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If there is any justice in the world, every single person involved in this should get a medal, from the medic, to the helicopter crew, to the doctor and the surgical team. What they did is definitely above and beyond the call of duty.
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What a story. I can't imagine what it was like in the OR. Rambler, from the story it does appear that most of the men/women involved whom are named are at a higher rank now than they were at the time. Don't know if it's related to their acts that day or just overall time/merit.
But you're right, each of them deserve a medal.
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Its all about force unity and integrity. Too bad the rest of America doesn't understand it, practice it or promote it.
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Its all about force unity and integrity. Too bad the rest of America doesn't understand it, practice it or promote it.
Some form of civic/military service to the country should be mandatory. The options could be three years between high school and college, or, five years post college.
No exceptions! You don't serve, you don't vote.
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Socialist slavery to your favoured caused is just as immoral as socialist slavery to causes you don't favour.
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Socialist slavery to your favoured caused is just as immoral as socialist slavery to causes you don't favour.
Yawn. An amusing comment from someone living in a Socialist -soon to be Islamic- country. You know, I think I'll just pop over to the gun store and buy me that new Taurus small-frame .45 as an alternate carry-weapon. Toodles.
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Jeeze. Bright Pebbles, there still cause? In the UK? For whacking, or not whacking? Make up your mind, you have no mind, you lost it, it has gone, too late, so sorry, Good-Bye, England.
That's right. There are three sets of laws: 1)Mans Law, 2)God's Law, and 3)Natural Law (or natures law).
Natural law is what kicks in when the first two fail. Natural law is what is going to assert itself when the Left in this country go too far, and I see the tipping point up ahead.
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Funny. I missed the place where it said involuntary servitude was part of Natural Law.
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Funny. I missed the place where it said involuntary servitude was part of Natural Law.
You missed it, because I never asserted it was. My conviction that there should be some type of compulsory National Service as a prelude to earning the right to vote, has nothing to do with my screen nym.
Your adolescent attempt to equate the two is pitiful.
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It right there in da Koran, NS, oops, forgot there aint no natural law in it.
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In a world that seems full of asshats, we have a many great folks too..
Jesus, the human spirit exemplified in this drama is worth fighting for!
Can you imagine being stuck in the hip/pelvis by an object as huge as the warhead of an RPG?
Damn, if that would have gone off on/in the Humvee no more soldiers, they woulda all died. Why that didn't go off when it hit the wind shield...it must have been unarmed or a dud.
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Natural Law
Slow down, less you get slotted like a mongravian Troll
"My conviction,....." and then you waste cyber- space with an explanation of your name. Don't waste time, I dont care what your name is.
"Your adolescent attempt to equate the two is pitiful".
All I can say is, Give up, go home, we don't have slanging matches on your level here, Old Chap.
Are you naturally this obtuse, or is this willful? At no time have I suggested it be on a voluntary basis. What is your point?
I suppose that a concession could be made on the voluntary versus mandatory issue. Here, try this: If I had my way, citizens in this country would have to earn the right to vote by doing some form of civic/military service. They could choose to do 3 years between high school and college, or 5 years after college. No service, no vote.
The purpose of the service would be to break the chain of Mindless Socialist Indoctrination™ that our school systems have become...along with a surprising number of large multinational corporations.
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All I can say is, Give up, go home, we don't have slanging matches on your level here, Old Chap.
I wasn't talking to you. Old Stick.
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So ... Natural Law proposes to impose national service, perhaps compulsory, perhaps in exchange for the right to vote.
Leaving aside issues like what one requires of mothers with infants, or invalids and such (for which suitable alternatives can no doubt be devised), the problem I have is with the premise that this be done to instill an ideology (or at least to break one).
I too dislike the chain of Mindless Socialist Indoctrination in our schools. But one day might well be a Soros-backed 'progressive' who gets to choose how such a program is run - and what it teaches. Then we could have a corps of dragooned "peoples' medics" and "child care monitors" singing songs of the glorious peoples' revolution and enforcing What's Good For Us. In exchange for the right to vote.
I think the politicization of the schools can rolled back without creating yet another mandated government program that's susceptible to political manipulation.
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So ... Natural Law proposes to impose national service, perhaps compulsory, perhaps in exchange for the right to vote.
Robin, I recognize that it isn't perfect and it has its own inherent pitfalls. But this country is sliding head long into socialism, I've been watching it for over 35 years. I don't even recognize this country anymore.
The intent of the service would be not to instill an ideology, but to rekindle one that is dying. At the current rate of decline I don't see America, being the America I was born in, beyond another 10 to 15 years.
And of course, you're correct, there would have to be accommodations made for the groups you mention to do their service.
Another government program doesn't need to be created, a citizen wishing to have voting rights can choose to join the military and perform their service, or one of the existing public service organizations...like the park service or something.
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Rhodesiafever, mate, sit back and open another tinny, you've lost the plot sport.
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Natural Law, I tend to agree with you that a honking large percent of our population would be a whole lot more mature if they served for a couple years.
I just don't know how to mandate that without side effect so serious they undercut the positives.
In situations like this I usually trust competition to bring balance and sanity, so long as the market are protected against gross manipulations. Unfortunately, that can take time. But eventually it works. Kids get starved for good stories and then along comes a C.S. Lewis or a Rowling and the trash on TV is forgotten. Unions - once a good and useful movement - become openly corrupt as well as inflexible and unreasonable in their demands (as they are in the very blue state I live in) and eventually some hard working young men arrive who're flexible and eager for the opportunity to earn their way with value for wages earned.
Unless, of course, the government heavily influences what gets printed. Or mandates hiring union workers only. etc. etc.
It's not that I'm not tempted to try to hurry the process of competition along. I'd rather we not descend into Euro or full up USSR government in order for people to come to their senses. It's just that I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get only the good outcomes and prevent the bad ones .....
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#25 Robin, a thoughtful response. I share your concerns and frustrations. What I do know is that doing nothing, or relying on hope, is a non starter.
Some monumental catastrophe is going to have to happen to turn things around, something so bad that is destroys the Lefts credibility so thoroughly that The Adults step up to the plate.
Assuming of course there are any adults left.
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Actually "Natural Law", you blew it with the definition of you nym.
Natural Law is hardly there when Divine Law "fails" - you have it the wrong way round.
Divine Law is what is necessary for man once he reaches the limits of Natural Law.
St. Augustine made this pretty clear quite a few centuries ago.
