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World hopes for a 'less arrogant America'

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Posted by Fred 2008-11-05 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ] Top

#1 One more reason I'm happy that my ancestors moved away from their ancestors.

Posted by Formerly Dan 2008-11-05 00:22|| 2008-11-05 00:22|| Front Page Top

#2 "World hopes for a 'less arrogant America'"

America hopes for a less arrogant, venal, grasping, demanding, whining world.

But we're not holding our collective breath....

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-11-05 00:31|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-11-05 00:31|| Front Page Top

#3 I was already feeling ill, but this didn't quite get me to the puke point. Close enough.

Let me be the first to express my "hope" that nothing good befalls the people and countries herein offering their typical arrogant and ignorant views.

Hey Europeans - hope that "relief" takes you right through the next time you need a resolute US leader.

What makes me sorta feel that Israel may greet this development, with, er, their own distinctive sort of response? Anyone here think there's a decent chance of a big operation against Iran in the next two months?

P.S. Note Fred's apt comment about an AP writer's (banal, stupid) opinion being offered as reporting, and remember who also won tonight. There are an inscrutable number of different wheels turning that produce an American electoral outcome, but at the very least we have a few factors to savor here: a completely partisan and unprofessional press carrying a remarkably empty inexperienced and marginally talented guy to victory while vetting him not a whit; a complete pass on what seems to me an unprecedented amount and style of political thuggery (e.g. JTP's treatment by OH state agencies, the MO DA/sheriff business, legal growling at TV stations showing NRA ads).

Hey, do I sound inspired by America's "historic" achievement???

Posted by Verlaine 2008-11-05 00:32|| 2008-11-05 00:32|| Front Page Top

#4 Anyone here think there's a decent chance of a big operation against Iran in the next two months?

Not while Olmert is PM. By the time Bibi replaces him the Baraq Hussein will be Cinc.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-11-05 00:36|| 2008-11-05 00:36|| Front Page Top

#5 They won't know arrogance until they deal with BHO.

I think that the phrase "be careful what you wish for" applies here. Be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 years. Too bad I don't really enjoy "interesting times".

Posted by tipover 2008-11-05 00:46|| 2008-11-05 00:46|| Front Page Top

#6 Oh, I forgot a few other victors tonight. That is, people validated by being handed power, or more power:

* members of Congress who publicly accuse serving Marines of war crimes, as they enter a CM process

* members of the Senate who publicly compare US soldiers to Nazis or the Khmer Rouge

* member of the Congress and Senate who, seeking political recourse in a war they supported that has become even a little bit difficult, dump the radioactive poison of "the President lied" into the public square

* "news" organizations that compromise ongoing surveillance operations in time of war

* "public servants" who commit felonies in providing info to those "news" organizations to copmromise surveillance operations in time of war

* members of Congress and the Senate who vote to end funding for operations in the midst of crucial, as it turns out game-changing, new initiatives, who declare the effort a failure even as it gets under way

Doesn't that just read like the most ho-hum, familiar, so-what sort of dry political trivia? That's how inured we are to these outrages.

I was thoroughly discouraged by the Beltway class and most of the country just before and after returning from Iraq. The 06 elections were bad, for the reasons offered in both comments here. Now, this. Inertia being the greatest force of nature, here I am. But in the most important ways, I really am sorta done. I just feel awful that so many outstanding military and civilian fellow citizens serving abroad or at home have to carry such an undeserving crowd - and now, under such dubious "leadership".

Hmmm, where's that catharsis thingy I've heard about? I feel sicker than when I started.

Posted by Verlaine 2008-11-05 00:59|| 2008-11-05 00:59|| Front Page Top

#7 World learns they can help buy a President if the visa charge verification is flexible enough.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-11-05 01:03|| 2008-11-05 01:03|| Front Page Top

#8 Gee. They love us. Really and truly.

I guess that means they'll give our new leader a break so he can settle into his job for a change, right? That means....they settle their own damn disputes, they don't sit around waiting for us to come to the rescue when disaster strikes, and they work on their economies to provide jobs for their own people. This whole thing of shipping them off to us to work for pennies in unsafe conditions our citizens would never tolerate for a second is gonna kinda have to end for a bit so we can get our own economy back on the rails. I'm sure they'll understand.

Sure, ol' Joe Biden said that stuff about the new guy getting tested in the first six months. (He didn't really mean it the way you took it, you had to take it into the proper context.)

