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2012-01-22 -Election 2012

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Posted by Fred 2012-01-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 As long as it's not a slap fight.

Posted by badanov 2012-01-22 00:10|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2012-01-22 00:10|| Front Page Top

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-01-22 00:13|| 2012-01-22 00:13|| Front Page Top

#3 FOX + CNN PERTS = Newt's win in South Carolina has thrown the GOP race wide open, including a possible three-way vee Santorum or Paul.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-01-22 02:29|| 2012-01-22 02:29|| Front Page Top

#4 with an assist by ABC and John King/CNN.

Posted by Frank G 2012-01-22 08:19|| 2012-01-22 08:19|| Front Page Top

#5 You know that no one arriving at the convention with the first draft votes isn't necessarily a bad thing. You'll be able to tell when the RINOs and country club Trunks start talking up how terrible it would be.

Posted by Procopius2k 2012-01-22 08:21|| 2012-01-22 08:21|| Front Page Top

#6 including a possible three-way vee Santorum or Paul.

As long as they don't make a pr0n film out of it...

Posted by badanov 2012-01-22 09:50|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2012-01-22 09:50|| Front Page Top

#7 Newt Gingrich doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Rio in the general election. According to RCP's latest polling, Obama has him by 11 points. Not a single Democrat is going to cross over and vote for Newt and few Independents will either considering a large number if Independents are center Democrats. Because of what Gingrich did to Bill Clinton while he himself was doing the exact same thing, no center Dems are going to cast a vote for him except in open primaries in order to gain him the nomination so they can destroy him in the general.

Current Rasmussen polling had Gingrich up by 2 points. It looks like a lot of Democrats voted in the Republican primary (SC is an open primary state and there is no Democrat running against Obama so no need to vote in the Dem primary). Even looking at the numbers, it appears that 80% of SC Republicans stayed home and didn't even cast votes in the primary.

The LAST thing Republicans need is Newt Gingrich winning the nomination. It is a 100% absolute guaranteed loss if he does. Every vote for Newt in the primaries is a vote for Obama. Obama will absolutely crush Newt. Democrats WANT a center Republican they can vote for as an alternative to Obama, but they can't bring themselves to vote for Gingrich. They have an axe to grind and would be quite willing to suffer another four years of Obama to humiliate Gingrich.

Posted by crosspatch 2012-01-22 21:13|| 2012-01-22 21:13|| Front Page Top

#8 the only good thing about Newt is that Romney has to shift right to stay with him. Get Romney to start pledging on right issues and we can work with that

Posted by Frank G 2012-01-22 21:50|| 2012-01-22 21:50|| Front Page Top

#9 None of that shift right stuff ever lasts. The wobbly ones talk conservative and then melt right back into mush and start creating new government programs, mandates and cabinet level revenue sponges.

Posted by Super Hose 2012-01-22 23:22|| 2012-01-22 23:22|| Front Page Top

#10 I can understand a lot of the more conservative Republicans feeling Newt is closer to their own personal feelings. That's a valid position. But none of that does any good if you put a candidate up there who can't win.

Newt can't come too far right or he alienates Independents and center Democrats. The DNC does not want Romney as the nominee because if he is, there will be another wave of crossovers like there was for Reagan against Carter. Having Newt as the candidate pretty much ensures that won't happen because center Democrats *hate* Gingrich, or at least the ones who were politically aware during Clinton's administration do.

The far left Democrats will vote for Obama, if given a choice of Newt, the center Dems will, too, or they just stay home and don't vote at all. If offered a choice of Romney, many of those Dems jump ship. That's why Obama is polling ahead of Newt by 11 but ahead of Romney by only 2. The difference is independents and center Dems. Losing to Gingrich might actually improve his cred with those people, too.

Since Obama isn't running against anyone, look for Democrats to vote for Gingrich in droves in open primaries such as California.

Posted by crosspatch 2012-01-22 23:23|| 2012-01-22 23:23|| Front Page Top

#11 Put another way, I can respect someone more to the right who might support Santorum. I can't respect someone supporting Newt. It was the conservatives who threw him out of Congress.

Santorum is polling better than Newt against Obama. RCP average of -9 vs -11 for Newt. If a conservative doesn't like Romney, fine, support Santorum, in my opinion, but not Newt. That is a guaranteed losing bet.

Newt also has the worst negatives of any candidate in the field. He can't win, please don't push him. If you want to support a conservative, support Santorum.

Posted by crosspatch 2012-01-22 23:49|| 2012-01-22 23:49|| Front Page Top

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