Hobbes added his bit by attempting to quantify it in terms of ethics, and added an ontological dimension to what was pretty much a teleological system. Fortunately Locke identified a lot of the errors by Hobbes, but adapted the corrections that wer solid and applicable.
The "Natural Law" which threads itself through our US system is firmly based on Locke's works. This is by way of Jefferson - Locke is where Jefferson cribbed his "life liberty and property", and "inalienable rights". The Constitution, thanks to Locke indirectly, delineates individual rights that exist antecedent to it, and are not limited only to those expressed in it - they derive from natural laws, and thus are superior to man-made constructs, such as governments.
When governments become destructive of those rights founded in natural law, the people are justified at removing said governments. Sound Familiar? Go re-read the Declaration of Independence in the light of John Locke, St Thomas Aquinas and Natural Law. Its even more striking and radical than you were taught in school.
As for Natural Law - give a good amount of time and read an overview of Aquinas' Summa Theologica, and the writings of Locke if you need further education.
In regards of applying it to US and English jurisprudence, Blackstone's commentaries (as in so many cases) it the touchstone you seek.
And never wave a red flag like that at a Philosophy major. Even if I did go back and get engineering and mathematics, I still remember that part of history of philosophy petty well after all these decades.
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Actually "Natural Law", you blew it with the definition of you nym.
Natural Law is hardly there when Divine Law "fails" - you have it the wrong way round.
I blew nothing, you're over analyzing and applying Philosophical BS not to mention your own perspective to something I see from a different angle. I don't care one whit about: St. Augustine, Hobbes, Locke or any other pinhead philosopher.
Simply put, when mans laws fail, and strict observance of Gods laws will result in me perishing, I will resort to good old law of survival...natural law, as I perceive it. Not some over thought and over wrought philosophical BS.
I may perish anyway, but I intend to take some of my antagonists with me.
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Where do mans' laws come from? Hmm? You pre-suppose them, and proposes to fight them.
Where should they come from? Hmm? Can we use reason to determine law and what is good and right? Or is it all randomness and whim?
Pretty fundamental questions to which true Natural Law provides an answer.
And you are grossly ignorant of the subject matter, especially regarding Divine Law, i.e. "God's Law".
St Thomas Aquinas, John Locke - "Pinhead Philosopher", what a laugh.
In other words you are an unthinking ignorant moron, who has no concern with anything other than his own voice.
Ah, so in your view man is nothing more than an animal, and is to be treated as such. Whoever has the most force wins. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot - they loved guys like you - nice and morally pliable.
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The purpose of the service would be to break the chain of Mindless Socialist Indoctrination that our school systems have become...
By substituting it with mindless indoctrination into compulsory "service"?
Voluntary my ass. If a citizen doesn't "serve" they can't take part in other civic duties such as VOTING!!?? Thereby immediately creating an elite class and an under class.
Sounds kinda like North Korea to me, except we're substituting eating with voting.
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With your shield or On It is a fair enough motto for the duties of a citizen under Natural Law. Just as it is morally permissible to overthrow an unjust government who has strayed form natural law by passing laws that diverge from reality and imposing them, its morally required to defend your government if it is a just one in accordance with natural law.
ROME, Italy (CNN) -- Two Italian soldiers who were kidnapped in western Afghanistan over the weekend, were freed in an operation by NATO's International Security Assistance Force early Monday, Italy's defense minister said.
According to Arturo Parisi, the military operation took place in Farah province. The soldiers were kidnapped Saturday night in the Herat region. Parisi said both of the soldiers were wounded -- one severely. "They were freed in an ISAF operation. They were both injured. One is in a more difficult situation than the other," an Italian Embassy official said on condition of anonymity because of embassy policy. "They are free now. They are at a military hospital in the western region."
An Afghan translator and driver who were with the Italians were "found," the official said, adding that he did not know what condition they were in.
NATO troops located the two Italians and attacked the group of kidnappers. Preliminary reports found that five of the kidnappers were killed, though the toll may be higher, the official said. Let us join our hands in prayer . . . .
The two Italians, their driver and translator had been missing since Saturday when they were last seen at a police checkpoint in the Shindand district of Helmand province, Afghan police said. The Italians' last contact with their base was Saturday night, the embassy official said.
Taliban spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi told The Associated Press on Monday that the Taliban had not kidnapped the Italians. The embassy official said it wasn't clear which insurgent group had kidnapped the Italians.
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Two Italian soldiers were rescued this morning in Farah province following an Italian-led ISAF mission to free them. They were kidnapped Sept. 22.
This successful operation is evidence of ISAFs resolve to deal with acts of terrorism in Afghanistan, said Maj. Charles Anthony, ISAF spokesman.
Earlier today, the Italian-led force intercepted the hostages and their kidnappers (It is unclear if there eight or nine kidnappers). In the ensuing fire fight the two Italian hostages were wounded, one of them seriously. One Afghan citizen was also wounded. It is unknown what happened to the second Afghan national who was with the kidnapped victims. All the kidnappers were killed.
The freed hostages are receiving treatment at an ISAF medical facility. A href="http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/pressreleases/2007/09-september/pr070924-653.html">ISAF
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This has Delta Force written all over it. Doubt it was Italian Special Forces - they're were too busy printing million lire notes for the obligatory ransom.
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Police in western Afghanistan on Sunday were searching for two Italian soldiers missing for more than 24 hours, as gunmen ambushed a convoy in the countrys north, killing eight policemen and four civilians.
Another Taliban attack in the south left 13 dead, three of them guards, officials added. Officials in Rome said they feared the two missing soldiers had been kidnapped. The Italian Defence Ministry said the missing soldiers had been out of contact with their command for several hours. We think that they were kidnapped with two Afghans, it said in a statement, quoted by Italys ANSA news agency.
The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, which includes a contingent of about 2,000 Italian soldiers, said it had no information about the incident. The two Italians had been travelling in a volatile part of western Herat province with an Afghan interpreter and an Afghan driver when they went missing on Saturday, police said.
But the Afghans returned to Herat city late Sunday and will be questioned on Monday, said the police chief in charge of criminal investigations for the region, Ali Khan Husseinzada. We have not questioned them yet but we will summon them tomorrow to question them about the Italians, he said, adding it was still unclear what had happened to the foreigners.
Intelligence reports said the four had left Herat city in two vehicles on Saturday and then abandoned one of the cars in the Azizabad area of Shindand district, Husseinzada said. Then they drove in an unknown direction. Since then weve not heard of them, he said. Right now were searching for them. Were looking into where they might have gone or if theyve been kidnapped.
