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2007-09-27 China-Japan-Koreas
Three Gorges Dam risk to environment, says China
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Posted by Steve White 2007-09-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11137 views ]  Top

#1 "We cannot win by achieving economic prosperity at the cost of the environment."

Such concerns have never worried them before and this statement rings especially false in light of how China has 16 of the 20 most polluted cities in the entire world.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-27 00:53||   2007-09-27 00:53|| Front Page Top

#2 ION, WAFF.com > Chicom General warns that in case of war with America, China can successfully hack into and disable the entire US power grid before the onset of any Chinese [missle]attack agz the USA.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-09-27 01:16||   2007-09-27 01:16|| Front Page Top

#3 ALso as CHINA > WFORUM Poster > in any US-China war in the Pacific, claims PLA WILL PRE-EMPTIVELY STRIKE US CARRIERS WITH LR MISSLES AT CARRIER(S)' LAST KNOWN REAl-TIME LOCATION IN REGION, and regardless iff still in US mainland Ports. China will strike first.

* NEWS > NEW SOVIET WW3 ATTACK PLANS DISCOVERED. SOviets desired to use up to 131 nukes in attack. Czech forces to do First-Strike ops, Russ forces will conduct Second/Third-Strike. READ, EAST EUROS=WARPAC GET THE INITIAL HIGH RADIATION DOSAGES = POISONING, RUSS GETS THE LEAST. Can also be interpreted - NATO + EAST EUROS ALL DIE, SOVS-RUSS GETS EVERYTHING. Sounds like NORTH KOREA vv China???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-09-27 01:28||   2007-09-27 01:28|| Front Page Top

#4 NEW SOVIET WW3 ATTACK PLANS DISCOVERED

Timesurfing or sumthing, Joe?
Perhaps you meant newly discovered old Soviet WW3 attak plans.
Posted by twobyfour 2007-09-27 01:32|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info]  2007-09-27 01:32|| Front Page Top

#5 LUCIANNE/FREEREPUBLIC/OTHER > Vertical Pipes embedded in ocean floor will stimulate algae growths and ultimately help against global warming. Want to test-bed on a tropical island - D *** NGED CARS PLUS COMMERCIALS STRIKE AGAIN!
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-09-27 05:24||   2007-09-27 05:24|| Front Page Top

#6 Next thing, the Dam will be doing a hostage video for the Flyash Liberation Army
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2007-09-27 07:18||   2007-09-27 07:18|| Front Page Top

#7 The sudden collapses of tranches of soil into the water has created waves that have been up to 50 metres (164ft) high, the agency said.

Surf's up, dude!
Posted by Jeff Spicoli 2007-09-27 07:46||   2007-09-27 07:46|| Front Page Top

#8 Why do I get the feeling that instead of a technological marvel, the damn will end up being a engineering disaster?
Oh yea. Cheap labor and corrupt officials. Get what you pay for.
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2007-09-27 08:12||   2007-09-27 08:12|| Front Page Top

#9 All this pales in comparison to if (when?) the dam fails catastrophically.
Posted by Spot">Spot  2007-09-27 08:22||   2007-09-27 08:22|| Front Page Top

#10 There aren't any environmental consequences of building the dam in Civilization IV. Just sayin'.
Posted by Chris W. 2007-09-27 09:04||   2007-09-27 09:04|| Front Page Top

#11 When I glanced at the headline, I thought it said "Three Georgia Dems"

Same diff
Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins  2007-09-27 10:48|| http://northshorejournal.org]">[http://northshorejournal.org]  2007-09-27 10:48|| Front Page Top

#12 Zen,

Not sure about your "rings false" comment. While I agree with your analysis of their history, my first reaction was

"Holy S***, if they're talking about it like this now, there must be REALLLY bad news they're not mentioning!"



Posted by AlanC 2007-09-27 12:47||   2007-09-27 12:47|| Front Page Top

#13 All this pales in comparison to if (when?) the dam fails catastrophically.

"When", not "if", Spot. The only question is whether its breaching will be an accidental or induced failure mode.

AlanC, I'll certainly grant you that this is the iceberg's tip of environmental damage in China. The Middle Kingdom may well outdo Soviet Russia for irreversible ecological destruction. Due to China's intensely concentrated population, the resulting death toll will certainly be much higher.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-27 13:01||   2007-09-27 13:01|| Front Page Top

#14 If you build a dam properly you can open the floodgates and drain it, not quickly but still.

It's so Communist that when the world is talking about smaller less damaging dams the PRC builds a giant honking one. Idiots. You would think their military alone would have clued them in on how big a target this is.
Posted by rjschwarz 2007-09-27 13:13||   2007-09-27 13:13|| Front Page Top

#15 You right Frank. The F.L.A. is just waiting for the first sign of weakness to show.
Posted by Thomas Woof 2007-09-27 14:33||   2007-09-27 14:33|| Front Page Top

#16 One has to wonder, why the sudden turn-about? If this is a gov't agency doing the reporting, it must have gotten the official go-ahead. What does the gov't seek to achieve? It would be much more in character for them (or any gov't in a similar situation) to pretend everything was just ticky-boo.
Posted by Harry Snoluting3003 2007-09-27 15:57||   2007-09-27 15:57|| Front Page Top

#17 Harry, this was the point of my post.

The only two options I can come up with are:

1) China has made a huge turn away from the dark side. (If you believe that you'll be interested in my ocean front property near Omaha)

2) There is something very, very wrong and they're trying to let facts trickle out to defuse the situation. (My bet) We have to watch this and see how it develops over time.
Posted by AlanC 2007-09-27 16:18||   2007-09-27 16:18|| Front Page Top

#18 AlanC__ you maybe..."fall down, go boom"... as opposed to "go boom, fall down"?
Posted by Thrinetch Speaking for Boskone3663 2007-09-27 16:24||   2007-09-27 16:24|| Front Page Top

#19 "fall down, go boom"... as opposed to "go boom, fall down"?

Hot contender for Snark O' the Day™.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-27 16:34||   2007-09-27 16:34|| Front Page Top

#20 Coming from you, Z., a true accolade
Posted by whatever Boskone 2007-09-27 16:54||   2007-09-27 16:54|| Front Page Top

#21 Good snark!

Actually I don't expect the dam to fall down. In my reading of the article I think that there are a whole S***load (literally) of unexpected consequences to building it.

All of the landslides, moving 1500!! factories, wasste treatment plants, etc.

I'm thinking that the whole drainage area above the dam is in danger of toxic pollution and massive geologic instability. The latter might even be susceptible to a domino effect.
Posted by AlanC 2007-09-27 18:06||   2007-09-27 18:06|| Front Page Top

#22 a true accolade

Bah! You earned it. That's a real keeper.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-27 20:41||   2007-09-27 20:41|| Front Page Top

#23 From what I understand, one of the problems is all the silt collecting right at the dam. Over time, it will probably clog the turbine generators, which was one of the major factors in building the dam in the first place. I'm sure that there is a solution - occasional dredging if nothing else, but you would think they would have thought of that ahead of time.
Also, as the water level rises behind the dam, it is flooding archaeological sites, before they can be excavated and studied. Not to mention the thousands (millions?) of people displaced by the rising water.
Posted by Rambler">Rambler  2007-09-27 21:36||   2007-09-27 21:36|| Front Page Top

#24 "you would think they would have thought of that ahead of time"

Ah, Rambler - silly you.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2007-09-27 21:54|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]  2007-09-27 21:54|| Front Page Top

#25 2008 Olympics.
Posted by Snakes Flaviper7821 2007-09-27 22:47||   2007-09-27 22:47|| Front Page Top

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