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Pro-Hillary blogger: Will Barack Throw Mama From the Train?

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Posted by Mike 2008-05-16 12:23|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 if it exists and the clintons have it, theyd have released it already. Every day that passes makes it harder to stop Obama from getting the nomination.

If it doesnt exist and this bluffby the clintons themselves, they need to spread it in such a way that superdelegates actually, you know, here about it. Not through some obscure blogger.

So more likely its
A. it exists and the Repubs have it
B. It doesnt exist, Johnson is making this up on his own
C. It may or may not exist, Johnson picked up a rumor

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-05-16 13:15|| 2008-05-16 13:15|| Front Page Top

#2 Whether or not the tape exists, Ms. Michelle Obama, esq. strikes me as the kind of person who would say such things when she felt safely among her own people. Didn't they have Richard Nixon on tape saying similar things about groups he didn't like, and didn't it raise a bit of a ruckus when those were played?

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-05-16 13:50|| 2008-05-16 13:50|| Front Page Top

#3 BO truly is just one tape away from losing it all. If they have Michelle on tape ranting againsy "whitey" that might do it. However, if they can find BO smiling and saying AMEN! then it is game over.

I would vote for B. Larry Johnson is just making it up.

Posted by TomAnon 2008-05-16 15:30|| 2008-05-16 15:30|| Front Page Top

#4 If the tape exists and the Clintons have it they'd keep it quiet except for the private deep background sworn to secrecy screenings for super-delegates.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-05-16 15:48|| 2008-05-16 15:48|| Front Page Top

#5 Even if there is a tape... and it comes out... the MSM will ignore it. After all only whitey can be racist - just as the Seattle School District.

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-05-16 16:38|| 2008-05-16 16:38|| Front Page Top

#6 ..just ask the Seattle School District.

-- sorry...

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-05-16 16:40|| 2008-05-16 16:40|| Front Page Top

#7 Actually, I think the tape exists and that most Rantburgers are not giving Hillary enough credit for strategic thinking. You don't use nukes in a battle, you use them to end a war.
Presuming Hillary has such a tape, the ideal time for it to be released is 2 weeks before the Dem Convention and have it appear on YouTube. 2 weeks gives enough time for the tape to takeoff and get several million views; it also allows the tape to have percolated throughout the blogsphere and be quoted by Hillary-friendly media. Plus, it will give enough time for this to build as an issue AND for Hillary to be a statesman and denounce it as "a dirty trick by the Republicans".
That way, many of the superdelegates may decide that Hillary is the best choice after all, and vote for her on the 3rd or 4th ballot; alternately, it positions her to step in and take over either Teddy's or Nancy's slot in a couple of years. It would also serve as a warning to other Dems that Hillary does NOT suffer fools lightly, and if it costs Obambi the election, could serve as a bargaining chip with President McCain for some flashy piece of legislation that is sponsored by Hillary. Of course, she would have to release the tape to a 527 so that they could then post it; but if she backdoors the info on it to McCain AFTER the election, it is a BIG chit.

Oh and if you think that Hillary is NOT that devious, you have NOT been paying attention.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2008-05-16 18:38|| 2008-05-16 18:38|| Front Page Top

#8 I'm VERY tempted to believe there's something out there on 'Bama. This guy has no business being a presidential candidate in the first place; there are WAY too many skeletons in his closet. The Dems screwed his vetting up big time and I think if they nominate him, it's going to come back to take a seriously large chunk out of their posterior. Meanwhile, the longer these two fight it out, the longer the country gets to see what racists and sexists REALLY look like.

Posted by Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 2008-05-16 18:54|| 2008-05-16 18:54|| Front Page Top

#9 "The Dems screwed his vetting up big time and I think if they nominate him, it's going to come back to take a seriously large chunk out of their posterior. Meanwhile, the longer these two fight it out, the longer the country gets to see what racists and sexists REALLY look like."

What's the downside, Thaimble?

