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2010-08-25 Arabia

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Posted by Fred 2010-08-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [9 views ] Top

#1 sad you would give propaganda trash like this space on your blog

Posted by Glinegum Sforza6048 2010-08-25 01:02|| 2010-08-25 01:02|| Front Page Top

#2 History of Israel 1850-Present
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

Posted by Mike Hunt 2010-08-25 01:05|| 2010-08-25 01:05|| Front Page Top

#3 Sometimes its beneficial to see how the enemies mind works and what twisted strands of illogic they weave to come up with their beliefs.

As distasteful as that might be.

Anyone have any disinfectant?

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-08-25 01:11|| 2010-08-25 01:11|| Front Page Top

#4 Facts are available to these who are interested in facts, MH. Of course, if the World populace was interested in facts, Islam would be treated as a desease to be eradicated.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-08-25 02:12|| 2010-08-25 02:12|| Front Page Top

#5 "To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy."
--Sun Tzu

Posted by gromky 2010-08-25 03:01|| 2010-08-25 03:01|| Front Page Top

#6 "sad you would give propaganda trash like this space on your blog"
Posted by: Glinegum Sforza6048 2010-08-25 01:02

People's minds are changed through observation and not through argument.

Will Rogers

Posted by Black Charlie 2010-08-25 07:34|| 2010-08-25 07:34|| Front Page Top

#7 Self delusion is on the path to self destruction. Muslims have a terrible neurosis, because they are taught that theirs is a better and more civilized way; and even an uneducated peasant can tell that their lives are primitive and barbaric compared to just about everyone else.

It is not faith that creates terrorism, but doubt, combined with sociopathy and led by psychopathy. That is why they get murderously upset by seeing an illustration of a bearded man with a bomb for a turban.

They also know that if their saner brethren get so much as a chance to bolt from their religion, they can and will take it. Because it no uncertain terms, it sucks.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-08-25 09:18|| 2010-08-25 09:18|| Front Page Top

#8 Romans did some 'JOO cleansing' a few years back (believe it was before 'Mo' was born'). Destroyed a few temples, palaces and other assorted buildings, too.

Roman's didn't leave much when they got done (Carthage springs to mind). Probably more 1st-3rd century artifacts from Rome laying about in the Middle East than from 'indigenous' folks.

Using Mr. Nabulsi's logic, shouldn't the Middle East be home to the Italians, too?

Posted by Mullah Richard 2010-08-25 10:17|| 2010-08-25 10:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Mixing respected scholarship with dubious theories, the author, Shlomo Sand, a professor at Tel Aviv University, frames the narrative as a startling exposure of suppressed historical facts. The translated version of his polemic has sparked a new wave of coverage in Britain and has provoked spirited debates online and in seminar rooms.

Professor Sand, a scholar of modern France, not Jewish history, candidly states his aim is to undercut the Jews claims to the land of Israel by demonstrating that they do not constitute a people, with a shared racial or biological past. The book has been extravagantly denounced and praised, often on the basis of whether or not the reader agrees with his politics.

The vehement response to these familiar arguments both the reasonable and the outrageous highlights the challenge of disentangling historical fact from the sticky web of religious and political myth and memory.

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Books challenging biblical and conventional history continually pop up, but what distinguishes the dispute over origins from debates about, say, the reality of the exodus from Egypt or the historical Jesus, is that it is so enmeshed in geopolitics. The Israeli Declaration of Independence states: After being forcibly exiled from their Land, the People kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it. The idea of unjust exile and rightful return undergirds both the Jews and the Palestinians conviction that each is entitled to the land.

Since Professor Sands mission is to discredit Jews historical claims to the territory, he is keen to show that their ancestry lines do not lead back to ancient Palestine. He resurrects a theory first raised by 19th-century historians, that the Jews of Central and Eastern Europe, to whom 90 percent of American Jews trace their roots, are descended from the Khazars, a Turkic people who apparently converted to Judaism and created an empire in the Caucasus in the eighth century. This idea has long intrigued writers and historians. In 1976, Arthur Koestler wrote The Thirteenth Tribe in the hopes it would combat anti-Semitism; if contemporary Jews were descended from the Khazars, he argued, they could not be held responsible for Jesus Crucifixion.

