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2013-11-26 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Obama Defends Iran Deal, Rejects 'Tough Talk, Bluster'

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Posted by Fred 2013-11-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top
File under: Govt of Iran

#1 Obama & tough talk mix like oil & water...

Posted by Raj 2013-11-26 00:08|| 2013-11-26 00:08|| Front Page Top

#2 Didn't Chamberlin say much the same thing to critics of his 'Peace in our time!' claim?

Posted by CrazyFool 2013-11-26 01:00|| 2013-11-26 01:00|| Front Page Top

#3 See FREEREPUBLIC > [Breitbart]DEAL LETS IRAN KEEP HALF OF 98%-ENRICHED URANIUM STOCKPILE.

and

* SAME > [NYT] OBAMA SIGNALS A SHIFT FROM MILITARY MIGHT TO DIPLOMACY.

Given the traditional reluctance of Muslim Govts-Societies to take direct action, espec Mil action, agz other Muslim Govts-Societies, BAMMERIKA'S NEW BFF + FUTURE OWG GLOBAL "CO-SUPERPOWER" SHIA IRAN MUST SHOW THAT THINGS ARE PROACTIVELY "DIFFERENT" NOW, OR WILL BE FROM TIME HENCE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-26 01:12|| 2013-11-26 01:12|| Front Page Top

#4 Good that Obama rejects tough talk, because coming out of his mouth, nobody believed it anyway. That is, unless it was directed at the Tea Party and other domestic "enemies".

Posted by OldSpook 2013-11-26 06:17|| 2013-11-26 06:17|| Front Page Top

#5 Its such a good deal, which is why is was signed at 03:00 local time, I think that would be right after the second half kickoff, in a palace on foreign soil, blindsiding the general press other than the morning bobbleheads who hardly anybody watches?

And with this administrations track record, and concerning Iran, the response to people who have questions or concerns is, "Shutup; we have to ratify the treaty for you to find out what is in it."

We have heard these promises before Mr. President. How about

"If you like your nuclear non-proliferation treaty, you can keep it. Period."

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-26 12:07|| 2013-11-26 12:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Is he gonna draw another red line, I wonder?

Posted by Bobby 2013-11-26 12:33|| 2013-11-26 12:33|| Front Page Top

#7 Bobby, when Tel Aviv disappears under a mushroo cloud, Obama will be very, very angry at Iran. That's his red line. Of course he won't do anything about it other than to introduce a UN resolution condemning Israel for their response.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-11-26 12:57|| 2013-11-26 12:57|| Front Page Top

#8 I'm going to take exception to the general consensus here.

First, I'm not clear when the 'deal' actually begins. There have been no inspections scheduled and no sanction changes yet. It may be that another 'deal' implementing the 'deal' needs to be done.

Second, depending on the extent of the inspections, we could learn quite a bit about Iran's program including how to destroy key pieces of it, how to sabotage and the extent of damage done by malware attacks. The latter could be used relatively quickly in implementing follow up malware attacks.

Third, while it is true that the mullah economy gets some pretty big goodies, it remains to be seen how much they will actually benefit. Iran oil production has been ramped way down the past few months. It is obvious that sanctions are part of the reason but also, there may be long term damage to their oil reservoirs. Additionally, there are a lot of oil sellers (one big one in Saudi Arabia) who will be aggressively competing for customers and Iran might not be able to regain all the buyers they had two years ago.

Fourth, although the 'deal' doesn't cover ballistic missiles (unfortunately) and Iran will continue to develop those, Israel will continue to develop its ballistic defenses. I'm not sure who the timing favors here but it certainly is more of a mixed bag than a completely one sided Iran favored bag.

So it is not as gloomy as it could be.

Notwithstanding the above, I wish Iran was getting less sanction relief and I wish Iran would have been compelled to eliminate their enrichment capability.

Posted by lord garth 2013-11-26 14:02|| 2013-11-26 14:02|| Front Page Top

#9 There may be more at play here than simple inspections and sanction lifting, especially since it has been made a big deal out of, rather than we agreed to some mutual concessions to be followed through we have policy dancing and detractor insulting - which will tie the administration to any threat of cancellation the Iranians wave about; can't have champ embarrassed and we have seen the lengths they go through to protect the image. IMHO, with the threat to walk away from talks, Iran also gets:

Assad will get to keep Syria, with Iranian reinforcements.

USA cannot get caught supplying weapons to anti-Assad groups.

Pappy pointed out yesterday Iran can increase its influence in Lebanon.

Iran has been working on the cheap for some time now, and now has a return on investment via military actions. Why not take the prize money and make other military investments?

Prevent the Washington carrier group from returning.

And Obama gets his piece of paper allowing him to not participate in any fighting, and to even scold governments who participate in any strikes or overt war.

If I have my timeline right, these negotiations were going on the same time there were war drums for Syria. I thought I saw something about this deal being a year in the making...if true, what happened just a bit over a year ago?

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-26 15:21|| 2013-11-26 15:21|| Front Page Top

#10 Makes one wonder if perhaps the Iranians many have had a little something to do with events in Benghazi, or elsewhere. Certainly appears to be an ongoing reluctance by the regime to discuss the poo or provide an accounting. Just a thought.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-26 15:28|| 2013-11-26 15:28|| Front Page Top

#11 If you recall, that was something we discussed in the immediate aftermath, meneer.

