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2008-03-19 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Bobby 2008-03-19 05:55|| || Front Page|| [9 views ] Top

#1 Is it significant that this is in the Washington Post?

BTW. I'm not American and I don't know that much about your history but the quotes I've seen attributed to Martin Luther King Jr. are just wonderful. Was he really as good as he sounds?

Posted by Gladys 2008-03-19 07:26|| 2008-03-19 07:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Call the speech, "The Audacity of Deceit."

Posted by McZoid 2008-03-19 07:54|| 2008-03-19 07:54|| Front Page Top

#3 The demos are the the party of the "Hate America First" crowd. It wont hurt him a bit with his followers.

The loudest silence is coming from Hillery. She is the only one who is gonna benefit from this. She's keeping quiet hoping to cull some votes. Imagine if BO was a republican (or Nader).

A real benefit of this two person demo fight is the amount of money both are going through. Money that is not being saved for the general election.

Pass the popcorn please.

Posted by BrerRabbit 2008-03-19 07:55|| 2008-03-19 07:55|| Front Page Top

#4 And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

From every mountainside, let freedom ring!

And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

Martin Luther King

Posted by Besoeker 2008-03-19 07:58|| 2008-03-19 07:58|| Front Page Top

#5 I loved the comments of John Derbyshire at NRO - corner,

"..an ugly mish-mash of ancient socialist clichés and Gen-X spoiled-brat self-congratulation, all enveloped in clouds of flatulent Oprahnian rhetoric. Ugh!

Obama's just a red-diaper baby with a nice smile. I actually like Jeremiah Wright better than I like Obama. At least you know where you are with Wright. Obama, I wouldn't trust to mail a letter."

Posted by mhw 2008-03-19 08:43|| 2008-03-19 08:43|| Front Page Top

#6 Raleigh, N.C. After a week filled with bad news for the Obama campaign, Hillary
Clinton is out to a 56-30 lead in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-03-19 09:22|| 2008-03-19 09:22|| Front Page Top

#7 Was he really as good as he sounds?

Good enough to forge an alliance and build a new majority that move this country into manifesting the promises of 14th and 15th Amendments into real law. It took a hundred years, his leadership, and the work literally of millions to make it happen. All to fall in the end at the hands of much lessor men who would turn his legacy into the profession of race and power hustling. The alliance is now shattered. You are witnessing the historical window close after too long a period of abuse of those opportunities he opened. Does anyone question that there are hundreds of thousands Zimbabweans who'd trade places with the Rev. Wright today?

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-03-19 09:26|| 2008-03-19 09:26|| Front Page Top

#8 Obama and Wright are a disgrace to Mr. Luther's vision. They, and the other race hustlers have prostituted and dragged that dream through the mud for their own personal power and wealth enrichment. They don't even deserve to look at the man they have betrayed.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-03-19 09:40|| 2008-03-19 09:40|| Front Page Top

#9 I've seen it on the faces of too many sheriffs of the South. . . .

Yeah, I saw that movie too.

Posted by Excalibur 2008-03-19 09:57|| 2008-03-19 09:57|| Front Page Top

#10 Darth,

what does Mr. Luther's vision (reform of Catholic Church circa 16th century) to do with the racial reconciliation in the US circa 21st century?

Posted by mhw 2008-03-19 10:01|| 2008-03-19 10:01|| Front Page Top

#11 Was he really as good as he sounds?

Gladys, the Revererend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (better, mhw?) was a womanizer and a bit of a dandy, but he articulated the vision of those who sought equality of opportunity for the black man in America better than anyone else. He put his life, and those of his family, on the line every time he preached integration... and eventually he was assassinated for it.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-03-19 10:10|| 2008-03-19 10:10|| Front Page Top

#12 Martin Luther King himself was a fraud--a phony, skirt-chasing black preacher who plagiarized his doctoral dissertation and who swore worse than most sailors. Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, etc., are just following in his footsteps. King is nowhere near worthy of the inflated reputation he now has. Alex Haley's balloon has finally been quietly popped; maybe someday blacks will be secure enough to view MLK for what he was, not what everyone wanted to pretend he was.

