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2010-07-01 Home Front: Politix

In speech, Obama to argue for immigration overhaul

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Posted by ed 2010-07-01 08:32|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 Seems to me that words like "overhaul" and "reform" might have different meanings to different people. It's almost like a 1984 type of thing. A lot of people a few years ago had great difficulty agreeing on the meaning of "amnesty". Let's hear your definitions, Zero, before you try to cram another 1300-page bill down our throats.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2010-07-01 12:25|| 2010-07-01 12:25|| Front Page Top

#2 No confusion at all. "Reform" = amnesty, plain and simple.

Posted by lex 2010-07-01 13:12|| 2010-07-01 13:12|| Front Page Top

#3 From Obama's Immigration Speech: American citizenship not a matter of blood or birth

Being an American is not a matter of blood or birth, its a matter of faith, President Obama declared at a speech he gave on immigration.

Posted by Flager the Younger7856 2010-07-01 13:29|| 2010-07-01 13:29|| Front Page Top

#4 Before he became President, then Senator Zero led the Democrat charge to strip the "Guest Worker" section from Bush's Immigration reform bill.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2010-07-01 15:35|| 2010-07-01 15:35|| Front Page Top

#5 "not a matter of blood or birth"

I reckon he would know as well as anyone.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-07-01 16:37|| 2010-07-01 16:37|| Front Page Top

#6 We need to get this moron out of the oval office.

Posted by Tartuffe 2010-07-01 16:40|| 2010-07-01 16:40|| Front Page Top

#7 Stop the free entitlements for illegals and require proof of citizenship for housing and jobs for starters, then see what happens.
Any chance Obama will go down to the southern border in Arizona?
I'm still trying to grasp the comparison of the likes of Tesla to illegals that was mentioned in his speech. To those immigrants that WANT to become Americans and asimilate compared to those coming illegally for free services I see no comparison.

Posted by Jan 2010-07-01 16:51|| 2010-07-01 16:51|| Front Page Top

#8 My Immigration Plan:
Enforce existing laws.

If that doesn't work after five years then try something else.

Posted by Bob 2010-07-01 17:11|| 2010-07-01 17:11|| Front Page Top

#9 "Wait your turn like everyone else"

I agree with this statement in principle, TW. Bear in mind, however, that Immigration is run by the worst collection of doofuses outside of Chicago City Hall.

One immigrant from Austria I met said that they bounced her application four times because they objected to her picture. The first time, they said the picture was too dark. The second time, they said a wisp of hair was in the way. There were two equally asinine reasons for bouncing her next two photos. At least she got her visa in about two years.

Meanwhile, Second Daughter filed a visa for her fiance in March 09. She filed her paperwork according to the rules in effect at the time. Somewhere between the date she filed and Jan 2010, when they got around to reviewing her application, they changed the rules, and bounced her application and ate her $600 fee.

A fiance visa from Mexico has been known to take four years.

My Argentine friend, married to an American for 20 years, has filed and refiled at the immigration office in a major city an hour away from here. She will make her regular visits and they will tell her that her paperwork has expired. "But you had that paperwork in your office the whole time."

"Too bad. It's expired. You have to fill it out again."

So in addition to closing the border, the best thing we could do for immigration reform is to reform the Immigration services. The immigration service staff are a blot on the national escutcheon (which statement is more polite than the string of obscenities which they truly deserve).

Posted by mom 2010-07-01 18:22|| 2010-07-01 18:22|| Front Page Top

#10 Obama is a politician...politicians like the sound of their own voices...ergo, Obama keeps flapping his jaws.

In order to give himself something to flap his jaws about, he must first consider any anti-Obama blowback, ergo, he speaks little about private sector jobs, the private sector economy, foreign "policy,", etc, as there is nothing here for him to take any real credit.

That leaves the "Immigration" issue.

If Obama can make conservatives and Conservatives look like nutburgers by getting them all twitterpated about the rumor of amnesty, Obama and the gang looks, well, almost Presidential and measured.

The use of the Immigration straw man at this point is, well.......IT'S A TRAP!

Posted by Admiral Ackbar 2010-07-01 18:26|| 2010-07-01 18:26|| Front Page Top

#11 I hear you about the Immigration office Mom. Brought my wife (then fiancee) over on a Fiance visa from the Philippines about 8 years ago. And that was just before they really starting putting in all the crap they have now. We didn't face anything like what what your daughter and friends are facing.

Note that the embassy / consulate in a foreign country however is not under immigration, but the state department (which probably explains a lot). They held up my wife's visa for no apparent reason for weeks (trying times for us...).

The only reason Obama wants Amnasty (it has nothing to do with immigration!) is to produce 11 million democratic voters.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-07-01 18:55|| 2010-07-01 18:55|| Front Page Top

#12 The principle seems to be, that since someone snuck in the downstairs bedroom windo years ago, and has been living there and raiding the icebox ever since, and because we don't wnt them to think we don't like them, we should adopt them?
I call Bulls*it! If you ever argue for principles, this cannot stand. It is just plain theft on their part and cowardice on ours to let this stand. Get out, and ring the front GD doorbell like decent folks! how we ever got suckered into letting this be about the color of their skin instead of their immoral and illegal act is beyond me. I don't give a crap if it's profiling, this has got to stop!

Posted by NoMoreBS 2010-07-01 20:10|| 2010-07-01 20:10|| Front Page Top

#13 "not a matter of blood or birth"

Spoken at best by a transnational progressive, at worst by an international collective. However, it clearly says he has no loyalty to those who believes it is a matter of blood or birth.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-07-01 21:50|| 2010-07-01 21:50|| Front Page Top

#14 Obama thinks every latino is a 'born' democrat....freakin funny...

Posted by crazyhorse 2010-07-01 22:25|| 2010-07-01 22:25|| Front Page Top

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