it means 'doing something with a computer we don't like'.

Posted by CrazyFool 2017-06-22 09:02|| 2017-06-22 09:02|| Front Page Top

#10 so, the other 36 states were OK?

Posted by Frank G 2017-06-22 10:02|| 2017-06-22 10:02|| Front Page Top

#11 True - today's use of hacking simply means manipulation. For me, hacking has meant the defeat of a closed system - whatever that system is. To distinguish a hack from manipulation, the hack is completed in 2 phases very similar to mechanized warfare: breakthrough and exploitation phases where the system is compromised in 'breakthrough' usually via data injection, and then access gained for 'exploitation'. The act is deliberate and not dependent on 2nd party input. This is why email phishing is not hacking.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2017-06-22 10:04|| 2017-06-22 10:04|| Front Page Top

#12 I'd love to know the forensics used to define the hackers as 'Russian'.

Wouldn't we all? But that's classified. It's a deep, dark secret.

Even Putin knows, and has said so, that a hacker's IP address can be spoofed. So, assuming the intel community really does have solid evidence the Russians hacked the election, it must be some evidence other than IP addresses. What that evidence could be is the key question. Has our intel community devised a method to determine who the hackers are no matter what IP address is associated with the hack? Or did our own spooks hack the Russians to get this purported evidence?

People like James Clapper may say they believe Moscow interfered in our election to help Trump but then, they say all kinds of things. What they really believe is a whole other matter and as long as they say their evidence is a secret we just have to trust them. That's the hard part and it's getting harder all the time.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2017-06-22 10:55|| 2017-06-22 10:55|| Front Page Top

#13 "Asof right now, we have evidence that election-related systems in 21 states were targeted," she told the panel.

Targeting is not the same as actual hacking. But this is the BBC and the reporter is an idiot.

Posted by CrazyFool 2017-06-22 11:11|| 2017-06-22 11:11|| Front Page Top

#14 Reminds me of Jimmy Carter's 'lusting in his heart' and believing that was the same thing as committing the deed.

Posted by Bobby 2017-06-22 13:20|| 2017-06-22 13:20|| Front Page Top

#15 Many years ago this was true. Now Hacking is a catchall term for anything that involves a computer that you don't like.

Just like the definition of racism used to be specific; now it includes anything a white person says about a non-white person, etc.

Posted by Raj 2017-06-22 13:30|| 2017-06-22 13:30|| Front Page Top

#16 I'd love to know the forensics used to define the hackers as 'Russian'.

C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\russians-wer-hear.txt

Posted by SteveS 2017-06-22 13:32|| 2017-06-22 13:32|| Front Page Top

#17 Remember the States Accuse DHS Account of Hacking?

Posted by magpie 2017-06-22 13:39|| 2017-06-22 13:39|| Front Page Top

#18 Has our intel community devised a method to determine who the hackers are no matter what IP address is associated with the hack? Or did our own spooks hack the Russians to get this purported evidence?
you're running down the rabbit hole they dug for you. The IC is part of the Deep State. Attempting to 'divine' motive is pointless. We know what the motive is

Posted by Rex Mundi 2017-06-22 14:49|| 2017-06-22 14:49|| Front Page Top

#19 So DHS works with Putin?

They've left themselves open for that. Given that history shows the American intel community to be somewhat incompetent in identifying those who worked for Russian intel within their own ranks.

Posted by Procopius2k 2017-06-22 17:55|| 2017-06-22 17:55|| Front Page Top

#20 What if the DHS probed computers in 21 states and made it look like the Russians did it? The Vault #7 release indicated the CIA can actually initiate cyber attacks on US systems and leave “fingerprints” to suggest to forensics experts that the attacks came from a foreign power, even the Russian Federation.

The purpose would be two-fold:
1. Set up the narrative that Trump election team was in cahoots with Russia.
2. Set things up so that DHS would declare voting processes and voting machine were a part of "critical infra-structure" and centralize/nationalize control of voting under the Federal government. It would be much easier to control the outcome of future elections.

Of course these are just hypotheticals.

Posted by JohnQC 2017-06-22 22:01|| 2017-06-22 22:01|| Front Page Top

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