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2008-02-25 Home Front: Politix

North American Army created without OK by Congress

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Posted by Anonymoose 2008-02-25 07:54|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 doesn't the US already do this anyway?

Posted by sinse 2008-02-25 08:55|| 2008-02-25 08:55|| Front Page Top

#2 This just formalizes with the Canadians that the Mexican Army has been crossing the border for years.

Posted by ed 2008-02-25 09:25|| 2008-02-25 09:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Corsi and WND are sensationalizing this (no surprise).

We've had defense agreements with Canada for decades via NORAD. Nothing in this agreement "allows armed forces from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation" directly.

What it does do is to provide a framework for coordinating planning so that when and if civil authorities request it, both militaries can respond rapidly and effectively to major casualty situations.

This is exactly like all those Pentagon plans for invading Upper Blovistan that the media breathlessly report on from time to time.

Prudent military leaders do SWOT analysis (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats) of their readiness to respond to foreseeable events all the time.

Posted by lotp 2008-02-25 09:34|| 2008-02-25 09:34|| Front Page Top

#4 Leave it to WND to turn routine, normal contingency planning into a strike force phalanx of black helicopters.

Posted by Mike 2008-02-25 09:57|| 2008-02-25 09:57|| Front Page Top

#5 Yep. I couldn't find the guy huffing into a paper bag graphic, but I thought it appropriate for this article.

Posted by ed 2008-02-25 10:01|| 2008-02-25 10:01|| Front Page Top

#6 Baaa said the sheep.

Posted by wxjames 2008-02-25 10:25|| 2008-02-25 10:25|| Front Page Top

#7 Looks like we've found a subject on which both righty and lefty loons can share their paranoia...

Posted by tu3031 2008-02-25 10:47|| 2008-02-25 10:47|| Front Page Top

#8 In May 2007, WND reported President Bush, on his own authority, signed National Security Presidential Directive 51, also known as Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20, authorizing the president to declare a national emergency and take over all functions of federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments, without necessarily obtaining the approval of Congress to do so.

Of course prior to this the feds had to wait upon the governor of a state to declare an emergency and request assistance. Days were squandered in the last set of LA riots while the local politicians played political games. Days were wasted when hurricane Andrew hit south Florida. The MSM stuck Bush Sr with the blame. The former governor of Louisiana played the same game during Katrina and the MSM went along with it during Bush Jr's tenure. So now they change the rules to match the track record. Of course MSM cries again. "Oh, now they're doing something about which we complained about." How dare they change the rules! /sarcasm off

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-02-25 10:54|| 2008-02-25 10:54|| Front Page Top

#9 OK Nutty Crazy RIGHTWING Moonbats, there is no way that Canada or Mexico (or combo thereof) will ever remotely think of invading the U.S. under any pretense. If I am proving wrong in the future I will kiss the ass of whomever they choose at high noon at the steps of the U.S. capital while Barney Frank violates me. That is how confident that this is all moonbattery. FYI we have had (to many degrees) a mutual defense agreement with Canada since their independence from England. During that time I don't remember one platoon of Canadian troops invading the U.S.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2008-02-25 11:06|| 2008-02-25 11:06|| Front Page Top

#10 LOL, Sarge!

I'm sure this can all be traced back to FDR's declaration of an unlimited national emergency. Or is it fluoridation of water? The Federal Reserve perhaps? Masons? Joooooos?
Whatever it is, I am sure that abolishing public schools and going back on the gold standard will fix it.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2008-02-25 11:28|| 2008-02-25 11:28|| Front Page Top

#11 Sarge, while I agree that this is more than likely paranoia, I do think you misunderstand the perceived threat.

IF THIS WAS NEW AND TRUE, then the perceived threat would be of the kind of stealth integration that is turning the EU into a non-democratic, bureaucratic oligarchy and turning the countries of Europe into minor administrative regions with no significant sovereignty.

No threat of invasion, that's so last century. Now the way is to batter through bureaucracy. And I KNOW that there are a number of folks that would love to see a North American Union in the mold of the EU. I doubt that I'll live long enough to see if they make any headway, but check out what the founders of the EU were doing 60 + years ago.

Just think where the ideas to use "International Law" as precedent for the US, the ICC, Kyoto, etc. come from and where they go when continually ratched up.

Posted by AlanC 2008-02-25 11:37|| 2008-02-25 11:37|| Front Page Top

#12 As I recall, September 11, Canada went into immediate action, helping to bring all those planes headed to the US on the ground in something under 2-3 hours. They landed most of our international inbound flights on their lands.

I don't directly recall -- but I'm betting, some of those military planes that were scrambled, circling cities and borders had Canadian flags on them.

I'd say, this agreement as always been there, just a little more formalized so there is formal planning for aid for another September 11 (disaster of any kind) between the two countries.

I'm not military, but I'll betcha there were American and Canadian military folks on the phones to each other that day. And we were glad to accept their help.

Posted by Sherry">Sherry 2008-02-25 11:38|| 2008-02-25 11:38|| Front Page Top

#13 The Canadians are already closely integrated into Space command. Just looks like an extension to what they are doing already.

Plus, I trust the Canadian military far more than just about any other. Limp wristed politicians are another matter.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-02-25 12:00|| 2008-02-25 12:00|| Front Page Top

#14 AlanC: I agree with you that the problem is not acute, but chronic. There are a lot of true believers, in both political parties, that the US *must* become more like the EU. "It has to, because it has to!"