I'll order more popcorn.... :-D

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-05-16 19:04|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-05-16 19:04|| Front Page Top

#10 One other scenario to consider if Hillary has such a tape : a brokered convention like in 1960. I am NOT suggesting that Hillary would accept Obambi, but that she would accept a VP of the party's choosing, "for the good of the party". And that VP could be Al Gore : just like Kennedy accepted Johnson, Clinton/Gore could be the big ticket for the Dems. Remember, Gore owns the Green vote, is very popular with college kids, and has a Nobel Prize. Why would Gore accept such a slot - because he lost in 2000, and did not try in 2004 or 2008. There is a draft Gore movement on in the Dem Party right now, but it has no real chance of success. However, the "magic" of a Clinton/Gore Presidency would thrill any number of Dems and is not outside the realm of possibility.
If the convention deadlocks and does not have an chosen one after the first 6 ballots, the streets in Denver will make Chicago look restrained : the Anarchists and Maoists {anti-globos} will be trashing things, the Obambi crews and the Clinton crews will be going at each other, the black stormtrooper contingent of the New Black Panthers et al will be proclaiming the start of rioting due to "the theft of Obama's victory", and the anti-war freakos like Code Pink will be doing something flashy and idiotic for the press - like flashing the press and screaming "Boobs, not Bombs!!".
At that point, the superdelegates may well decide that it is time to get the hell out of Dodge and pick Clinton/Gore as "the Unity Ticket".

Posted by Shieldwolf 2008-05-16 19:23|| 2008-05-16 19:23|| Front Page Top

#11 I'd put my money on Shieldwolf's earier comment - it exists, don't deploy til maximum effect. Nice thing about being a superdelegate in the Donk party is there's absolutely no capacity for shame or embarrassment (see: "Democrat Party Norms and Values"). Michelle is precious, I hope she doesn't disappear, you never know what will come out of that mouth

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-16 19:53|| 2008-05-16 19:53|| Front Page Top

#12 I've been hearing this one from political people I had contact with when I was trying to help with the THompson campaign out west.

Been hearing it for a month.

Goes like this:

1) Hillary has it.

2) Hillary knows that no matter what, the idiots who have bought into Messiah Obama will blame her and abandond her if she "steals" the nomination from ObamaChrist.

3) Hillary also knows that the next 4 years are going to be rough - we cannot relaly disengate form Iraq, and oil supplies are going to be messed up, Chavez is stirring things up, the Chinese are going to be a-holes, and there will be a terror strike on US Soil. Meanign no matter who the Pres is, the PRes will get the blame.

4) Hillary also knows no matter who the president is, the next 4 years are going to be run by the Dems in Congress - meaning a D president will get little credit for anything that goes right.

So do the math.

In the case of point 1: Hillary is seen as a crippler, nasty and vidictive if she uses the tap, and the Obamanuts will split the party if she reesorts to such things to win.

In the case of point 2: Hillary gets blamed and is a one-termer.

In the case of Point 3: not only is she unpopular due to destrpying the "messiah", the congress takes all the credit.

Now consider this:

She holds off, battles to the end, and makes sure the **GOP** uses the tape AFTER Obama has it locked up the nomination at the convention.

The results?

1) She is the undisputed leader for 2012.

2) Gigantic "I told you so" she can beat down ANY opposition with.

3) 4 years to grandstand and pick her spots.

4) bad stuff happens as is likely (above)? McCain gets the blame, and she gets to smash an unpopular man who is now 76 and politically weak. Easy win for her.

5) Congress gets redit for success - she gets some of by association.

The smartest possible play at this point is for Hillary to battle to the end, the make sure that the stake is driven in to completely utterly destroy Obama, and the Clinton machine puts the shiv in deep and gives it a twist, HARD, in the twits who back Obama.

So Hillary plays the role of the victim, grabs the role of the uniter and savior of the Dem party after it collapses under the wieght of Obama's fallen god disaster, and rolls up everything with a big win after McCain has done the heavy lifiting in 2012.

If I were her, thats exactly how I would play it.

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