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2012-02-01 -Election 2012

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Posted by Fred 2012-02-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top

#1 By most accounts, despite his NOT-THE-US-BATTLESHIP-OKLAHOMA Florida victoire', the MITT-VS-NEWT GOP RACE REMAINS WIDE OPEN.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-02-01 00:16|| 2012-02-01 00:16|| Front Page Top

#2 I used to think that my countrymen (Israelis) have a collective death wish.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-02-01 02:38|| 2012-02-01 02:38|| Front Page Top

#3 the name willard was from his father's friend Willard Marriot (yes, the founder of the Marriot Corp.)

Posted by Lord Garth 2012-02-01 06:36|| 2012-02-01 06:36|| Front Page Top

#4 Good Stuff! America Needs a turnaround artist, and they need to turnaround FAST!

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-02-01 06:57|| 2012-02-01 06:57|| Front Page Top

#5 Mitt outspend Newt by a huge margin. He won't be able to outspend Obama.

Turnout was DOWN 14%. Why? Because this was a Republican primary. Mitt and the media have been able to hurt Newt, but they still can't appeal to conservatives.

Romney will lose the election. The sad irony is that the very idiots who want to nominate him will blame conservatives for his loss.

Posted by Iblis 2012-02-01 10:12|| 2012-02-01 10:12|| Front Page Top

#6 Sure, which countries should he raid? How about starting with Britain? He could also outsource our allegiance to the Chinese. Whoops, Billy was there first.

Posted by Shimble Guelph5793 2012-02-01 10:20|| 2012-02-01 10:20|| Front Page Top

#7 Mitt outspend Newt by a huge margin.

I heard $16 million out of a total $20 million for all candidates. Mitt's gonna embarrass Barry by being the first billion dollar politician.

Posted by Shimble Guelph5793 2012-02-01 10:23|| 2012-02-01 10:23|| Front Page Top

#8 "I heard $16 million out of a total $20 million for all candidates. Mitt's gonna embarrass Barry by being the first billion dollar politician."

Yes, he outspent Newt 4-1 in Florida and only 2-1 in SC.

Another way to look at this - Romney ran 65 TV ads for every 1 of Newt's.

But you miss the point entirely. Obama will outspend Romney. Where do you think all that stimulus, Solyndria, etc money is going? Right back into Obama's campaign coffers is where. If Romney raises a billion then Obama will raise 2.

Posted by Iblis 2012-02-01 10:46|| 2012-02-01 10:46|| Front Page Top

#9 And it seems that I am not the only one who thinks so.

Posted by Iblis 2012-02-01 11:00|| 2012-02-01 11:00|| Front Page Top

#10 Obama has been ghosting the Republican primary on the taxpayer dime, is that included in the 2:1?

Maybe there is a campaign law expert out there, I know a president has the bully pulpit and all but can a president call out individual candidates and not count it as a campaign event?

Posted by swksvolFF 2012-02-01 11:33|| 2012-02-01 11:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Iblis: The sad irony is that the very idiots who want to nominate him will blame conservatives for his loss.

The 'idiots' will be correct.

The 'true' conservatives (how you define that I don't know, perhaps, like Spectre, they have tattoos) don't like Mittens at all. Sure fine, but to borrow the Rumsfeld saying, you go into an election with the candidates you have. If the 'true' conservatives wanted somebody different, they should have gotten that person to run, run well, and win.

But they didn't so now they're going to sulk. This includes the libertarian-conservatives who demand that the Pubs nominate a candidate that pleases them without lifting a damned finger to help out (yeah, I'm looking at you Bill Quick).

It's utter horseshit, of course.

Mittens may not be conservative enough to please some, but he's way, way better than the flaming socialist we currently have in power. I remind the Bill Quick acolytes that they sat on their hands in '06 and '08 because they didn't like the Pub choices and the Pub spending and corruption. How'd that work out for your ideals, fellas? Are we more libertarian today because Barack Obama is President, we had Nancy Pelosi as Speaker, and we still have Dingy Harry as Majority Leader?

Moses may have led his people to wonder the Sinai for forty years so as to purify them, but it wasn't fun for the people walking around in the baking sun.

Perspective matters. We will not (as Inspector Clouseau might say) go from a blue to a crimson nation in one swell foop. It takes time. It takes a lot of work. We've seen our country go as far left as it has because the progressives have spent the last half-century out-hustling conservatives and libertarians. You will NOT change that in one election.

Mittens may not be my kind of guy. But if it's Mittens versus the fumbling, bumbling, incompetent, malevolent Bambi in November, Mittens it shall be. Provide him with a tea-party motivated (or at least fearful) House and a more Pub Senate, and we'll begin to turn the country. Some. A little. And then I'd better see the Quick acolytes rolling up their sleeves and pushing like hell to make a difference.

Mittens. Newt. Religious Rick. Whoever. The 'perfect' candidate for the 'true' conservatives, for the Quick acolytes, isn't running. You got what you got. Make a choice. Stand behind whoever wins. Vote.

As the wise old Mr. Buckley said, you vote for the most conservative candidate electable.

Q: why is a syphilitic camel a better candidate than Barack Obama?
A: you can cure syphilis.

Posted by Steve White 2012-02-01 12:13|| 2012-02-01 12:13|| Front Page Top

#12 Still, if you'd taken Santorum out of the race it would have been a horse race. That's assuming Santorum votes would have gone to Newt which may or may not be a valid assumption. But it does look as though Santorum should take this opportunity to bow out gracefully.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-02-01 12:13|| 2012-02-01 12:13|| Front Page Top

#13 Mittens may not be conservative enough to please some, but he's way, way better than the flaming socialist we currently have in power.

Yeah. I even voted for McCain. I held my nose and did it. Or, as ZZ Top said, "Ain't all good but it's what we got."