What grates is that the leaders of the three NA countries *know* their citizens don't want this, but think that they know better, and so are going to do it anyway.

It is not just "covert" government and treaties, agreements, councils and declarations that are outside of normal government processes, but blatantly lying about it, that is the annoying part.

For example, Texas is in the middle of a huge fight over the trans-Texas corridor, that the people don't want. But *while* the federal and State government is fully backing it, they just blatantly deny that it even exists. C'mon, that is like something Bill Clinton would do.

There are so many trilateral "think tank" organizations between the three countries that are pushing for this, led by well known internationalists, that there has even been some efforts in the US Congress to kill the deal:

"On January 22, 2007, 43 federal lawmakers who introduced H. CON. RES. 40, a resolution that expressed:

'The sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union (NAU) with Mexico or Canada.'

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hc110-40

The bill has sat idle in Congress. Beyond these 43 Congressmen, it has little support. And that alone should send up warning flares. Congress does not care about US sovereignty.

Mexico is far along creating its Plan Puebla Panama. Canada joined, without any parliament vote, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), based solely on the input of 30 multi-national corporations that Canada should join. Just of few of their legislators objected as well.

In other words, the actions of the governments of all three nations have been so coordinated, but at the same time, so unconstitutional by their own laws, that *anything* they do multi-nationally is suspect.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-02-25 12:08|| 2008-02-25 12:08|| Front Page Top

#15 The Canadians are already closely integrated into Space command. Just looks like an extension to what they are doing already.

Yes. Since the US recently formed USNORTHCOM, which is now the parent command for NORAD, there is now both an organizational framework as well as a potential value in such an agreement.

Posted by lotp 2008-02-25 12:15|| 2008-02-25 12:15|| Front Page Top

#16 to paraphrase Bismark: If the Canadian army invaded Illinois I'd have the Chicago Police force arrest them.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-02-25 13:24|| 2008-02-25 13:24|| Front Page Top

#17 posse comitatus

Posted by OldSpook 2008-02-25 13:53|| 2008-02-25 13:53|| Front Page Top

#18 FYI I've been part of NORTHCOM down in Colorado Springs. Not that big and evil an organization. Its more concerned with airspace security, and training WMD response units at the state local and National Guard level.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-02-25 13:55|| 2008-02-25 13:55|| Front Page Top

#19 ~~Presidential Directive 51~~

OK just the number is kind of spooky.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2008-02-25 14:05|| 2008-02-25 14:05|| Front Page Top

#20 RJS that's the kind of thinking that misses the point. No one is going to invade the USA, the USA, like the UK, will just cease to exist in any meaningful way.

I'd bet, in my more pessimistic moods, that the USA in 100 years will be no more than a historical footnote or a name on a map.

40 years ago when I first went to college I learned about the "One World Federalists". The ideas and impetus has not died and the movements methodology is a slow bureaucratic suffocation.

Again, reference the EU and what little Britain retains in the way of sovereignty.

Posted by AlanC 2008-02-25 14:08|| 2008-02-25 14:08|| Front Page Top

#21 "Unity of effort during bilateral support for civil support operations such as floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and effects of a terrorist attack, in order to save lives, prevent human suffering an mitigate damage to property, is of the highest importance, and we need to be able to have forces that are flexible and adaptive to support rapid decision-making in a collaborative environment."

Oh yeah, just to coordinate air space.

Maybe the EU screwed up and failed to allow local pols to call in an army to stop the natives from throwing out the muzzies in their slums. The last thing I want to see is some foreigner directing traffic at the corner and telling us to stay in our houses, nothing to see here. The plain fact is we never needed this and we don't now, so what's really up ?
I agree with all the NAU critics. We have lost control of our political parties to the CFR, and we must regain such control if we are to pass this America to our grandchildren. Funny isn't it how America is wide open for anyone to enter, but not area 51.
Your gubmint has become your master. You still have a choice, but you will have to dedicate yourselves. Talking has it's limits.

Posted by wxjames 2008-02-25 14:46|| 2008-02-25 14:46|| Front Page Top

#22 AlanC are you suggesting we'd all just suddenly become some sort of super-state and everyone would not notice it until it's too late? I just can't accept that.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-02-25 15:46|| 2008-02-25 15:46|| Front Page Top

#23 RJS,

NO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUDDEN!! That's the whole point. That's why I suggested that you check out what the EUophiles were doing and saying 60 years ago.

How did a coal/steel treaty of 1952 wind up becoming the EU? By a process of slow encroachment through various treaties and organizations; moving to the ECC and then the Euro and then the EU constitution which will be law in most of Europe without benefit of a vote. You see, it's just another treaty, nothing to see here, no need for a vote.

This is a bureaucratic example of the "First they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did nothing."

Each small step looks harmless and maybe beneficial in itself, but it will be part of a strategy of undermining the sovereignty of the countries involved.

Check out the EU Referendum blog for all the gory details.

Posted by AlanC 2008-02-25 15:55|| 2008-02-25 15:55|| Front Page Top

#24 Amers know the glorious merits of Tex-Mex BBQ, but Canuck-Mex??? DO THE SITH LORDS STILL CALL THEMSELVES "SITH", OR "JEDI"?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-02-25 18:55|| 2008-02-25 18:55|| Front Page Top

#25 No one is going to invade the USA, the USA, like the UK, will just cease to exist in any meaningful way.

Really? What do you call all these illegal aliens that have flooded our country from Mexico and parts further South? What do you call all these Muslim immigrants and Somali refugees?

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