Posted by Pappy 2013-11-26 16:28|| 2013-11-26 16:28|| Front Page Top

#12 Yes, indeed we did. Appears we're not the only ones discussing it either.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-11-26 16:39|| 2013-11-26 16:39|| Front Page Top

#13 Makes for an interesting story. Iranian hit squad ambushes US Personelle supplying weapons to anti-Assad forces. Talks open after the election is concluded, in the meantime every effort possible is made to not have a finger point at anyone to avoid going to war comments until after the election results. Negotiations and ops continue in Syria's back and forth. The mysterious gas attack in Syria opens an opportunity for the US/Euro to use real force rather than proxy armies and get talked down by poor messaging and strong Putin, reducing the US hand at the negotiating table. Egypt boots Morsi, also eroding the US hand. Iran sees the ACA face plant, says they walk with everything if there are additional sanctions. So we get this.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-26 17:06|| 2013-11-26 17:06|| Front Page Top

#14 Besoeker's link is interesting.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-11-26 17:10|| 2013-11-26 17:10|| Front Page Top

#15 * TOPIX > CAN IRAN [Nuclear] DEAL HELP SYRIA?

We'll find out soon enough - iff Rising Shia Iran hopes to achieve + prove its worth as the World's first Islamic Superpower/Nuclear Superpower = OWG Global "Co-Superpower" par wid the US + Other, IT CAN DO SO HELPING TO DEFEAT OR DESTROY THE PRO-SUNNI, PRO-JIHAD QAEDA BOYZ + ALIGNED.

RISING IRAN + RISING CHINA = THE WORST-CASE? "LITMUS TESTS" FOR THE POST/EXTRA-NATIONALISM-SOVEREIGNTY-CONSTITUTIONALIST FUTURE OWG-NWO = FUTURE SPACE GOVT-ORDER + GLOBALIST PREMISE/CONCEPT OF A POST-COLD WAR "MULTIPOLAR/
POLYCENTRIC WORLD".

Thusly of course ...

* TOPIX > [Right Wing News = RWN] AMERICA'S ENEMIES ARE ACTIVELY PREPARING FOR NUCLEAR WAR.

* SAME > [Japan Times] CHINA PLAYS LONG GAME WID NEW AIR DEFENSE ZONE.

Ditto IRAN + IRAN'S NEW EXTERNAL PROTO-
"SUPERPOWER"? "SPHERE(S) OF INFLUENCE", I.E. IRAQ + SYRIA + LEBANON, ETC. TO COME???

I think so.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-26 19:47|| 2013-11-26 19:47|| Front Page Top

#16 My bad - forgot to add ...

* TOPIX > [Lucianne] IRAN, NORTH KOREA SECRETLY DEVELOPING LONG-RANGE ROCKET BOOSTER FOR ICBMS.

* SAME > IRAN, NORTH KOREA SECRETLY DEVELOPED NEW ROCKET BOOSTER DURING GENEVA TALKS.

As per the DPRK, NE ASIA = the only Pert-verified remaining region in the world where the POST-1945 = COLD WAR "STATUS QUO" still exists.

Something has to change the Balance of Power = Geopol/MilPol Calculus per the above in NE Asia, + THAT SOMETHING IS NOKOR HAVING NUKES.

NOKOR NUKES = SOKOR, ETAL. HAVING NUKES + US-LED GMD-TMD = STRATEGIC OFFENSIVE, DEFENSIVE DETERRENCE AGZ CHINA = FORMAL KOREAN REUNIFICATION CAN FINALLY TAKE PLACE.

Again, as per the "Great Game" + "Murphy's Laws" [anything that can go wrong will go wrong], the danger for [pro-Parity] US Globalists is that such moves will be interpreted as de facto strategic weakness on the part of America's = Amerika's competitors + enemies, INSPIRING THEM TO ATTEMPT TO TAKE OVER FROM THE US BY ANY AND ALL MEANS NECESSARY, PEACEFULLY OR MILITARILY.

REAGAN-BUSH 42 "PEACE THRU STRENGTH" + "TRUST BUT VERIFY" = OWG GLOBALIST, OBAMA "PEACE THRU WEAKNESS" OR "D *** NG IT, YOU CAN KEEP IT [SSSHHHH...CCCC NOT]"???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-26 20:08|| 2013-11-26 20:08|| Front Page Top

#17 BIGNEWSNETWORK > AFTER IRAN NUKE DEAL THE NEXT STEP IS TO END MIDDLE EAST PROXY WAR IN SYRIA.

Well yeah, I thought that was [SSSSHHH ... CCCC covertly] the whole point???

[MIGHTY HOMER SIMPSON-IAN "DOH-H-H"! here].

D *** NG IT, DON'T FORCE TO SEND ME MICHELLE "I DON'T DO LADYLIKE/EAT PHOTONS, SPACE BITCHES" RODRIQUEZ OR COTE D'PABLO OVER THERE!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-11-26 21:43|| 2013-11-26 21:43|| Front Page Top

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