The truly sad thing about blacks is that they've been offered such tawdry heroes as role models when the real, bona fide heroes they've produced--people like Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Walter Williams, Col. Allen West, Condi Rice, Ralph Bunche, Clarence Thomas and Colin Powell, to name a few--have been completely ignored (if not outright slandered) by the Democrat Party. You know, the party which claims to be acting in their behalf.

The Dems would rather honor the undeserving and inflammatory race hucksters than people who have really done something admirable. I'm sure that some day most black Americans will realize what kind of cynical scam was foisted on them by the Dems. It may not be soon, but it will come, and when it does, they'll realize that the lefty scum who kept their minds enslaved through falsehood were not one whit better--in fact, quite probably worse--than the slaveowners who bought and sold their ancestors before the Civil War

Posted by Pancho Elmeck8414 2008-03-19 10:13|| 2008-03-19 10:13|| Front Page Top

#13 Shelby Steele

I guess I never considered him black. But I guess race is a matter of self identification. He has a good article out and I will post it in opinion.

Posted by ed 2008-03-19 10:28|| 2008-03-19 10:28|| Front Page Top

#14 Pancho, you are exactly right on King, but not so right on the awakening of the blacks. If anything, we will continue to be dumbed down as a nation until something happens to force the truth upon us in grade school. I don't see that happening soon.

Posted by wxjames 2008-03-19 10:33|| 2008-03-19 10:33|| Front Page Top

#15 Martin Luther King himself was a fraud--a phony, skirt-chasing black preacher who plagiarized his doctoral dissertation and who swore worse than most sailors.

Yes, Pancho you can say that too, but its too easy to rationalize him away by ignoring what was indeed accomplished by his actions. Same with Lydon Johnson, who can be equally characterized as a two bit hustling backwoods politician who'd use the n word at the drop of the hat, even in reference to King. However, without those two individuals the possibility of the passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts of 1965 would have been slim to none. Those acts implemented intent and words of the 14th and 15th Amendments. Just holding us up to true meaning of the words articulated in the Declaration of Independence.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-03-19 10:53|| 2008-03-19 10:53|| Front Page Top

#16 I think that Pancho is a little too hard on Dr. King. We'll never know for sure because he died too young. Definitely a flawed human (ain't we all) with socialist ideas. BUT, he did deliver a lot of momentum to the Civil Rights movement at the time it could be moved.

I've always wondered how much influence the forced integration of WWII had on the creation of that "teachable moment" for society.

Posted by AlanC 2008-03-19 10:54|| 2008-03-19 10:54|| Front Page Top

#17 My attitudes towards race and religion were forged by my time in the Navy. Race doesn't matter, send the problem children to the chaplain. Let him give it a try.

Posted by Penguin 2008-03-19 10:55|| 2008-03-19 10:55|| Front Page Top

#18 B.O.'s speech in El Dorado, Kansas, January 30 '08

You know, we have been told for many years that we are becoming more divided as a nation.

We have been made to believe that differences of race and region; wealth and gender; party and religion have separated us into warring factions; into Red States and Blue states made up of individuals with opposing wants and needs; with conflicting hopes and dreams.

It is a vision of America thats been exploited and encouraged by pundits and politicians who need this division to score points and win elections. But it is a vision of America that I am running for President to fundamentally reject not because of a blind optimism I hold, but because of a story Ive lived.

Its a story that began here, in El Dorado, when a young man fell in love with a young woman who grew up down the road in Augusta. They came of age in the midst of the Depression, where he found odd jobs on small farms and oil rigs, always dodging the bank failures and foreclosures that were sweeping the nation.

They married just after war broke out in Europe, and he enlisted in Pattons army after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. She gave birth to their daughter on the base at Fort Leavenworth, and worked on a bomber assembly line when he left for war.

