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2016-03-16 Home Front: Politix
Rush: GOP Establishment Will 'Make the Nominee' if Race Goes to Open Convention
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Posted by Besoeker 2016-03-16 06:13|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ]  Top

#1 As much as I believe Trump to be the biggest fraud , and that after looking at his record and the facts, you'd have to be an utter idiot to vote for him...

If the GOP establishment does this, the party will detonate. Its already well on the way to being dead, this will blow up the corpse.

Come to think of it, this is the pefect metphor for what the Trump voters are doing, and the GOP e is attempting to do...

Posted by Spavith Bumble2887 2016-03-16 07:10||   2016-03-16 07:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Wouldn't surprise me at all---all these people are Angela Markel.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-03-16 07:23||   2016-03-16 07:23|| Front Page Top

#3 Trump people are the majority. Cry someplace else.
Posted by Dale 2016-03-16 07:32||   2016-03-16 07:32|| Front Page Top

#4 An additional thought... Do they think they can really get away with this? I regard Trump as a authoritarian populist ass, but probably not evil at heart, just a narcissist like Obama who has harnessed anger of a group of unthinking people, and is riding it to power. More like Mussolini, not Hitler.

But this attempt at subverting a broken but still semi-democratic process? This is purely evil if they try to subvert the process because they didnt like the results. These are the acts of people more akin to a Lenin, or Stalin.

Talk about inciting violence? The GOPe will be kicking the hornets nest if they try this.
Posted by Maggie Whetle9397 2016-03-16 07:35||   2016-03-16 07:35|| Front Page Top

#5 No Dale, you poor deluded idiot. More people in the GOP voted for someone else, not Trump, Thats not a majority oif the GOP, much less a majority of voters.

This disaster is on you. I just wonder if you are so thick that you will continue to delude yourself after this all blows up in your face. You are the Obamabots of 2016. I and others will not let you forget this.

I'm going to let this ride, but a warning: basic civility towards other commenters is required at the Burg. There are plenty of ways to make your point; do so without insulting others on the Burg.

Trailing wife will be along in a short while with the lavender clue hammer to see if you've taken this warning to heart...
Posted by Snuting Thosh2648 2016-03-16 07:38||   2016-03-16 07:38|| Front Page Top

#6 I wonder if we aren't approaching a point where things will demand a possibly violent revolution to fix them - not because of the people, but that the leadership is so distanced that they believe themselves immune to the changes they are causing - leaving violence as the only answer. And that is a really frightening point if you have seen what real wars look like. I have. Thats why I am fighting so hard to stop this one short of violence. Edmund Burke's condemnation of passivity stings those who sit idly by. So unlike others who so blithely give up and stand on the sidelines, I have been out working with a campaign, and trying to jolt people online to wake them up.

It hasnt worked. The temper tantrum continues. If this is what America has become, then perhaps its inevitable that the USA will fail. But not due to my standing idly by. I suggest you consider what the cost of inactivity is, and what your personal integrity, if you have any, demands of you.

So for me, Im all in on Cruz, even though its highly unlikely he can derail Trump, only deny him a first ballot win at the Convention.

And before the accusations start flying, Perry was my first choice. I liked Carson but he was weak on 2nd Amendment and foreign policy - and has turned out to be a sellout. I would have been a Rubio guy, but he sold out to the Gang of 8 and never tried to apologize or make amends, to that's what killed his candidacy for me and many others. Bush, Kasich, that lard-ass from NJ, they are all non-starters, establishment puppets.

So Cruz it is, even though Trump likely will wrap this up in a few weeks.
Posted by Bugs Wheretch4082 2016-03-16 07:39||   2016-03-16 07:39|| Front Page Top

#7 This is Dale and other Trumpbots, in a nutshell.

Posted by Don Vito Protector of the Veps8915 2016-03-16 07:41||   2016-03-16 07:41|| Front Page Top

#8 I'm a Cruz guy too, but he is not going to win.

I find it interesting that the Trump haters on this site use the insult much like the guy they hate.
Posted by jvalentour 2016-03-16 08:37||   2016-03-16 08:37|| Front Page Top

#9 and anonymously, too.
Posted by Frank G 2016-03-16 08:50||   2016-03-16 08:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Yes, I noticed that too.
Posted by jvalentour 2016-03-16 09:40||   2016-03-16 09:40|| Front Page Top

#11 ...but that the leadership is so distanced that they believe themselves immune to the changes they are causing - leaving violence as the only answer.

