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2008-08-14 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

US warns Russia on Georgia but readies concessions

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Posted by john frum 2008-08-14 19:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 The new document would allow Russian peacekeepers who were in the disputed South Ossetia region before the fighting broke out a week ago to stay, and they would now be permitted to patrol in a strip up to six miles outside the area, U.S. officials said. But that allowance would be temporary, and details were still to be worked out, the officials said.

Outrage. Once I thought Rice maybe quite good at her job. But this is a sign that she is incompetent. No, utterly incompetent.
What is this 5 mile buffer zone for? Free Ethnic Clensing Recreational Area? Geebus! And the "temporary" thing. Does she not understand what temporary translates to in Russian political lexicon. It means 18 years minimum, open ended (make us!) period. And she claims to be a Russo-expert? Who needs enemy with people like this?

Posted by Spike Uniter 2008-08-14 19:55|| 2008-08-14 19:55|| Front Page Top

#2 Remember José's Axiom to Murphy's Law: nothing is more permanent than that which is called temporary.

Posted by Steve White 2008-08-14 20:04|| 2008-08-14 20:04|| Front Page Top

#3 OK this is getting ridiculous ...
it is just as Old Spook has spoken of; before the annexation of Czechoslovakia in the late 30's, even with Sarkozy waving the papers saying I have signatures ..

we need a politician that will speak like this...

"We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. Let that be realised; no survival for the British Empire, no survival for all that the British Empire has stood for, no survival for the urge and impulse of the ages, that mankind will move forward towards its goal. But I take up my task with buoyancy and hope. I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among men. At this time I feel entitled to claim the aid of all, and I say, "come then, let us go forward together with our united strength."
Churchill
First Speech as Prime Minister
May 13, 1940
to House of Commons

you may ask is this necessary.. is war against Russia worth it ...??? and I ask the same questions..

but if this is what, IMHO it looks like: 'The Great Bear rising up to assert it's might'
then what else are we to do but defend our way of life ... for to be sure if this goes unchecked we may lose it...
...

Posted by Pliny Angainter8700 2008-08-14 20:11|| 2008-08-14 20:11|| Front Page Top

#4 Ukraine already got the message and will not entertain the US missile shield.

We live in a world that understands force... no matter how terrible that may be, its the truth.

Russia let the world know that they are back and are not afraid to use force to prove it.

Posted by ArmyLife 2008-08-14 22:36|| 2008-08-14 22:36|| Front Page Top

#5 Russia is your alcoholic uncle who boasts he could drink you under the table. It makes them feel good, but who cares?

Let's break down the current state of affairs: Russia is bullying a country the West won't send troops to defend (already did that, under Putin, it was called Ukraine, and it was with poison). Russia is trying to say its military is back to first rate (its been doing that for over a year now when strategic bombers were flying into Western Airspace...only to be met by F-22s). It's selling high grade military components to countries that are hostile to the US and Israel (that's been going on since um...1945?).

So honestly, what has changed? Just because troops rolled into a country doesn't change anything. Believe me, I am no Russian supporter, but when you actually look long term, Russia's actions don't amount to a hill of beans. If anything, seeing as how Poland just bought off on the missile defense system, it actually hindered them. Bottom line: this was a plea by Putin to shore up his base in country and show he was strong. That's it. Nothing more. Just sad that so many freedom loving Georgians had to die in the process.

Because think about it, if Russia really wanted to assert itself as a world power again, it would "accidentally" attack US ships or airplanes that are delivering humanitarian aid. It won't. Putin achieved his goal.

Posted by MoreScotch4Me 2008-08-14 23:37|| 2008-08-14 23:37|| Front Page Top

#6 I agree. Much like many tyrants, they will use force only when victory is assured.

We should start selling the missile defense at wholesale prices.

Posted by ArmyLife 2008-08-14 23:53|| 2008-08-14 23:53|| Front Page Top

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