Ten Taliban dead: Separately, Taliban militants active in the south of the country ambushed a fuel convoy on a key road in Farah province, police said. The attack sparked an hour of heavy fighting between the Afghan security guards escorting the convoy and the rebels, the head of the provincial intelligence gathering department, Juma Khan, told AFP.
Ten Taliban and three of the guards, from the US-based USPI Company, were killed, he said. The rebels captured three USPI guards and five others were wounded, he added. Around seven of the vehicles in the convoy were torched and an Afghan policeman was also hurt.
The attack took place near the area where the two Italian soldiers have been missing since Saturday.
12 Afghans dead: Meanwhile, eight policemen in the northeastern province of Badakshan were ambushed while they were travelling with four civilians in a minibus, provincial police chief General Aqa Noor Kendoz said, adding that all 12 were killed. We dont know who did this. We are investigating, he said. Kendoz said personal enmity seemed unlikely and insurgents could have carried out the attack.
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They have been freed by Allied troops. But an unrelated incident two Spanish soldiers have been killed by an IED.
KOHAT, Sept 23: Local Taliban have warned tailors to strictly observe religious code while sewing clothes for men and women and keep their shops shut during taraveeh time.
In a letter sent to tailors, the Taliban claiming to be from the Jamaat-i-Islami asked them not to play music during night and threatened to blow up the shops of those not following the orders.
Police officials termed it a ploy to spread fear. They said police had made arrangements to foil the designs of the miscreants during Ramazan and Eid.
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The allies of the Democrats, tenured academics, Hollywood celebrities and all they stand for.
Maoist insurgents blew up a railway station and tracks in two Indian states on Sunday, severely disrupting the eastern rail network, but a day-long strike called by the rebels had limited impact, officials said.
In Bihar, the guerrillas set fire to about a dozen lorries, blocked highways and attacked a police patrol, killing three people, including one officer. Late on Saturday, the rebels had distributed a leaflet announcing a strike in retaliation for the arrest of people police said were connected to the insurgency, but whom the Maoists said were civilians with no ties to the movement.
We will continue our strategy to fight the Maoist menace despite these attacks, said Pravin Vashisth, a senior Bihar police officer. The Maoists say they are fighting for the rights of poor peasants and landless labourers and routinely call strikes, attack government property and target local politicians. Their influence has been growing and now stretches across large parts of rural eastern and southern India.
In the eastern state of Jharkhand, separate groups of Maoist insurgents blew up a rail station in Palamu district and railway tracks in two other districts, forcing the cancellation or diversion of dozens of trains, railway officials said. In neighbouring Bihar, rebel groups blew up a long stretch of track in Gaya district, officials said, forcing authorities to cancel many long-distance trains.
The rebels also set fire to 14 trucks on a national highway close to state capital, Patna, and attacked police in Gaya. Hundreds of them fired and ambushed a police party patrolling a highway, Baliram Chaudhary, a senior police officer said by telephone from Gaya. Thousands of people have been killed since the Maoists began their insurgency in the late 1960s in a town called Naxalbari in West Bengal state.
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The Maoists say they are fighting for the rights of poor peasants and landless labourers
They do this by closing schools, blowing up the only means of transport or communication and cutting off the ears and noses of those who dare to object.
The Peasants of course have to pay taxes to this 'People's Government'
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MIRANSHAH: Suspected pro-Taliban militants on Sunday beheaded a local contractor who supplied food to Pakistani security forces, officials said. Two militants were killed elsewhere in a clash with troops, officials added. The headless body of the contractor was found in Degan village of North Waziristan with a note attached, a security official said. Separately, two militants were killed after an exchange of fire with security forces deployed near the tribal town of Mir Ali late on Saturday, he said.
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At least 10 people were killed and 14 injured in a clash between activists of two rival tribal groups in the Barqambar Khel area of Bara tehsil, Khyber Agency on Sunday, tribal authorities said.
A political administration official told Daily Times, on condition of anonymity, that activists of two rival outfits - the Amr Bil Maroof and Haji Zarif groups - used mortars and rockets in the clash, which lasted for several hours. Some of the shelling reached neighbouring areas as well, he added. Bada Gul of Amr Bil Maroof and Sadiq, Hayat Gul, Shahid, Wahid, Abdur Rehman and Wazir of Barqambar Khel died in the clash. Meanwhile, a stray mortar shell hit a house in the Malakdin Khel area, killing a woman, her son and her daughter, while injuring three other women. Similarly, two women were injured when a mortar shell hit another house in the Sam Baba area and a girl and two men were injured after a stray shell hit their house in Hamdard Kalay. According to reports, Syed Jamin, Khan Gul, Aslam Khan, Ahmad and Wali Khan of Bara, also sustained injuries. The Haji Zarif group has asked the public to vacate the Barqambar Khel area or face further losses.
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A bomb blast occurred in Satellite town near Muhammadi Masjid here on Sunday, however no loss of human life was reported. Unidentified terrorists planted explosive material near the Muhammadi Masjid in block No 3 of Satellite Town, which went off with a big bang. The sound of the blast was heard even at a great distance from the mosque. Windows of nearby buildings were smashed. The blast created widespread panic among the public. Police and a bomb disposal squad rushed to the spot. Police have registered a case and begun investigation.
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It can't happen here
It can't happen here
I'm telling you, my dear
That it can't happen here
Because I been checkin' it out, baby
I checked it out a couple a times
But I'm telling you
It can't happen here
Oh darling, it's important that you believe me
(Bop bop bop bop)
That it can't happen here
Who could imagine that they would freak out somewhere in Quetta
New Delhi - Two people were killed in Maoist violence in Indias eastern state of Bihar on Sunday as the rebels went on a rampage and burned a dozen vehicles during the day-long strike to protest the recent arrest of their leaders, a news report said.
Guerrillas belonging to the banned Communist Party of India burned 13 trucks and two buses in the southern Gaya district, the PTI news agency reported quoting official sources. The report said a policeman and a bus driver were killed in the cross-fire between the state police and armed rebels who had set fire to six trucks on a highway. The rebels also took away some passengers of a bus as cover for their escape but later released them, the PTI reported.
The rebels called a day-long strike in Bihar, neighbouring Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh states, to protest against the recent arrest of their leaders including the chief of northern states, Tushar Kant Bhattacharya. Bhattacharya, wanted in several criminal cases on twelve systems in six Indian states, was arrested by the police in Bihar state capital Patna last week.
