Article

2009-08-21 Home Front: Culture Wars

Lutherans May Permit Noncelibate Gay Pastors

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Fred 2009-08-21 11:27|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 As with all things from a "persecuted minority", it is not enough to simply coexist. The "majority" MUST unconditionally accept what is considered aberrant behavior by the "majority".

Posted by WolfDog 2009-08-21 12:42|| 2009-08-21 12:42|| Front Page Top

#2 Can't think of a better way to kill a church but I suspect that's really what their plan is.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-08-21 12:51|| 2009-08-21 12:51|| Front Page Top

#3 On the bright side there will be all these empty Lutheran churches that they can redecorate in fabulous colors.

Posted by ed 2009-08-21 12:55|| 2009-08-21 12:55|| Front Page Top

#4 It passed yesterday.. I quit the elca retarded church of satan today.

One vote. It was supposed to be 2/3rds.
They stretched the convention voting hours past the planned dinner hour than changed it from 2/3rds to 1/2. It won buy one friking vote after lots of folks had left to eat.

Satan wins a big one.

Posted by 3dc 2009-08-21 13:09|| 2009-08-21 13:09|| Front Page Top

#5 I would think now that a lot of ELCA congregations are seriously re-considering the Missouri Synod, so in other words, I don't think it will kill the Lutheran Church.
The Missouri Synod will approve of this at about the same time Satan opens an ice-skating rink in hell.

Posted by Sgt. Mom">Sgt. Mom 2009-08-21 16:23|| http://www.celiahayes.com]">[http://www.celiahayes.com] 2009-08-21 16:23|| Front Page Top

#6 "Perhaps her friends... should consider... their own gay Lutheran church, where you'd have to prove you were gay to get in."

Fred there is such a denomination: the 21st Century Democrat Party.

Posted by regular joe 2009-08-21 17:19|| 2009-08-21 17:19|| Front Page Top

#7 Iff its "contentious" for the Epicopalians, its gonna be "wildly rad" for the Lutherans, and worse = better for the Baptists, etal.

Posted by JosephMendiola">JosephMendiola 2009-08-21 18:22|| na]">[na] 2009-08-21 18:22|| Front Page Top

#8 I thought there was an ice-skating rink at the center of Hell, Sgt. Mom.

Posted by Eric Jablow">Eric Jablow 2009-08-21 18:35|| 2009-08-21 18:35|| Front Page Top

#9 What about celibate gay pastors?

Posted by Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division 2009-08-21 19:46|| 2009-08-21 19:46|| Front Page Top

#10 Halliburton,

Do you mean like Father Mychal Judge, NYFD Chaplain, martyred on Sept. 11, 2001?

Posted by Eric Jablow">Eric Jablow 2009-08-21 21:49|| 2009-08-21 21:49|| Front Page Top

#11 I am not in favor of this motion, but read your Bible before throwing stones at the ELCA. Here are two samples to consider. The first clearly envisions limitations on the role of women in the Church, which are breached every Sunday. The second concerns the wisdom of judging others for their transgressions.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

Romans 1:26-2:6
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each one according to his deeds

Posted by rammer">rammer 2009-08-21 22:44|| 2009-08-21 22:44|| Front Page Top

#12 Shut up rammer!
Just STFU!

Posted by 3dc 2009-08-21 23:42|| 2009-08-21 23:42|| Front Page Top

#13 Rammer- do want the pastor's sig other taking your boys scouts on their first camping trip.
How about if the pastor is a butch - her bimbo taking the girl scouts out.

What about those religious retreats and Sunday School.

Kiddies beware!
Somebody nearby has their whole world view centered on their crotch and is looking to score... somebody they trust.

Posted by 3dc 2009-08-21 23:46|| 2009-08-21 23:46|| Front Page Top

23:46 3dc
23:42 3dc
23:30 ryuge
23:04 rammer
22:44 rammer
22:44 Redneck Jim
22:38 Redneck Jim
22:30 Angie Schultz
22:15 Sheger McGurque5408
22:09 Redneck Jim
22:06 Sheger McGurque5408
22:01 Sheger McGurque5408
21:59 Sheger McGurque5408
21:59 Skunky Glins 5***
21:57 phil_b
21:49 Eric Jablow
21:31 DarthVader
21:31 DarthVader
21:23 tipper
21:14 Rambler in Virginia
21:02 tipover
20:34 Broadhead6
20:30 Ptah
20:15 USMC6743