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2012-05-31 Science & Technology

Israeli researchers find American Indians with Jewish genetic markers

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Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-05-31 00:21|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 Oh crap. Next thing we'll hear is Elizabeth Warren claiming she's Jewish.

Posted by gorb 2012-05-31 07:01|| 2012-05-31 07:01|| Front Page Top

#2 Hmmm, did they precede the Mayflower?

Posted by Redneck Jim 2012-05-31 07:05|| 2012-05-31 07:05|| Front Page Top

#3 Confirms the amazing physical similarities of General Moshe Dayan and Tonto.

Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-31 07:17|| 2012-05-31 07:17|| Front Page Top

#4 Mormons were on the right track all along?

Posted by Spot 2012-05-31 07:55|| 2012-05-31 07:55|| Front Page Top

#5 These things happen. Tay-Sachs disease occurs mainly in three populations: Ashkenazi Jews, Louisiana Cajuns, and French Canadians. The first two groups show the same mutation, while the third has a different one. Was a "secret Jew" the reason for the Cajun incidence? Who knows?

Posted by Eric Jablow 2012-05-31 08:14|| 2012-05-31 08:14|| Front Page Top

#6 Swamp People ?

Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-31 08:16|| 2012-05-31 08:16|| Front Page Top

#7 So. Six hundred years ago was 1412. Okay. They got expelled and one shipload ended up further west than they intended when they'd set off for...England? Or someplace. And there they were, on Cape Cod.
Then they went to Colorado?
Or the band with whom they intermarried went to Colorado?
Stranger things have happened. But you need to account for getting to Colorado somehow.

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2012-05-31 08:20|| 2012-05-31 08:20|| Front Page Top

#8 Any American Indian with French or Spanish ancestry could fall into this category. Some of the "expelled" Jews moved to the Western hemisphere with other Spanish migrants after 1492, and some escaped north into France, went 'native' there (some even became Huguenots) and then sailed to New France with other French migrants. Theoretically both the Spanish and French governments of the time prohibited Jews from becoming colonists, but they went anyway. We already know many of the early Spanish & French male arrivals in the western hemisphere took Indian wives. And there you have it.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-05-31 11:43|| 2012-05-31 11:43|| Front Page Top

#9 The first thoroughly documented Jewish settler in Michigan was Ezekiel Solomon, born about 1740, who moved to British North America and became a fur trader. He was taken captive by Indians when Fort Michilimackinac was sacked 2 June 1763, then turned over to more friendly Ottawas, who got him back to Montreal. Ezekiel married a part-Ojibwe woman, had many children, who also had many children. There are most likely descendants of his in several of the tribes around the Great Lakes, although I don't have their names. They still have reunions at the Straits of Mackinac.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-05-31 11:44|| 2012-05-31 11:44|| Front Page Top

#10 Spanish migrants after 1492, and some escaped north into France, went 'native' there (some even became Huguenots) Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418

Not to be confused with...Hottentots.

Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-31 11:50|| 2012-05-31 11:50|| Front Page Top

#11 Interesting. There have been some unusual archaeolgical finds over the years: the Paraibo inscription in Phoenician claiming to have sailed for Hiram, King of Tyre and Solomon's mariner, and blown off course while circumnavigating the Land of Ham (Africa) and a bracelet from an indigenous grave in TN made of a copper alloy from the ME and inscribed in paleoHebrew. The ancient houses in Pueblo CO also resemble the old square mudbrick houses and storage rooms of the Israelites and cliff dwellings not unlike those used when under siege. More recently, many of the sailors and the financiers of Columbus' journeys were Jewish conversos, fleeing the Inquisition. They were granted freedom and 80% of the booty for sailing when banned in most of Europe, so even though they adopted an acceptable Catholic name, they may have been hiding from persecution. My ancestors came from France to Canada over 300 years ago, noting a name change in genealogy research; an old document mentioned "the Iron-fisted" rule of Catholicism behind the 'dit' change. I also received a letter from the FtDNA project I was part of that I carried the BRCA1 gene, alerting me it was sometimes associated with breast cancer. Also some of my genetic matches were also of Ashkenazi and Sepphardic traditions but we have no immediate family histories that would be Jewish, although the line came through Northern Europe. This study was to trace human migration out of Afrrica and goes back millennia, so it may support this idea. Israel was deported around 722 BC, leaving Judah to the captivity in Babylon in 586 BC. The Sea Peoples were renowned sailors--and the old name of Denmark is "Dan-mark", one of the lost tribes associated with them on the Phoenician coast. Maybe the Vikings are a lost tribe?

Posted by Danielle 2012-05-31 11:58|| 2012-05-31 11:58|| Front Page Top

#12 Jackson Two-Bears: [after slugging someone during a brawl] Sholom Aleichem!
"Cat Ballou" 1965

Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839 2012-05-31 11:59|| 2012-05-31 11:59|| Front Page Top

#13 But you need to account for getting to Colorado somehow. Not really. Individual natives & whole tribes traveled long distances regularly. The Cheyenne language is Algonquin, related to languages spoken around the Great Lakes & the east coast of North America. Languages spoken by the Navajos and Apaches of the southwestern deserts are very similar to languages spoken by Athabaskan Indians in northwest Canada and eastern Alaska. The origin myths of several tribes indicated they have moved from other parts of North America centuries back. Santa Fe NM was founded in 1598, and trade links were established with tribes in what is now southern Colorado, although the first permanent Euro settlement there was as late as 1851.
Jewish-related genetic markers have already been established in descendants of Spanish colonists in southern CO (particularly the BRCA1 gene) and French Canadians in the north, so finding the same in Indian tribes is not remarkable. See "Secret Jews of the San Luis Valley"
-- French Canadian families with surnames Gelinas and Bellemare claim to descend from a Jewish ancestor who arrived in New France in 1658 -- many of his descendants are now members of various American Indian tribes.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-05-31 12:15|| 2012-05-31 12:15|| Front Page Top

#14 Well, most of the Sephardic Jews were expelled some 500 years ago, and a lot are thought to have settled in what is now Northern Mexico and New Mexico; that's probably the proximate source of the mutation.

(It's either that or Mel Brooks has been around for thousands of years or something like that).

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-05-31 13:35|| 2012-05-31 13:35|| Front Page Top

#15 FWIW, this also ties in with the Los Lunas Decalogue Stone.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-05-31 13:38|| 2012-05-31 13:38|| Front Page Top

#16 Anguper. I know about tribal movements. It's been said the Apaches were chased out of the northern plains by the Lakota, went south, were chased out of Texas by the Cheyenne and ended up in the SW deserts. The Aztecs spoke a Uto-Aztecan language, possibly related to language groups in ....Utah. The Lakota got run out of the pretty fat Great Lakes basin by, iirc, the Ottawa.
All good. But nobody went TO the intermontane west.
See droughts beginning about the thirteenth century.
For some reason, the Anasazi, or their descendants, decided to live in really neat cliff houses, which were a pain to build and to live in if you don't get a cut from the tourist gawkers. Beats being down where you don't have to sweat a climb with a bucket of water. Not. Why?
Nope. Not seeing CO as a destination.

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2012-05-31 20:48|| 2012-05-31 20:48|| Front Page Top

#17 Steve Berry's new novel claims Colombus and crew were Jewish, given Letters of Marque, and other documents claim he willed his gold and fortune to future descendents "in perpetuity"...the Judeo-Christian heritage of America is reinforced it appears.

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