Maoist rebels, who claim they are fighting for the rights of the rural poor and tribal people, operate in 13 of Indias 29 states along a red corridor stretching from the India-Nepal border in the north to Andhra Pradesh in the south.
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Gosh, who do you think is pulling the strings on those Maoists? Wouldn't be the Chicoms, would it?
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Indians I know are all very nervous about China's intentions and actions. And that includes several Indian communists, who tend (apart from the Maoist fringe) to be relatively mild sorts.
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Maybe they could put these Maoists into factories making plastic crap for export to WalMart. I'd rather buy plastic crap from India than from China. Maybe it wouldn't be so crappy if it was from India. That'd give the Maoists something productive to do and it might give American shoppers a choice.
h/t Jawa Report
A forum connected to al Qaeda has announced the death of 'Juba, the Baghdad sniper'. Several videos produced by The Islamic Army in Iraq purporting to be of 'Juba' began to appear online 2005. A 'Top 10' video went viral and 'Juba' became a pop phenomenon. It also caused outrage when CNN aired clips from the video showing an American being shot and killed.
The announcement of Juba's death claimed that the sniper had left the Islamic Army in Iraq to join al Qaeda when the latter group formed 'The Islamic State of Iraq'. Juba, the announcement claimed, had been betrayed by an informant and 'was killed like a hero'.
On hearing the announcement, the popular Canadian based pro-terror website Jihad Unspun, released a poem lauding 'Juba':
My targets were many
Crusaders and traitors
All on my hit list
For a bullet through their chest
Or mortal wound
As a warning to others
Jihad Unspun is a Google News source.
Of course, the problems with the announcement of 'Juba's' death are many. First, the claim that he left the IAI to join al Qaeda. Possible, but not likely.
Second, the claim that he was killed just a few days ago during Ramadan. In November of last year the Iraqis claimed they had captured a man named Ali Nazar al Jubori and that he was the original Baghdad sniper.
Third, it seems clear that even if there was a Baghdad sniper who called himself 'Juba' (there is a popular myth that the Americans named him that, but it's not true) that the vast majority of sniping videos were not of the same man.
How do we know that 'Juba' could not have been one man? Because the very first Islamic Army in Iraq produced "Juba Top 10 video" included footage of an American soldier being hit near his Humvee. What is not shown in the Juba footage is the fact that the American survived, the sniper was killed, and this "Juba's" sidekick who filmed the incident was captured down the road, videotape in hand.
Juba was a myth created for propaganda purposes by The Islamic Army in Iraq. The same group that murdered American hostage Ronald Schulz and Italian Red Cross worker Enzo Baldoni. This is also the same group that produced the Lee Tucker: Lee's Life for Lies video, which was also a complete fabrication.
So it's not surprising that a group which glorifies the murder of civilian hostages and makes propaganda films showing a 'dead anti-war' soldier would also lie and create a sniper 'hero' named Juba. It's also not surprising that the Islamic State of Iraq would lie about this 'hero' joining al Qaeda before being 'martyred' during Ramadan. After all, al Qaeda in Iraq is the same group that paid an actor to play the part of the leader of The Islamic State of Iraq.
So, we welcome the news that another Baghdad sniper has been killed. But he's not the Juba. If there ever really was a Juba, he was either killed in 2005 or captured in 2006. And if it just so happens that this Juba is the Juba, then all the better.
This article starring:
ALI NAZAR AL JUBORI
Islamic State of Iraq
Italian Red Cross worker Enzo Baldoni
JUBA, THE BAGHDAD SNIPER
Islamic Army in Iraq
Ronald Schulz
Islamic Army in Iraq
Islamic State of Iraq
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A key to the success of the current surge offensive in Iraq is the ability of U.S. troops to quickly (within a day) set up a well defended base, anywhere in Iraq. This is done using cargo containers and portable blast proof walls. The standard 20 and 40 foot containers are regularly retained, after they arrive at a combat zone and used for work and living areas.
So that's what we're doing with all the empty cargo containers China's been sending one-way-only for years. The rest of the article is interesting, too. ;-)
WASHINGTON (AFP) - At the urging of Pentagon experts in special operations, US military snipers operating in Iraq are "baiting" Iraqis by scattering items like detonation cord, plastic explosives and ammunition and then ambushing and killing those who pick them up, The Washington Post reported Monday.
The newspaper said the classified program was described in investigative documents related to recently filed murder charges against three snipers who are accused of planting evidence on Iraqis they killed.
"Baiting is putting an object out there that we know they will use, with the intention of destroying the enemy," Captain Matthew Didier, the leader of an elite sniper scout platoon is quoted as saying in a sworn statement. "Basically, we would put an item out there and watch it," Didier continued. "If someone found the item, picked it up and attempted to leave with the item, we would engage the individual as I saw this as a sign they would use the item against US forces."
Okay, fine, but what if it's a scavenger?
In documents obtained by The Post from family members of the accused soldiers, Didier said members of the Pentagon's Asymmetric Warfare Group visited his unit in January and later passed along ammunition boxes filled with the "drop items" to be used to disrupt ... attempts at harming Coalition Forces and give us the upper hand in a fight."
Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice, said such a baiting program should be examined "quite meticulously" because it raises troubling possibilities, such as what happens when civilians pick up the items, the paper said. "In a country that is awash in armaments and magazines and implements of war, if every time somebody picked up something that was potentially useful as a weapon, you might as well ask every Iraqi to walk around with a target on his back," Fidell is quoted in the article as saying.
Yep. Some of the stuff used as bait clearly has no other purpose other than to harm us, but some of the stuff might be picked up for its value in other ways: e.g., the metal of an ammunition box. Careful is the right word for this program.
Soldiers said that about a dozen platoon members were aware of the program, and that numerous others knew about the "drop items" but did not know their purpose, The Post reported.
Two soldiers, who had not been officially informed about the program, came forward with allegations of wrongdoing after they learned they were going to be punished for falling asleep on a sniper mission, the paper said.
One doesn't relate to the other, as these two soldiers are about to discover ...
Army officials declined to discuss the classified program, according to the report.
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If nothing else, this will drive home the lesson that trying to recover military material is best left to the experts.
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"In a country that is awash in armaments and magazines and implements of war, if every time somebody picked up something that was potentially useful as a weapon, you might as well ask every Iraqi to walk around with a target on his back,"
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This is a toughie, seeing as howin the face of such grinding povertyany discarded item can represent something of value. Small children picking up such things should be given a pass, although the object should be retrieved and the kid reprimanded. Adults who scavenge such materialparticularly those who rapidly conceal their findsshould be snuffed faster than the devil can get his shoes on.