In a time of great uncertainty and anxiety, my grandparents held on to a simple dream that they could raise my mother in a land of boundless opportunity; that their generations struggle and sacrifice could give her the freedom to be what she wanted to be; to live how she wanted to live.

I am standing here today because that dream was realized because my grandfather got the chance to go to school on the GI Bill, buy a house through the Federal Housing Authority, and move his family west all the way to Hawaii where my mother would go to college and one day fall in love with a young student from Kenya.

I am here because that dream made my parents love possible, even then; because it meant that after my father left, when my mother struggled as a single parent, and even turned to food stamps for a time, she was still able to send my sister and me to the best schools in the world.

Posted by swksvolFF 2008-03-19 11:11|| 2008-03-19 11:11|| Front Page Top

#19 The Anerican race scene started with the collision of two diometrically different extremes. White immigrant Europeans who came from societies of mansions and wealth. Black people sold as slaves to merchants by rival black tribes fro profit who came from the wilderness and underdeveloped African jungles.

It has taken hundreds of years in America for these two peoples to normalize and even up. But what will tilt things in the wrong direction is the spewing of hate from one race towards the other. Martin Luther King did not spew hatrid and that brought people together, Jeremiah Wright and his proxies who damn this nation, most prominent proxie being Obama who clearly admires Wright, would destroy a tremendous amount of that progress in America.

Posted by Punky Threang1071 2008-03-19 11:12|| 2008-03-19 11:12|| Front Page Top

#20 PT-

White Americans may have come from scocieties of mansions and wealth but most of the actual people were poor, in many cases dirt poor.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2008-03-19 12:11|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2008-03-19 12:11|| Front Page Top

#21 Many whites came as indentured servants to this land in the early years.

Posted by BrerRabbit 2008-03-19 12:25|| 2008-03-19 12:25|| Front Page Top

#22 Reflecting back on this PC PR speech I can only reflect on one truth. BO would make a fantastic BS vacuum salesmen. In the 1920s.

Posted by Icerigger 2008-03-19 12:49|| http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]">[http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm] 2008-03-19 12:49|| Front Page Top

#23 My mother came here with one small suitcase and the desire to become self-supporting. My father had a bit more, but that's because he had been working to support himself and his mother since the age of fifteen. Neither exactly qualified as mansions and wealth, although some of Mama's cousins were very wealthy, indeed.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-03-19 13:15|| 2008-03-19 13:15|| Front Page Top

#24 Was he really as good as he sounds?

Even better. MLK did a lot for this country, though as Pancho points out he had some flaws. However, the only perfect man died on the cross and we should not go overboard dwelling on the flaws of a man who rejected violence at a time when so many embraced it.

Posted by Secret Master 2008-03-19 13:16|| 2008-03-19 13:16|| Front Page Top

#25 It was the Democrat party (Dixiecrat) that were the traders, and still are. It is demoralizing to have this hyprocracy forced into the public scene like this. Blacks were not the only slaves, many do not realize that. Democrats want to enslave the entire nation for those idiots marx and lenin. That party is an abomination.

Posted by newc">newc 2008-03-19 13:18|| 2008-03-19 13:18|| Front Page Top

#26 And yes, it is significant that this appeared in the Washington Post. It's as startling as if Le Monde wrote against President Chiraq while he was still in power.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-03-19 13:20|| 2008-03-19 13:20|| Front Page Top

#27 It's as startling as if Le Monde wrote against President Chiraq
As an aside :
Actually, and JFM could correct me, as I DON'T read l'immonde out of sheer principle, bar a few online articles pointed out by critics like Erik Svane from NP!, le monde was rather anti-shirak, in fact, it's main cartoonist made him a constant target; true, the run up to the OIF saw the msm embrace the "pacifist" and the gvt's political line (and reciprocally), but I think l'immonde always has been rather critical of shiraq, starting from the 1995 election, when it shilled for the other "conservative" candidate, édouard balladur. In France, the msm is not at the feet of the pols, in many regards, it is the other way around, the pols are terrified of going against the dogma pushed by the shattering classes.