They love us now, right? So asking them to behave for the next few years and not do something obnoxious (and that includes racially insensitive cartoons or remarks about him in national sycophantic media outlets like you made about Condi Rice and Colin Powell) isn't asking too much, is it?

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2008-11-05 01:33|| 2008-11-05 01:33|| Front Page Top

#9 Buyers remorse in...5...4...3...

Posted by Shotle Brown9884 2008-11-05 01:55|| 2008-11-05 01:55|| Front Page Top

#10 I wouldn't get too worked up about the result. The beauty of democracy is that voters get to act on buyer's remorse. If Obama turns out to be a disaster, the Dems will be swept out of Congress in 2010 and out of the presidency in 2012. Remember - election or not, we still have a full-fledged economic crisis on our hands. And the American people are much less patient than they were 70 years ago. I think the Zero will live down to his record of non-achievement, and the Democrats will live to regret nominating this non-entity.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-05 02:21|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-11-05 02:21|| Front Page Top

#11 The only problem with the idea that the Zero can be corrected in 2010 by sweeping out the Dems is all of the damage that can be done to the US and the world in that period : Hussien has already said he will cancel missile defenses, pullout regardless in 16 months from Iraq, and will NOT do anything about Iran going nuke. So, in 2 years, AFTER Tel Aviv is a cinder, we can kickout the Dems -- not going to mean much to all of the dead Jews at that point.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2008-11-05 02:27|| 2008-11-05 02:27|| Front Page Top

#12 ZF, I think you're too optimistic. I think lots of them are going to die regretting it. I'm already looking to order my bumper sticker that says "Don't blame me--I voted for McCain."

The idiots that voted for Bama wanted change. What they forgot is that change is often for the worse and is ALWAYS difficult. They'll find out soon enough, though.

Posted by Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-11-05 02:30|| 2008-11-05 02:30|| Front Page Top

#13 Remember - election or not, we still have a full-fledged economic crisis on our hands.

What. Economic. Crisis. Oh, you mean that Dem engineered train wreck with sub-prime mortgages! Yeah funny that. Overall, in non-blue states, the economy is pretty good. That's about to change.

Nothing like a little, (LOT) Deconstructionism, to flush a nation down the shitter. I hope these mouth breathers and nose pickers get all the Obama/Marxism they can stand. Let's see if they are still enamored with it in 2010/2012.

Palin/TBD-2012

Posted by Shotle Brown9884 2008-11-05 02:34|| 2008-11-05 02:34|| Front Page Top

#14 The idiots that voted for Bama wanted change. What they forgot is that change is often for the worse and is ALWAYS difficult. They'll find out soon enough, though.

Sometimes, a kick in the butt helps the learning process. Obama will have a filibuster-proof Congress. He can't complain that he doesn't have the votes to get things done. Remember - the recent college grads who voted for Obama can't live on hope and change. They're snotty and disrespectful to everyone. If they're still unemployed two years out of office, guess who they're gonna blame?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-05 03:04|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-11-05 03:04|| Front Page Top

#15 If they're still unemployed two years out of ~~office~~ school, guess who they're gonna blame?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-11-05 03:05|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-11-05 03:05|| Front Page Top

#16 Send for them, those who sleep at Saint-Laurent-sur-Mer. They deserve better.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-11-05 07:11|| 2008-11-05 07:11|| Front Page Top

#17 It ain't gonna be 2010...........

Mebbe Sarah in 2012

but it took 2 decades to get Ronnie and the Senate.

Slow disrepair..............those kids have to hit 40 to see it.

Posted by anonymous2u 2008-11-05 07:33|| 2008-11-05 07:33|| Front Page Top

#18 Ohhh - Actually - we can still be arrogant - we can elect a black man - how come you're so racist?

Posted by anonymous2u 2008-11-05 07:40|| 2008-11-05 07:40|| Front Page Top

#19 If the "Fairness Doctrine" is re-implimented all bets are off for 2010 1nd 2012.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2008-11-05 08:10|| 2008-11-05 08:10|| Front Page Top

#20 The favorite son of Moneygall, Ireland?!?

Kill me now, please.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-11-05 08:21|| 2008-11-05 08:21|| Front Page Top

#21 USA is no longer a country but a voting block and trading zone; a la Europe.