As gg so aptly notes, this is Darwin at work. Perhaps we simply need to train those populations that we liberate not to screw around with war materiel. Especially so with the Muslim ones, seeing as how they demonstrate an overly curious nature concerning goodies that go "boom" kill.
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The CYA for this is to broadcast to the public for a long time that they should *not* pick up military items found lying about, that they should notify the police or IA. And be very up front that if they *do* pick up such things they will be considered enemy.
And since the first thing the scum would do would be to have children collect the items for them, the caution parents to tell their children to NEVER touch such things.
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It's a measure of how far we've come in the last few months that the best is the MSM can do now is to take issue with specific small-unit tactics.
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I'm not sure if this program of "baiting" is even true. Seems to me, iraqis screwing w/the bait material would get picked up by coalition forces or ISF vice just getting a round through the skull. Remember, the brass is denying such a baiting operation exists. A couple snipers on charges of murder (based off charges of planting evidence after illegal hits) claim there is such a program -- possibly to cover culpability or obfuscate the issue. I've never heard of such a program in two tours of the place and I know quite a few in the scout/sniper community -- the word on something like this would've gotten out. Nor do I see any commander trying this type of tactic as the local jag would have a hissy fit/heart attack for the very reasons presented. I personally think such a program would be awesome but then again, I try to be totally pragmatic & see no problems in killing idiots dumb enough to pick up det cord, or 155mm shells, etc. I.E. -- it makes perfect sense to me so I doubt our ROEs allow for it.
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And since the first thing the scum would do would be to have children collect the items for them, the caution parents to tell their children to NEVER touch such things.
Good point, 'moose.
I personally think such a program would be awesome but then again, I try to be totally pragmatic & see no problems in killing idiots dumb enough to pick up det cord, or 155mm shells, etc. I.E. -- it makes perfect sense to me so I doubt our ROEs allow for it.
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I prefer to just follow them and pick them up for questioning. People tend to pick up things that don't seem to be in place, like finding something is a gift from God or a stroke of luck.
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Distance-kill data is recorded by snipers, but it is either classified or not released. Rumors have it that the 2000 feet measure has been long passed.
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Count me in as a 'doubting Thomas' on this one. I just can't see this being policy but I can see it being individual initiative. Especially, if you are certain there is some gullible IED master-blaster out there who is dying (no pun intended) for some supplies. America was built on initiative and innovation. Give the sniper a medal and move on to important things like Syria and Iran, for Christ's sake!
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"..as the local jag would have a hissy fit/heart attack for the very reasons presented..."
Sounds like a two fer to me.
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(AP) - Iran closed major border crossings with northern Iraq on Monday to protest the U.S. detention of an Iranian official the military accused of weapons smuggling, a Kurdish official said. At least four border gates have been closed and one remains open, the governor of the Kurdish province of Sulaimaniyah, Dana Ahmed Majeed, told The Associated Press. The move threatens the economy of Iraq's northern region - one of the country's few success stories.
I'm sure the Kurds will make things work out. And I like this closing of the Iraq-Iran border -- can we extend it to the south?
In Tehran, the public relations department in Iran's Interior Ministry said no decision had been taken to shut the border. But Kurdish authorities said the Iranians began shutting down the crossing points late Sunday near the border towns of Banjiwin, Haj Omran, Halabja and Khanaqin.
The closings came four days after U.S. troops arrested an Iranian official during a raid on a hotel in Sulaimaniyah, 160 miles northeast of Baghdad. U.S. officials said he was a member of the elite Quds force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards that smuggles weapons into Iraq. But Iraqi and Iranian leaders said he was in the country on official business and with the full knowledge of the government.
Next time the 'Iranian official' goes straight to Ice Station Zebra with no public disclosure.
"This closure from the Iranian side will have a bad effect on the economic situation of the Kurdish government and will hurt the civilians as well," said Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the autonomous Kurdish government. "We are paying the price of what the Americans have done by arresting the Iranian."
Suck it up, Jamal, you can find customers elsewhere.
A U.S. military spokesman, Rear Adm. Mark Fox, also said Sunday that Iran has smuggled advanced weapons into Iraq for use against American troops, including the Misagh 1, a portable surface-to-air missile that uses an infrared guidance system and could threaten U.S. aviation.
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This closure from the Iranian side will have a bad effect on the economic situation of the Kurdish government and will hurt the civilians as well," said Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the autonomous Kurdish government. "We are paying the price of what the Americans have done by arresting the Iranian."
and our troops, who have freed you from Saddams Sunni domination and terror, are the ones paying the price for your willingness to put greed ahead of cooperation in protecting the troops. Asshole
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what the Americans have done by arresting the Iranian
That should read yet another Iranian we thought we'd stashed safely. Ass, indeed.
From Jihad Unspun
... Aqil was well-mannered and compassionate. Briefly, thats what Hani or Aqil was! He came from the captivating beauty and great land of Egypt; from Al-Fayyum and the abundance of water, greenery, the Nile [river] and the gardens. The martyr was raised up in the school of the prisoner Skeikh `Omar `Abd-al-Rahman, and he grew up under the aggression of Egypts tyrant the unblessed Mubarak.
This man knew nothing but the road to the mosque, and the Quran as a companion. Early enough, Allah guided his mind to jihad and martyrdom despite his parents strong guardianship. With his noticeable creativity and talents he would have easily qualified to enroll in the faculty of engineering or the department of accounting. Nevertheless, only jihad was on Aqils mind. He frequented the Internet clubs, and he was sending his personal information to every friend he would come to meet on the Internet websites, and he was asking everyone to find him a way to Iraq. .... A man who has connections with the people of jihad, suggested to Aqil to refrain from sending his personal data through the Internet; otherwise, this is going to lead him to the nearest jail where he lives; anyway, its only Allah who will send him the happy outcome. ....
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thanks *not* for your usual Jihad Unspun crap, MS. It's not Page one, or anything else, IMNSHO
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It's a useful reminder of just what the Mike Sylwesters of the world admire.
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. . . Aqil fired all the rounds from his M16 American rifle which was found right next to him and all the twelve magazines he had in his possession were empty . . .
And, yet, he didn't hit anything!