Sorry chief, but that's where we're at. The Left (Dems, RINO's and oligarchs) will have to be removed by force. We are in my mind at the point of arrival at the last box. Let the festivities begin.
Posted by Spinesing Gray3122 2016-03-16 09:55||   2016-03-16 09:55|| Front Page Top

#12 The Trunk Establishment has been comfortable making the party Donk Lite. After handing them the House and Senate, their unsaid motto to their base has been - enjoy it, just lay back and take it, or from another cultural meme - you f****d up, you trusted us.

This is no longer conservatives vs liberals or socialist, this is not Trunks vs Donks (how can you tell the difference in too many cases anyway), no, these are the factions of Rome. Factions are headed by leaders, patrons, protectors because their follows have been stripped of the old protections of law. The is no law but power. The Left has succeeded in dividing, but may well be alarmed at the consequences when all their special interests can't generate enough power as the factions they've created in opposition.
Posted by Procopius2k 2016-03-16 10:10||   2016-03-16 10:10|| Front Page Top

#13 If Trump is Crassus, who're Pompey & Caesar?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-03-16 10:17||   2016-03-16 10:17|| Front Page Top

#14 The Republican establishment is of the belief that Trump cannot beat the Democrats (I suspect that is true), so they want to try any trick they can to replace him. They delude themselves if they think any of the recognized names like Bush or Romney would come any closer than Trump. And sadly, I'm sure they can't/wouldn't try to come up with a generally acceptable replacement who could win (if so, they should have run him in the primaries.) I have no problem with an open convention - negotiate a nominee if the voters don't select one by majority - plurality isn't good enough.
Posted by Glenmore 2016-03-16 10:21||   2016-03-16 10:21|| Front Page Top

#15 This morning on Drudge: We choose the nominee, not the voters: Senior GOP official (Linked)
Posted by Vast Right Wing Conspiracy 2016-03-16 10:50||   2016-03-16 10:50|| Front Page Top

#16 At this point probably no one will have a majority of delegates at the convention. That means no one is entitled to the nomination. Will the establishment try to steal it? Of course. So will Trump and everyone else. Should be interesting.
Posted by Iblis 2016-03-16 10:54||   2016-03-16 10:54|| Front Page Top

#17 And don't miss this Drudge link either - Republicans Are Addicted to Increasing Federal Spending

It's the Beltway Party. \

Just think of Donald Trump as a Corporate Raider. The old management has mucked up the company, lived off its revenue, and handed out favors to friends and family at the expense of the stock holders. By doing so, they have so devalued the stock that holders are seeking someone else to take over the mess. Yep, they're betting that value might actually come back to their holdings. Cause with the current entrenched management, their holdings are worthless. (see GM stockholders at the bailout). Not worth the paper it's printed on.
Posted by Procopius2k 2016-03-16 10:59||   2016-03-16 10:59|| Front Page Top

#18 Even if Trump does get the 'clinch' number of delegates I would expect some late rule-changing (perhaps adding super-delegates) from the GOP leadership. They do not want Trump as the nominee and don't really care that it would doom getting the Presidency (which would be a win for them as well - they would rather have Hillary or Sanders over Trump).
Posted by CrazyFool 2016-03-16 11:02||   2016-03-16 11:02|| Front Page Top

#19 The only ethical option is a massive push for Cruz in the primaries that remain. As stupid as a Trump win may sound, its preferred to selling out what remains of our soul to steal an election from him should he rightfully win it.
Posted by Crusader 2016-03-16 11:30||   2016-03-16 11:30|| Front Page Top

#20 Ethical, Crusader? You use ethical as something the GOPe might actually care about?

SMH that there are such rose colored glasses still in use.

I'm a Cruz guy now but have been closely watching politics since Barry Goldwater and the GOP of the post-Reagan era have drained me of any illusions that ethics, principles or morality have anything to do with it. The GOP is just one subdivision of the statist, beltway elite party.

If Trump is elected he has as good a chance of blowing up DC as anyone. And, no, I don't think he would.

Peak cynicism is all I got left.
Posted by AlanC 2016-03-16 11:42||   2016-03-16 11:42|| Front Page Top

#21 The GOP knuckleheads violate their own rules. Specifically 40B:
Eachcandidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States Shall demonstrate the support of the majority of the delegates from each of (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of the candidate for nomination.