But then, the primaries aren't over yet. I'm still hoping that Newt will hold on until the June primary in California. Hmmm. Maybe I should send him some money.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-02-01 12:20|| 2012-02-01 12:20|| Front Page Top

#14 If you look at the 4 remaining candidates, their election records are as follows:

Santorum: W 4 L 1 80.0%
Gingrich: W 11 L 2 84.6%
Paul: W 12 L 2 85.7%
Romney: W 1 L 2 33.3%

Since Romney won in FL among voters who consider "electability" to be important, we need to ask "Why does Romney do so poorly when facing actual democrats?"

Posted by Frozen Al 2012-02-01 13:21|| 2012-02-01 13:21|| Front Page Top

#15 Al, apples and oranges. Paul and Gingrich were running in stacked GOP congressional districts. Those are as close to automatic as you can get, short of the old Soviet Union or a gerrymandered "minority" congressional district. Winning those hardly proves any electoral prowess for national office, otherwise Shelia Jackson Lee would be leading the U.S.

Posted by Tamir Pardo 2012-02-01 13:55|| 2012-02-01 13:55|| Front Page Top

#16 Steve White:

I recall all these same points being made about Dole and McCain. Sorry, not buying it.

Posted by Iblis 2012-02-01 14:38|| 2012-02-01 14:38|| Front Page Top

#17 Romney FINNALLY wins a primary. After a recount Santorum won Idaho, Newt won South Carolina, and Mitt wins Florida. Does anyone think Mitt will win in Texas where over 50 delegates are at stake. No.

Posted by Ebbaique Spereting5364 2012-02-01 16:25|| 2012-02-01 16:25|| Front Page Top

#18 Iblis: politics belongs to those who show up. Sit on your hands and you are guaranteed 1) your views won't be heard and 2) your hands will start to hurt.

Dole was no prize but he was better than Clinton, as events showed. McCain was certainly no prize but I'd take him today over Obama.

Posted by Steve White 2012-02-01 17:18|| 2012-02-01 17:18|| Front Page Top

#19 SW:

I'll be caucusing next week for the first time ever. And I will stand up and explain why I think Romney is a big, fat idiot. And it will make no difference whatsoever. But thanks anyway for your pointless advice.

Dole was no prize but he was better than Clinton, as events showed. McCain was certainly no prize but I'd take him today over Obama.

Exactly the kind of mistaken reasoning that keeps getting us into this sort of mess. Yes, either of our lame guys would have been better than their guy -- BUT OUR GUYS LOST! It's a false choice, as in, you don't get to choose between Romney and Obama, because Romney will lose.

Another tidbit --

43% of Romney's vote (about 300,000) in FL was early voting cast in December when Romney spent $5m and no one else had the money to compete there. In January Romney spent another $12m and picked up just 400,000 more votes.

He sucks. He's going to lose. People who don't get that will blame everyone else, but the fact is Romney is a suicidal pick for the party. I'm telling you now, so don't even go off on some tangent about showing up.

Posted by Iblis 2012-02-01 17:37|| 2012-02-01 17:37|| Front Page Top

#20 Iblis, try asking them why the MSM is pushing Romney so hard. Obvious answer (since they're in the tank for Bambi): They know something about Romney, but they're hiding it until late October in an effort to boost Bambi. >:-(

Posted by Barbara 2012-02-01 18:10|| 2012-02-01 18:10|| Front Page Top

#21 Obama and his Generals have been shaping the General Election battlefield for over a year (99% v 1%, Wall Street Fat Cats, Rich not paying their fair share, Cayman Islands, etc. etc.). They are drooling at the opportunity to face Romney.

They will be able to articulate the difference between the start-up successes of Bain and the huge profits made ala the Gordon Gekko type loading of weak companies with debt and making 10s of millions before they fall. Newt's foolish use of Bain in his campaign doesn't mean the Dem Opposition research didn't already have a lot worse dirt on Bain already in the can.

While Wall Street Goldman Sachs types got rich too many people saw there 401ks turn into 101ks. So far Romney is champ in Goldman Sachs political donation money.

Yup, Romney is the most electable or was he the next in line like Dole and McCain. I sometimes wonder if people like Daniels, Christie et al were advised to sit this out.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2012-02-01 19:07|| 2012-02-01 19:07|| Front Page Top

#22 P.S. Newt had a lot against him in Florida, early voting that took place when he was in the tank in Iowa, Advertising wise he had a pocket knife in a gunfight, and he let himself get into a pissing contest with a skunk. This is not to fail to mention he look tired and confused in the debates.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2012-02-01 19:16|| 2012-02-01 19:16|| Front Page Top

#23 Interesting debate. Not sure who I agree with.

FWIW, just gonna toss in my $0.02. I try to take the big-picture approach (like, sitting on the moon, watching these silly earthlings). Sometimes the details distract from, rather than clarify, the longer trendline.

Thusly, all the way up to the first week of Nov. 2008, I said I'd eat my hat if B.O. won the election. Well. I ate my hat.

Lesson learned: we're in uncharted territory. The rules we grew up with don't apply anymore, so never say never. Also, I badly underestimated the "anyone-but-Bush" factor, which hurt all Republicans to some degree. Maybe I am now overestimating the "anyone-but-Obama" factor, but, 9 months out, I still think Tweedledee just might pull this off.

Posted by RandomJD 2012-02-01 21:52|| 2012-02-01 21:52|| Front Page Top

#24 If that was "Mittens" finest hour; "We're toast".

Oh, Almighty G+D in Heaven, "Please, help us all". Please continue to bless Israel, America and our allies. I pray in Jesus' name, Amen.

Posted by Lonzo the Lesser4370 2012-02-01 23:52|| 2012-02-01 23:52|| Front Page Top

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