By now, experts who specialize in the subject have repeatedly rejected the theory, concluding that the shards of evidence are inconclusive or misleading, said Michael Terry, the chief librarian of the Jewish division of the New York Public Library. Dr. Ostrer said the genetics also did not support the Khazar theory.

Book Calls Jewish People an Invention

A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands.

The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book The Invention of the Jewish People that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times.

Jewish communities from Europe, the Middle East and the Caucasus all have substantial genetic ancestry that traces back to the Levant; Ethiopian Jews and two Judaic communities in India are genetically much closer to their host populations.

Studies Show Jews Genetic Similarity

Posted by KBK 2010-08-25 11:12|| 2010-08-25 11:12|| Front Page Top

#10 Some relatively informed opinion on Hillary Rubin's problem:

Another Story Of Proving Ones Jewishness (scroll down a bit)

Posted by KBK 2010-08-25 11:31|| 2010-08-25 11:31|| Front Page Top

#11 sad you would give propaganda trash like this space on your blog

Being a genetic Spaniard I am very interested to know what the Arabs think about Spain. Very, very, very interested.

Posted by JFM 2010-08-25 11:44|| 2010-08-25 11:44|| Front Page Top

#12 JFM: What variety of Spanish? I have known Castilians, Catalans, and even a Basque, and only the Castilians called themselves "Spanish". The Catalans really got their nose out of joint at even the suggestion.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-08-25 12:36|| 2010-08-25 12:36|| Front Page Top

#13 After sucking Spain's blood (their products were three times more expensive than those of industrialized nations and worse quality meaning that Andalucia and similra empoverished themselves with those overpriced products ended considering themselves a Herrensvolk.

Also over 200,000 people have had to leave the Basque region out of fear not to mention the brain wasjhing at school. Do you _really_ believe

Posted by JFM 2010-08-25 13:49|| 2010-08-25 13:49|| Front Page Top

#14 Anyone have any disinfectant?

A match would be better.

Posted by Sleque Barnsmell1141 2010-08-25 15:01|| 2010-08-25 15:01|| Front Page Top

#15 that the claim that the Jews of today are the ethnic offspring of the Biblical Jews is yet another Zionist myth, because all records tell us that the current Jews are the descendants of Khazar tribes who converted to Judaism,

If they really believed that they're not the descendants of Jews, but merely a mixture of Russians and Turks, wouldn't they be more anxious to make peace with them?

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-08-25 15:04|| 2010-08-25 15:04|| Front Page Top

#16 It took Franco to unify the many provinces into a modern Spain. Give the devil his due. He also refused to turn Jews over to Hitler...

Posted by borgboy 2010-08-25 15:05|| 2010-08-25 15:05|| Front Page Top

#17 Sand's claim that Jews have no common ancestry is disproved by chapter 10 of my book "The Jews of Khazaria", which not only discusses the DNA evidence from 2000-2006 but much more besides (linguistics, name evidence, migration patterns, etc.)

http://www.khazaria.com/brook.html

Posted by Kevin Brook 2010-08-25 15:13|| http://www.khazaria.com/brook.html 2010-08-25 15:13|| Front Page Top

#18 JFM: Well, the young Basque man I knew was a good sort. He ended up dying of disease in Africa, where he had gone to fight communists. I gather his family had some Berrozi in them, so were not friends with the separatists.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-08-25 15:20|| 2010-08-25 15:20|| Front Page Top

#19 Kevin, are you familiar with this study;
Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence.
If you are, I would interested in any comment you would like to share.

Posted by tipper 2010-08-25 19:50|| 2010-08-25 19:50|| Front Page Top

#20 Yes tipper, I'm familiar with the IQ studies of Ashkenazic Jews. Higher average IQ among Ashkenazic Jews compared to Sephardic Jews doesn't come from different ancestry (as they are substantially alike) but from other factors, which are discussed in Jon Entine's book "Abraham's Children".

Posted by Kevin Brook 2010-08-25 20:43|| 2010-08-25 20:43|| Front Page Top

#21 We yearn to once again cultivate the orchards of Valladolid ...

Why don't you try practicing in Paleostan?

Posted by Whack the Full Bosomed8204 2010-08-25 22:01|| 2010-08-25 22:01|| Front Page Top

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