Then the GOP deserves to lose everything. No candidate except Trump will have 8 or more state victories
Posted by airandee 2016-03-16 11:45||   2016-03-16 11:45|| Front Page Top

#22 The solution is for Trump to give Kasich the VP nod. That's an olive branch to the GOPe. That way Trump gets Ohio, both the delegates at the convention and the electoral votes in November. Yeah, I know, Kasich is GOPe. But that's sausage for you.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2016-03-16 11:48||   2016-03-16 11:48|| Front Page Top

#23 People voting for Trump to blow up Washington will be sorely disappointed. He is the epitome of crony capitalism. While he might force the eGOP leaders out of the party, the spending situation and favors will remain.

Cruz is the only real hope of somewhat reigning in our wild spending party.

A eGOP chosen candidate like Bush will guarantee they will be crushed and the party will die.
Posted by DarthVader 2016-03-16 11:55||   2016-03-16 11:55|| Front Page Top

#24 Darth I basically ditto your #23.

I think Trump could blow it up but I doubt he would

The forcing out of all the GOPe leaders would be a help but I think he would fit in with the proto-fascist oligarchy that runs things (see Clinton Foundation et. al.) now.
Posted by AlanC 2016-03-16 12:21||   2016-03-16 12:21|| Front Page Top

#25 I'm more for Cruz as well. But at least Trump knows how to make a payroll, unlike the majority of the beltway party.
Posted by CrazyFool 2016-03-16 12:32||   2016-03-16 12:32|| Front Page Top

#26 Darth has the truth of it. Only very rarely do individuals get elected to high office without "going native." Trump has never been elected anything (or even registered as a Republican). The safe bet is that he will go native as well.

Cruz has been there a few years without having gone native. That's rare, and worthy of support.
Posted by Iblis 2016-03-16 12:32||   2016-03-16 12:32|| Front Page Top

#27 
Cause with the current entrenched management, their holdings are worthless. (see GM stockholders at the bailout). Not worth the paper it's printed on.


Well in a recent Treasury auction of note maturing in the mid 2030s they only sold %10 of the offering. One can't help but read that as the beginning of a devolution into post WW-1 Deutchmarks.

The old guard needs to step aside.
Posted by 3dc 2016-03-16 12:40||   2016-03-16 12:40|| Front Page Top

#28 Buried in everyone's history is someone named Eisenhower. Sought by both parties. Never a party man before the 'populous' draft Ike movement. Never held political office.

No, Trump isn't Ike. However, the long list of 'he' aints doesn't match up with the real record either.
Posted by Procopius2k 2016-03-16 12:42||   2016-03-16 12:42|| Front Page Top

#29 Ike ran on a platform of undoing the New Deal. Once elected he left the New Deal in place.
Posted by Iblis 2016-03-16 12:53||   2016-03-16 12:53|| Front Page Top

#30 Nobody becomes a general without being a politician. Trump is more used to buying and selling politicians.

p.s. Cruz looks good, but so did Paul Ryan.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-03-16 13:08||   2016-03-16 13:08|| Front Page Top

#31 Rush Limbaugh - Really?
I've never got this oxycontin addict's attraction to folks.
Isn't it kind of listening to Keith Richards for business advice?
Posted by 3dc 2016-03-16 13:31||   2016-03-16 13:31|| Front Page Top

#32 Would you like Keith Richards bank account and portfolio? Google Keith Richards net worth

I'm wonder if the hate, viciousness, and manipulations being pulled by the GOPe is the thought of Trump having direct access to all that NSA intercepted traffic that Obean uses to nudge pols with.
Posted by Procopius2k 2016-03-16 13:38||   2016-03-16 13:38|| Front Page Top

#33 
I'm wonder if the hate, viciousness, and manipulations being pulled by the GOPe is the thought of Trump having direct access to all that NSA intercepted traffic that Obean uses to nudge pols with.


In addition it would include data on the other billionaires who own both the GOPe and the Democrats. For Trump Inc. it would be a goldmine! Excellent idea.
Posted by 3dc 2016-03-16 15:14||   2016-03-16 15:14|| Front Page Top

#34 If Trump wins I suspect he'll get one term. The negatives are too high and they'll get worse (If he truly fixes the economy that could change of course). After one term will there be a GOP left to contest him in the primaries? Or will it simply go over to the Donks?
Posted by rjschwarz 2016-03-16 15:20||   2016-03-16 15:20|| Front Page Top

#35 He'll certainly fix his own economy.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-03-16 15:21||   2016-03-16 15:21|| Front Page Top

#36 
Posted by 3dc 2016-03-16 15:54||   2016-03-16 15:54|| Front Page Top

#37 thought of Trump having direct access to all that NSA intercepted traffic

IMO, senior bureaucrats cooperate with Obama's illegal orders because of shared goals. Why would they cooperate with Trump?






























Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-03-16 17:06||   2016-03-16 17:06|| Front Page Top

#38 Looks like vulture Soros is trying to fund instability through Moveon.org etc. during this election cycle. Charge him and extradite him to the US to stand trial if serious events occur.
Posted by Ho Chi Crinens5363  2016-03-16 17:25||   2016-03-16 17:25|| Front Page Top

#39 Why would they cooperate with Trump?

To save their pensions. Trump has enough people to quickly replace a lot of the upper bureaucracy that does not have Civil Service protection. Trump is smart enough to recall what happened to Bush in keeping carry overs.
Posted by Procopius2k 2016-03-16 17:32||   2016-03-16 17:32|| Front Page Top

#40 Was talking about top civil servants---it's permanent undersecretary types who run thing AND set policy.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-03-16 17:38||   2016-03-16 17:38|| Front Page Top

#41 thing ---> things

set ---> actually determine
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-03-16 17:39||   2016-03-16 17:39|| Front Page Top

#42 I suspect, facing a brokered convention that would give the nomination to a third person, Cruz and Trump would make nice.
Posted by rjschwarz 2016-03-16 18:42||   2016-03-16 18:42|| Front Page Top

#43 Soros? Where did that come from? But it figures he would have a hand and money in this somewhere. Backing Hillary, right? Or is he buying Bernie as an insurance policy? Or is he funding Ayers and the would-be rioters?

You want true evil, go no further than Soros, a craven excuse for a human being who sold out fellow Jews to the Nazis.
Posted by Pliny Choth3689 2016-03-16 20:11||   2016-03-16 20:11|| Front Page Top

#44 Must mean the future CPUSA of Amerika, the OWG Mighty USSA versus the OWG Weak USRoA Global SSR, where the POTUS = General Secretary + Chairman as chosen by the CPUSA Politburo + Central Committee FKA the Pro-Socialist "Unitarian" Congress + "archaic" Two-Party System.

But I digress ...
Posted by JosephMendiola 2016-03-16 21:12||   2016-03-16 21:12|| Front Page Top

#45 I cannot believe the GOPe is still talking about selecting someone they want. They hate Cruz and fear Trump so much they would rather destroy the GOP?

Maybe its time the GOP needs to be torn apart if this is what it has become. These dogs in DC are not the heirs of Reagan and Goldwater.
Posted by Thrailing Slaque2697 2016-03-16 21:28||   2016-03-16 21:28|| Front Page Top

#46 Here is my take on the Trump Phenomenon®.

Trump has got on step in his campaign with the anger and fury of people that have been betrayed by the mainstream GOP establishment. Their anger at the betrayal of the GOPe toward the voters that have changed the composition of the House and Senate, and EVERY TIME the GOPe has betrayed this trust by giving the farm away to the dems and O&Co. People have had enough. Trump's bombast and outsider remarks have galvanized many of the public.

I would imagine that a lot of working dems feel the same way about the Democrat establishment. What is your choice?

  • A moonbat socialist?

  • A pathological liar and career criminal that gets a pass?


Who do you have in the republican bullpen?

  • Kasich?

  • Cruze?

  • Trump?


You have only one who is perceived as an outsider. Problem is that he is acting like a bully and not presidential.

He needs to quit attacking his opponents and to tell how he is going to downsize the power and size of government. He needs a tip from Ross Perot and have simple messages and simple visual aids to show how the government as is cannot survive---it is not sustainable.

Then he needs to offer solutions that inspire. Keep it simple, messages bite size so that they can be digested.

If he does that, he will rock the establishment and win hands down.

The worst thing the GOPe could do is to try to sabotage Trump in a backroom deal to manipulate the outcome of the convention. They do that and the anger will become fury. The GOPe will be finished.

If Hillary or Bernie gets in, the country will accelerate into bankruptcy and eventual collapse.

Regardless of Trump, Hillary, et al, this country is going headlong into a crisis. We have to face the crisis and see it through, or it will see us through. It's show time. There are not good choices. Just least awful alternatives.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-03-16 23:36||   2016-03-16 23:36|| Front Page Top

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