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until he reached Mosul...three months after the fall of Baghdad which makes him the oldest...of the Muhajireen [migrants,] if not the third oldest migrant to the land of Al Rafidayn, and the first of the Muhajireen and Al Ansar to carry arms...
because of the great number of martyrs, we do not sense the bitterness anymore;
It confirms that Aqil and Abdullah were were not exactly cannon fodder. More importantly, the bit above confirms they've noticed they're doing very badly in the little war they started, despite all the rhetoric and the popular head-chopping videos on YouTube and the endless flow of madrassa students and mosque brainwashees. Even cutting significantly into the original cadres, the ones who had actual training and experience in their responsibilities.
Mike S. dear, perhaps you could extract the key facts from the offensively flowery rhetoric? There are an awful lot of posts to get through -- not like the early days, and it took me two readings to find those bits. It takes a little more time, but I know how deeply you care about the war on terror going well. Thank you!
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Mike S: I'm going to join the request that JU posts be edited down. We know where they stand, and the flowery rhetoric, as TW correctly notes, gets in the way of the nugget of information, whatever it might be.
We edit almost all other posts to remove fluff and unrelated information. I ask you to do the same here. We mods don't have enough time in the day to do the editing for you, and the alternative is to just delete the posts.
Also, your hilited comments should NOT be italicized, and should NOT have a trailing open line. Thanks.
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Mike S. dear, perhaps you could extract the key facts from the offensively flowery rhetoric?
That's asking a lot, trailing wife. What would be left?
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Ever gallant, Zenster dear, but patient I am not. Patience takes waaay more energy than I have to spare these days. I just know that Mike Sylwester really, really cares about WoT stuff even if he does manage to rub some people the wrong way without intending to, so I went looking for what he thought was important enough to post the article.
From Jihad Unspun
I mean the heroic Mujahid, the lofty mountain (Nidal Arabiyat), or Abu Mohammed, professor of the science of booby-trapping in Mesopotamia, the first to establish its pillars and lay its foundations and the credit is due to him after Allah, in booby trapping cars. This professor deserves the merit after Allah in most of the martyrdom operations that preceded his death, starting with AlHakim and a passage by Dimlu in the United Nations and the Italian forces, in the dens of the disbelievers in Shahin hotel and Nabils restaurant, and all the other major martyrdom operations, so lets take a look at him closely:
He was a calm young man, good natured, kind-hearted always smiling. His talk was never free of a nice joke or nice comment. ....
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The 'scent of musk'? Is that some Islamic hocus-pocus that means someone was raised up? Or just a poetic way of saying the place stunk like rotten flesh?
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Abu Hurairah reported that the Messenger of Allah [that's Mo] said: Every deed of the Son of Adam will be rewarded ten to seven hundred times its worth. Allah, Mighty and Sublime, said: Except for the fast, for indeed it is for Me, and I will reward it. He leaves off his desires and his food for My sake. There are two times of joy for the one fasting. The time of joy when he breaks his fast and the time of joy when he meets His lord. And the scent coming from the mouth of the one fasting is more pleasant in the sight of Allah than the smell of musk."
from two different haditha
Al-Bukhaaree (4/103)
Muslim (1151)
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It's like the bodies of Christian saints were believed to smell of the gardens of heaven instead of rotting flesh like normal mortals. "See? His corpse doesn't stink like Uncle Abdul, so he must be a true martyr, enjoying his 72 doe-eyed virgins in Paradise!"
there is a very old medresh (I think from Gen Rabba) that, due to his ride in the spice caravan, Joseph's remains had a pleasing order and that was how Moses id'ed the body in order to bring it to the promised land.
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I think JU is dropping its standards, the almost unarmed Lion Of Islam killed only 5 of the follish and thieving crusaders, and destroyed only a mere humvee. I thought it was at least 10 and one MBT, armed only with a koran and a smile.
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Did somebody say musk? That's not what I smell. And what's so flowery about booby-trapping a car? They're talking about burning gasoline, plastic and rubber and children screaming when it burns them. They're talking about shards of glass and metal fragments killing innocent people. It's painful and it stinks. See, this is the problem with asking people to learn Arabic: they might start thinking like Arabs which means thinking about destruction instead of creation because they've been corrupted by the devil's book.
Our military guys don't pretend to be poetic. They know the language they use is unpleasant because it's an unpleasant business so it's much better to be efficient and get it over with.
US troops on Sunday killed 10 suspected insurgents - six of them said to be foreign fighters - and detained 22 others in operations targeting al-Qaida in central Iraq, the military said.
In a raid near the oil-rich Kirkuk area, 290 kilometers (180 miles) north of Baghdad, US troops searched for a provincial al-Qaida figure in charge of foreign fighters. In clashes with militants there, eight suspected insurgents were killed. Iraqis on the scene said six of them were foreign nationals. However, their nationalities were not released.
In a raid near Samarra, 95 kilometers (60 miles) north of Baghdad, which the military said targeted a senior al-Qaida leader involved in a kidnapping network, two militants were killed and two detained. Seven suspected insurgents were detained in an operation near Tarmiyah, 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of Baghdad, the military also said.
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It's obvious to me that our ability to seek and engage al Qaeda and our ability to clean out towns and cities have improved while al Qaeda has failed to adjust and is taking loses of personel rendering them practically ineffective. As we develope more Iraqi units, time is on our side.
WAR = MOTIVATION + CAPABILITY
Al Qaeda is betting the ranch that Hillary will win. How pathetic, our democrats. How pathetic, Islam.
An Al Qaeda front-group lashed out on Sunday at a key nationalist Sunni Muslim insurgent faction in a rare criticism of a fellow rebel group, accusing it of betraying Islam by joining US forces in their fight against Al Qaeda.
In a statement posted on at least two Islamic websites used by Iraqi insurgents, the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella group of insurgent factions dominated by Al Qaeda, called on members of the 1920 Revolution Brigades to repent during Ramazan. We call on the leaders and wise men of the [1920 Revolution] Brigades to reconsider where this path will lead them and, swearing to God, we tell them that you have betrayed your religion and the pure blood of your martyrs, the statement said. Over the past few months, US commanders in Iraq have reported increased cooperation with their former adversaries in the 1920 Brigades in fighting Al Qaeda.
In their statement, the Islamic State of Iraq said they wanted to point out to the nation the truth behind the dangerous deviation [from the path of jihad] of the 1920 Revolution Brigades after we kept silent for so long in hopes they would repent.
However, we tell you [Brigades members] that the door of repentance is still open especially in this blessed month ... and to stop aiding the occupying crusaders or their miserable projects, it said.