Posted by Hammerhead 2008-11-05 08:49|| 2008-11-05 08:49|| Front Page Top

#22 And by the way, does this mean we aren't racist anymore? Is that their reparations? My family cam here at the turn of the century, so the whole slave-talk, guilt thingy just doesn't resonate with me. Somehow I think we're going to have to hear about how unfair of a country this is pretty much constantly for the next 4 years.
*Sigh*

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-11-05 08:49|| 2008-11-05 08:49|| Front Page Top

#23 Nature abhors a vacuum. As America disarms and withdraws from the world stage, who or what will fill the void? The world should be careful both of what it wished for and of the law of unintended consequences.

As for me, I just told my grandson that he should NOT, as he had planned, enlist when he graduates from high school. It is not wise to serve those who despise you, who place no value on your life or well being, and who don't have a clue about the military. God help the USA.

Posted by RWV 2008-11-05 09:02|| 2008-11-05 09:02|| Front Page Top

#24 Remember - the recent college grads who voted for Obama can't live on hope and change. They're snotty and disrespectful to everyone. If they're still unemployed two years out of office, guess who they're gonna blame?

Oh I'm sure they will find someone else to blame. The Jews (happened before!), the Christians, the rednecks, the conservatives, gun owners, the rich republicans. They will blame someone other than themselves when the marxist policies and 'redistribution' turn the economy to shit.

It happened before.

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-11-05 09:12|| 2008-11-05 09:12|| Front Page Top

#25 big jim reparations will be the first thing on the ticket. buy stock in cadillac

Posted by chris 2008-11-05 10:19|| 2008-11-05 10:19|| Front Page Top

#26 buy stock in cadillac

A little humor, to lighten things up :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVgAi4-LgCY

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-11-05 10:26|| 2008-11-05 10:26|| Front Page Top

#27 #24 Remember - the recent college grads who voted for Obama can't live on hope and change. They're snotty and disrespectful to everyone. If they're still unemployed two years out of office, guess who they're gonna blame?

No worries, the MSM will not feature these people. They will be pensioned off and new H3/1B, K, J1, 01, student, permanent and asylum visas will be available for a flood of new ~~democratic voter~~ overseas immigrants.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-11-05 10:28|| 2008-11-05 10:28|| Front Page Top

#28 As for me, I just told my grandson that he should NOT, as he had planned, enlist when he graduates from high school. It is not wise to serve those who despise you, who place no value on your life or well being

Very true. My youngest cousin and last of my generation still in the military will return from Iraq early next year and soon after his commission comes up for renewal. I see very little possibility of his re-upping now. Better he put his degree to use and build bridges from now on.

As the next generation comes of age, I will also probably discourage them from enlisting right away. Better to get on that government gravy train and party hardy at uni for the next four years than risk their lives to deliver meals on wheels for the world's most undeserving in the worst shit holes. The military will shrink. Whether by budget cuts or disinterest is immaterial.

Posted by ed 2008-11-05 10:33|| 2008-11-05 10:33|| Front Page Top

#29 Besoeker, you're assuming that there will be any applicants for those visas. Based on my totally unscientific data sample of foreign IT professionals I know.....prolly not.

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2008-11-05 10:34|| 2008-11-05 10:34|| Front Page Top

#30 Verlaine, I hear ya bro. We had the exact same discussion at PT this morning wrt protecting those you don't feel are worthy of the very Constitution they are safeguarded by. Truly surreal.

Posted by Broadhead6 2008-11-05 10:35|| 2008-11-05 10:35|| Front Page Top

#31 I suspect there will be a wave of quiet resignations. Something quite bizarre about being required to submit to a urinalysis screening for drugs under a Commander In Chief who is an admitted cocaine user who couldn't obtain a clearance or pass a poly if his life depended upon it. Just doesn't pass the smell test.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-11-05 10:40|| 2008-11-05 10:40|| Front Page Top

#32 Yup. WRT those college kids, things will be sufficiently muddied in the world and at home that they will be able to go their entire lives without realizing what they've done.

BTW, WRT Israel, I doubt it will be cinderized. Instead, it will be forced to allow muslim arabs to become the majority and to rule there.

Posted by lotp 2008-11-05 10:40|| 2008-11-05 10:40|| Front Page Top

#33 On the brighter side. The media has been playing the drumbeat of economic doom for a long time. At some point perception becomes reality. If that same media starts saying that the election has turned perceptions around and restored confidence there is a chance confidence might seep back in.

