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Gingrich defends endorsement as 'practical choice'

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Posted by Fred 2009-10-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [13 views ] Top

#1 This is why the Trunks will go the way of the Whigs. And take McCain with you when you go.

Posted by SR-71 2009-10-23 06:33|| 2009-10-23 06:33|| Front Page Top

#2 Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. If you haven't noticed Newt, you're no longer leading.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-10-23 08:28|| 2009-10-23 08:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Newt hasn't been politically relevant since he dumped his second wife.

Posted by rwv 2009-10-23 08:55|| 2009-10-23 08:55|| Front Page Top

#4 Gingrich had no choice. Hoffman isn't running on the Republican party ticket. Gingrich has a political obligation to support the Republican candidate. Hoffman, by running on what he calls the "Conservative Party" ticket, is simply going to split the Republican votes in the district and hand the Democrats an easy victory.

It is "Ross Perot" on a smaller scale.

Posted by crosspatch 2009-10-23 12:29|| 2009-10-23 12:29|| Front Page Top

#5 And watch what happens. The Democrat will get less than 50% of the votes but more than either the Republican or the "Conservative" candidate and win the election. That will move the US House even more to the left. And will conservatives take note that their rhetoric of "if a 'true' conservative runs, they would win big" fails? Nope.

If you can't get a conservative candidate elected in the party primary, then running a "conservative" candidate on a third party ticket only helps the Democrats unless that third party has overwhelming Independent voter support.

Posted by crosspatch 2009-10-23 12:35|| 2009-10-23 12:35|| Front Page Top

#6 It works the other way too - if the Dems and Libs choose different candidates and the Pubs and Conservatives collaborate, the Republiservative wins. It can happen, and has. If Scozzafava withdrew and backed Hoffman (who would caucus with the Republicans), the Dems might well lose this particular race even if they were united with the Liberals.

Posted by Glenmore 2009-10-23 18:31|| 2009-10-23 18:31|| Front Page Top

#7 Crosspatch, bullshit bullshit and FUD bullshit. I've seen you posting it in both threads. I'm going to stomp on it here.

Sit down son and I'll educate you.

First, why the scare quotes on Conservative Party? You genuinely that fricken ignorant? Its a party the William F Buckley founded to put conservative candidates forward against the liberal Rockefeller Republicans -- and they put their guy in the US Senate. It is a politically important element and party in NY politics.

Second, have you looked at the GOP candidate? Pro Choice, Margaret Sanger Award Winner, supported Obama's porkulus, has a long record of supporting taxes and spending in the state assembly, advocate of bigger government, advocate of card check (her husband is the biggest union organizer in the district). She is endorsed by Daily Kos, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, NEA, local unions and an assortment of ACORN front groups. Do you honestly thing that she would be any different from the dem that is to her right? Are you naive and stupid enough to believe that she wouldn't vote with Pelosi on a great number of important things?

Furthermore, Dede Scozzafava is or was until recently the Chief Operating Officer of her brothers company. Her companys key subsidiaries have accumulated hundreds of thousands of dollars in state and federal tax liens. As of July 13, 2009 three of Dedes businesses have $192,000 in outstanding liens for unpaid taxes. And this just came to light as well: Dede Scozzafavas campaign has paid $3750.00 in disclosed expenses to Pearl Han Productions, LLC for Strategic Consulting,. Turns out its a shell company owned by her sister in law, in FLORIDA that was coincidentally started right after she got the nomination from the party insiders. In other words, she's funneling money to her relatives via the campaign. They put Abramoff in jail for that.

And finally, looking at the latest polls, Scozzafave is the one splitting the vote - she is THIRD, behind both the others. Hoffman is closing in on the Dem and has passed the chosen pol the GOP put there.

This is clearly NOT Ross Perot. Ignorant fools like you and lap dogs like Gingich are whats wrong with the GOP.

Its Scozzafava that's the spoiler not Hoffman.

SO... Conservative party is important., Hoffman is not Perot, he's ahead of the GOP party hack, and the GOP party hack is a far left RINO, who is apparently a tx cheat and may be dirty.

Do you now understand just how wrong you are?

If that's not enough to convince you go look at Redstate, Malkin, National Review, Washington Times, Washington Examiner, etc.

They are all much better informed than you, and have called for Scozzafava to withdraw.

And now I'll pull the "Big Tent" argument before you misuse it the way Gingrich screwed up by selectively quoting Reagan out of context. Yes, The GOP needs the big tent, but we also need a common core set of principles as the long poles in that tent. And there is no way such arrogance as demonstrated by state and national GOP organizations can justify this other than raw power and abuse of the base. As Reagan said: A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Newt's 1994 self would smack the current insider kiss ass he has become upside the head for becoming such a joke (making ads with Pelosi on Global Warming, palling around with Sharpton, etc).

Gingrich has become the epitome of the ethical failure, the power over principles beltway-manhattan cocktail party elites in the GOP leadership, as has Pete Session in the NRCC and that self-belclowning fool Steele who runs the RNC.

Newt and this episode are why I have asked for my NRCC donations BACK. I'll send them to individual candidates. I no longer trust the DC insiders after they pumped 6 figures of dollars for Scozzafava to run attack ads against HOFFMAN (and not the Dem!).

In sum: stop with the bullshit, you have no excuse anymore.

Posted by OldSpook 2009-10-23 20:46|| 2009-10-23 20:46|| Front Page Top

#8 And I'm done, that took all I had left in the tank tonight. I've been fighting this same political BS for years, and just don't have the energy to continue to summon the fire just this one. Once I'm recovering from my current condition, God willing, I hope to get more active again.

Good night all.

Posted by OldSpook 2009-10-23 20:48|| 2009-10-23 20:48|| Front Page Top

#9 Rest soundly, OS.....

Posted by Uncle Phester 2009-10-23 20:54|| 2009-10-23 20:54|| Front Page Top

#10 Do you support the 'practical choice' and let your RINO congresscritter become the administration partisan patsy?

Or do you endorse a principled candidate and risk the opponent Dem winning a split vote? A result that won't make a whit of difference to the congressional balance and will be re-fought next year.

Next year, similar principled candidates may appear in a variety of districts. What is that going to do to your 'practical choices'?

Posted by Skunky Glins****">Skunky Glins**** 2009-10-23 22:09|| 2009-10-23 22:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Sit down son and I'll educate you.

Good grief - I heard the smack all the way out here in the desert.

Posted by Pappy 2009-10-23 22:24|| 2009-10-23 22:24|| Front Page Top

#12 Best of all - Newt Gingrich dilutes his influence. Now, if only Huckabee would venture further out on the fake-populist branch

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