Several Iraqi Sunni insurgent groups, angered by Al Qaeda attempts to impose their hardline version of Islam and repeated attacks on civilians have publicly denounced the extremist organisation and formed alliances to fight it.
The 1920 Revolution Brigades has begun to overtly cooperate with US forces and Sunni tribes against Al Qaeda and are also helping the Americans track down members of the terror movement.
The statement said that the Brigades had fought alongside the Americans west of Baghdad in the Abu Ghraib area, while one of its splinter groups, Iraqi Hamas, had helped US forces in Diyala province. The Brigades, which are believed to include many Saddam Hussein loyalists, were also accused of cooperating with the Anbar Salvation Council, a coalition of Sunni tribal forces fighting Al Qaeda, and staffing the police force in Fallujah.
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In all actuality, 1920's are fighting for GOD. So, this propaganda is bunk. Just watch and see.
Maybe they will get the rest of Al-Q as an afterthought. After all, if they are this good at determining evil, they may be far better at destroying the devil.
It is too bad 1920 took so long to wake up to the evil that surrounds them.
It is not a crusade, it is a fight against evil. Wake up guys.
An internal pipeline carrying crude oil to a Baghdad refinery was ruptured in a bomb attack by insurgents, police said on Sunday, the second attack on a pipeline in Iraq in five days.
Police said the pipeline connecting Baiji, 180 kilometre north of Baghdad, to the Doura refinery in the capital was hit by a suspected improvised explosive device. Rescue teams had so far been unable to reach the area. Baiji residents reported seeing flames spewing from the ruptured line. It was not clear if work at the refinery had stopped.
On Tuesday, Iraqs northern oil export pipeline to Turkey was damaged by a bomb attack that caused oil to spill into the Tigris River. The same attack also blew up another pipeline that transports crude to the Baiji refinery.
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Back to attacking things that don't move?
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Or shoot back.
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- As the global war on terror continues, the United States and its allies continue to work together to master their counter insurgency strategies. This week at the Donnelly Training Center near Fort Greely, the U.S. Army Alaska and the Indian Army continued a two week training exercise. It's training the commander of the U.S. Army of the Pacific says both countries need.
In the village of Bandsteihl, U.S. Army soldiers are trying to root out the insurgency. So they go to the one man who might be able to help them, the sheik.
Though every part of it is authentic, from the real Iraqi nationals, to the Iraqi tea and bread, the meeting is actually a training exercise. Shamil Almusawi is playing the Sheiks son. He is really from Iraq and has watched the war tear his country apart. "It's very difficult to watch but what can we do? I mean its not our choice," Almusawi said.
He is one of many Iraqi nationals taking part in the combined international exercise of the U.S. Army Alaska and the Indian Army at the Donnelly Training Center. Ali Hussein, another former Iraqi citizen is also taking part in the exercises. "We live a very hard life in Iraq in the past and we are here to help military people to make Iraq stable and free," Hussein said through a translator. "We believe they are doing the right job and that's why we are here and here to help them." Jean Mikha used to live in Baghdad and said she is not as sold on the plan. Like Almusawi, Mikha has had a tough time watching the war and said some of her relatives are among the casualties. Still, she said she supports the United States and is taking part in the training to teach the soldiers some of the important cultural aspects of her country.
"The first thing we mention; don't search women, don't touch women because there they don't do nothing. They do housework," Mikha said. All agree they want the U.S. to finish what it started so a next generation of Iraqis can live in a strong, independent country. Like Almusawi, the U.S. and Indian soldiers want the bad guys out, and countries like Iraq to gain their independence. Lt. General John M. Brown III, the commanding general of U.S. Army Pacific, said it wasn't long ago when the United States and India did not work together.
"Both of our nations are involved in counterinsurgency operations. Indian soldiers and U.S. Army soldiers are in combat environments against insurgents and this is exactly the kind of training that both of our military need," Brown said. It was just five years ago when Indian paratroopers came over to train with paratroopers at Fort Richardson. "That was really the beginning of the re-engagement for the U.S. Army and the Indian Army together and in five years we've come a long way," Brown said. The exercises also contain another common Iraqi scenario, a road side bomb detonating. This time, the target of the attack is the sheik.
Major Akash Karwal with the Indian Army said the real life training is invaluable to U.S. and Indian soldiers. "The two countries get to know each others tactics, this menace of insurgency is in our country for the last sixty years. So we've been dealing with insurgency most of the years in our country. So coming here and doing training tactics with the American Army has been fruitful to us and hopefully fruitful to the American Army too," Karwal said.
Sgt. Jason Lewton with the U.S. Army said they are sharing their newly gained knowledge with the Indian Army. "I see them where our army was a little over seven years ago so we're training them from the experiences we've gained and they can help us from a different perspective from their experiences," Lewton said. From conquering the language barriers and learning how to react in the most tense war time situations, to continuing to improve the relationship between India and the U.S. and Iraq, the lessons from this exercise benefit everyone involved.
Soldiers from U.S. Army Alaska will be heading to India in a few months for similar training in that country.
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WOW, I hadn't heard much of our brothers in arms up there in that part of the country, I hope their weather adaptation is sound, for the diametrically opposed temperatures and climate conditions greeting them, will say the least; be a tempest in a teapot!
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For the Indian troops at least, the climate won't be a problem... their Siachen base is at 20,000 ft in the Himalaya.
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The Indians do a lot of their work up in the Himalayas above the snow line, interdicting Pakistani jihadis attempting to cross the line of control, smn. It's the Iraq expats who are more likely to be troubled by unexpected frostbite, I'd think.
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Glacier goggles, overwhites, and 7.62mm firing long guns.... what's not to like? Anyone ID the manufacturer of that towed artillery piece? Note the helo blade and men walking on PSP. Thank you Mr. Frum, most excellent indeed!
Photos from 1999 Kargil War. They are blasting Pakistani positions. According to Nawaz Sharif, they wiped out most of the Pak Northern Light Infantry with their salvos...
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The 155mm Bofors aims towards Tiger Hill.
Indian soldiers raise their flag atop the 18000 ft Tiger Hill in Kashmir after recapturing it from Pakistani forces
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Sharif refuted Musharrafs claims that international pressure over Kargil had demoralised him. "It is an interesting claim... I was not demoralised by international pressure.... first, he begged me for a ceasefire and then bade me farewell at the Chaklala airbase for Washington."
Sharif said he came to know about India recapturing Tiger Hill from Pakistani troops after his first round of meeting with the then US president Bill Clinton.