We all diss the media, and rightfully so, but they do have the power to alter perceptions and for now that power will be used on behalf of the nation instead of against it's President. Hopefully that will help the economy, at least somewhat.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-11-05 11:08|| 2008-11-05 11:08|| Front Page Top

#34 Instead, it will be forced to allow muslim arabs to become the majority and to rule there.

Never. Happen.

Posted by Shotle Brown9884 2008-11-05 11:40|| 2008-11-05 11:40|| Front Page Top

#35 Verlaine and Broadhead6,
I hear the both of you! A large piece of this country just proved that it is not worthy of our military's protection or service. Maybe that is too extreme, but the fact is, more than half voted for the party that has been pissing on our miltary for last 6 years. I don't expect a coup, the military is still to disciplined for that - but maybe a "green out" quietly slipping away, leaving the service, enlistments dropping. Who wants to serve a POS like Murtha, or the idiots that re-elected him last night. Defend yourselves you ignorant masses - you don't deserve the service you've been given.
Worst thing, i'm in Kalifornia where most of this left bullshiite originate (or at least resonates). Collectively, we suck!

Posted by Rob06">Rob06 2008-11-05 12:39|| 2008-11-05 12:39|| Front Page Top

#36 "It ain't braggin' if ya can DO it..."

Posted by mojo">mojo 2008-11-05 14:22|| 2008-11-05 14:22|| Front Page Top

#37 We all diss the media, and rightfully so, but they do have the power to alter perceptions and for now that power will be used on behalf of the nation instead of against it's President.

It will be used to advance their goals. Which is not necessarily the same thing as the good of the nation as I see it.

Posted by lotp 2008-11-05 14:42|| 2008-11-05 14:42|| Front Page Top

#38 boo hoo, I'm cryin a river here....

the sky has fallen

Posted by Lumpy Claque7564 2008-11-05 15:48|| 2008-11-05 15:48|| Front Page Top

#39 Bugger off lumpy.

Biden was right. Obama is going to be tested...early and often. If he does not respond in a way that maintains America's interests or makes us look weak, he is going to lose the enxt election and his supporters will lose Congress. And those brave men and women doing the green-out, they will be ripe for replacing the losers who will be turned out.

Lemonade out of lemons folks. It is what we have to do.

Posted by remoteman 2008-11-05 17:08|| 2008-11-05 17:08|| Front Page Top

#40 boo hoo, I'm cryin a river here....

Not yet, Lumpy. But you will be...

Posted by tu3031 2008-11-05 17:09|| 2008-11-05 17:09|| Front Page Top

#41 Less Arrogant America?

Screw off dhimmiwit.

Posted by JohnQC 2008-11-05 17:19|| 2008-11-05 17:19|| Front Page Top

#42 I just hope there are enough Servicemen and women to keep those of us who have served and do honour and appreciate their sacrifices.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2008-11-05 18:35|| 2008-11-05 18:35|| Front Page Top

#43 A less arrogant America, run by a guy who calls himself "the One"? A guy who says, "We're the ones we've been waiting for?" Same guy who created his own presidential seal a few months ago?

Posted by Vanc 2008-11-05 21:35|| 2008-11-05 21:35|| Front Page Top

#44 DB, I'm not leaving yet. Unless dear leader cuts some of us off I have 8 yrs left until I hit 20. Then I plan on doing something else, possibly politics. I've had enough of these assholes. Politics is dirty but after being yelled at by Drill Instructors and a couple tours in the sand box no panzy assed libs or their media flunkies scare me. Time to stand up and be proud of what we are. No more apologizing for conservative (actually CONSTITUTIONAL) principles. No more reaching across the aisle for the sake of civility. No more pork, no more pissing on the U.S. Const, no more hiding in the country clubs and no more bullshit. Most Americans don't deserve their military, their constitution or their liberty. I'm fed up. I will run for some office even if it's the county dog catcher & do it 4 the same reason I went into the mil - for my family and for my country. Most of these congress critter douchebags are in it for ego and window dressing. I would enlist the help of any honest hardworking citizen and esp any former mil folks that are on the same page. Time to re-take the GOP from the inside and put all the rinos in the zoo.

Posted by Broadhead6 2008-11-05 21:49|| 2008-11-05 21:49|| Front Page Top

#45 Message to the AP:

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