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-03-19 13:54|| 2008-03-19 13:54|| Front Page Top

#28 Gerson is a Republican (or was one as late as 2006 when he worked for the Administration).

It would have been more significant if this had been written by a Dem.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2008-03-19 13:59|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2008-03-19 13:59|| Front Page Top

#29 Here from Salon is a cynical hard bitten Chicagoin journalist writing, in a left publication, about Obama's Chicago legacy with the white left and the pro-Paleos

Posted by mhw">mhw 2008-03-19 14:31|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2008-03-19 14:31|| Front Page Top

#30 White immigrant Europeans who came from societies of mansions and wealth.

Wow - my southern Italian-fishermen ancestors would be surprised by that.

Posted by Pappy 2008-03-19 14:54|| 2008-03-19 14:54|| Front Page Top

#31 White immigrant Europeans who came from societies of mansions and wealth.

My Irish Great-grandfather would be surprised to hear that, since he stepped off the boat with only one change of clothes and a bible as those were his only possessions in the entire world.

I'm so sick of the race baiting. The next person who whines about race and not getting a fair shake near me is gonna get punched.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-03-19 16:33|| 2008-03-19 16:33|| Front Page Top

#32 le monde was rather anti-shirak, in fact, it's main cartoonist made him a constant target

It was an incredible simile until it hit the wall of reality. Oh, well. Thank you for the correction, anonymous5089.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-03-19 16:36|| 2008-03-19 16:36|| Front Page Top

#33 #19 Check your info on the Georgia colony.

What were the two distinctives of the Georgia colony?
In: Colonial America, Georgia

Answer
Georgia is the last of the original 13 English Colonies founded in North America. It was founded by James Olgethorpe for the purpose of helping indegent debtors locked in English jails. It was the only penal colony established by England. It was the only colony founded by Olgethorpe."

Wiki answers

Posted by Proud GA Cracker 2008-03-19 16:42|| 2008-03-19 16:42|| Front Page Top

#34 Oh, and if I recall correctly, most slaveholders in America owned but two or three. The cotton fields of Alabama (is that right?) with hundreds of slaves being beaten by overseers, was an anomaly rather than general practice.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-03-19 18:02|| 2008-03-19 18:02|| Front Page Top

#35 I should also point out the enormous number of white people who worked to end slavery in the 1850s and 1860s. Ever heard of the Underground Railroad? The Army of the Potomac? Ulysses S. Grant? Abraham Lincoln? Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain? Harriet Beecher Stowe? William Tecumseh Sherman? . . .

Posted by Mike 2008-03-19 18:10|| 2008-03-19 18:10|| Front Page Top

#36 I was with you Mike until that last name....

Posted by Proud GA Cracker 2008-03-19 19:01|| 2008-03-19 19:01|| Front Page Top

#37 Proud - the irony of Cump being that of those listed, and for much of the Union Army/administration, he had the most experience with and in the CSA - IIRC he was the initial president of what became LSU, lived there for a while, and arguably had the greatest understanding of the psychological bases of the war - of course resulting in his, er - activities in the theater.

All of which is the most delicate way of saying he knew what had to be done and he did it.

Posted by Halliburton - Hyperbolic Idiot Detection Service 2008-03-19 23:04|| 2008-03-19 23:04|| Front Page Top

#38 Proud - the irony of Cump being that of those listed, and for much of the Union Army/administration, he had the most experience with and in the CSA - IIRC he was the initial president of what became LSU, lived there for a while, and arguably had the greatest understanding of the psychological bases of the war - of course resulting in his, er - activities in the theater.

All of which is the most delicate way of saying he knew what had to be done and he did it.

Posted by Halliburton - Hyperbolic Idiot Detection Service 2008-03-19 23:06|| 2008-03-19 23:06|| Front Page Top

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