"You have lost everything already, now what should I talk about," Sharif claimed to have told Musharraf during a telephone call from the US.
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Musharrif is still losing things. Now he's lost most of the Tribal Areas to the taliban/aq. Must be the worst general in the pak army. No wonder he's President!
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I think that the Indians use the Aerospatiale SA-315B "Lama" helicopter up there in the high altitude theater of operations in Kashmir. It is basically an Alouette II airframe with an Alouette III engine and rotor system. No gingerbread. It is a stripped down model. Just the basics. Nylon mesh seats, no extras, as the extras take away from payloads at 5500 meters, where they operate. Hell of a high altitude machine, where the air up there is rare. Here is a link to the particulars of the machine.
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Thanks John from all your West Coast Fans! Pleaze Keep edumacting us.. Fantastic pics
heh al-Aska Paul long time no see,
I think Denali and the Alaska Range in the dead of Winter would give the Indians a run for their training money!!
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Hello, Red Dawg! Yep, the upper slopes of Denali would be a good training ground, from 15 to 20,000 ft altitude. Only trouble is that the National Park Service would fight it tooth and nail, heh heh.
Sheik Maher Kharas, called the "White Lion" by supporters, is one of Hamas' most prominent members in the West Bank. He was snatched by pro-Fatah Palestinian intelligence officials as he traveled in Nablus, a Hamas spokesman said. The city is considered a stronghold of Hamas, which is locked in a bitter power struggle with rival group Fatah.
Security official Abdullah Kumail said Kharas actively worked to incite worshippers, and that he would be briefly detained for questioning. Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad warned Islamic preachers in June that he would not tolerate calls for violence delivered from mosque pulpits. Kharas was one of the few preachers to openly defy that warning.
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Let his broken, bleeding body be found in a dry wash somewhere in Jordan, his hands full of bloody Israeli Shekels and US dollars.
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IDF soldiers operating in Nablus on Sunday arrested a Hamas operative who attempted to escape by hiding in a weapons cache located under a pregnant woman's bed. Soldiers who entered the house where Ahmad Al-Az was believed to be hiding asked the pregnant woman to search under her bed but she refused. The woman was then moved aside and Ahmad was found under the bed with several weapons.
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IDF troops arrested on Sunday for the first time a Palestinian who had been pardoned last month by Israel. Faris Nazar, a 21-year-old member of the Tanzim terror group, was apprehended at his home in Kfar Kalil near Nablus.
IDF sources said that Nazar was pardoned by Israel under the fugitive arrangement last month under which 178 Palestinian terror suspects were temporarily "pardoned" by Israel and given the opportunity to return to a normal life in exchange for surrendering their weapons and ceasing their involvement in terror activity.
Central Command sources said Nazar was behind a number of recent bomb and shooting attacks against IDF troops in the Nablus area. The IDF said that all of the pardoned fugitives were under constant surveillance and if they broke the agreement they would be arrested.
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The IDF said that all of the pardoned fugitives were under constant surveillance and if they broke the agreement they would be arrested.
Hokay, so the Israelis weren't brain dead after all. No more pardons, right?
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Nazar should have chewed those lamb strips a little more thoroughly. Embedded in one was an RFID tracking chip that, when swallowed, attached itself to the lining of his stomach. What's not to like about technology.
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Thank you, Pappy. Damn good point. I'm too used to killing 'em wherever I see 'em.
Zen, Spetzlamist killer that you are, I'm sure you'll get to bag your limit again this year..
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Zen, Spetzlamist killer that you are, I'm sure you'll get to bag your limit again this year..
While your sincerity might be is in doubt, Red Dawg, it's still comforting to know that I spent another hour this evening talking with a Korean campaign veteran who was unaware of kitman and taqiyya. Youand anyone else who carescan rest assured that he is no longer ignorant of how Islam sanctifies false oaths or any of its other bullshit. Changing the world, one mind at a time ...
An Egyptian teen was arrested on Sunday, as he tried to sneak into Gaza to join suicide bombers there, the Interior Ministry said. The 16-year-old was arrested for a second time in six months at the Rafah crossing in Sinai and the ministry said he confessed he wanted to meet with elements of Palestinian resistance in Gaza to explode himself in a suicide operation against the Israelis.
Following his prior arrest, the teenager had been returned to his family due to his young age. It wasnt immediately clear what Egytian authorities will do this time, as people below 18 are considered minors. Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty in 1979, and the border has never been heavily fortified. In some places, it is not even clearly marked. Israel sends only mobile patrols through those areas, leaving the border wide open for smugglers to bring in contraband, drugs, illegal workers, prostitutes, and, most recently, refugees from Sudan. In July, Israel said about 2,800 people, including 1,160 Sudanese, crossed illegally from Egypt.
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The 16-year-old was arrested for a second time in six months at the Rafah crossing in Sinai
Egyptians. Doing the 'sploding Phakestinians won't do.
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Break his elbows and kneecaps, and don't let him have any medical attention until after they've "healed". He won't be ABLE to be a "martyr". In fact, he'll have to be waited on, tying up others that could possibly wage jihad. He'll end up a begger on Cairo's streets.
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WASHINGTON (al-Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney had at one point considered asking Israel to launch limited missile strikes at an Iranian nuclear site to provoke a retaliation, Newsweek magazine reported on Sunday. You go over there and risk getting the snot beaten out of you and we'll come in and back you up somehow.
The news comes amid reports that Israel launched an air strike against Syria this month over a suspected nuclear site. This must prove the first sentence. Citing two unidentified sources, Newsweek said former Cheney Middle East adviser David Wurmser told a small group several months ago that Cheney was considering asking Israel to strike the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz. Those two unidentified sources again. Boy those two really get around, don't they?
A military response by Iran could give Washington an excuse to then launch airstrikes of its own, Newsweek said. Ah, Newsweek said. All hail Newsweek!
Wurmser's wife, Meyrav Wurmser of the neoconservative Hudson Institute think tank, told Newsweek the claims were untrue. So much for Newsweek's fishing trip.
Wurmser left Cheney's office last month, the magazine reported. The steady departure of neoconservative hawks from the administration has also helped tilt the balance against war, it said. Sorry, W. There are more than 50% doves around you. You can't start anything.
Washington has been pursuing diplomatic efforts to persuade Iran to alter its nuclear program. It has refused to take military options off the table, even U.S. resources are taxed by having 169,000 troops in Iraq. What about those additonal troops? You know, the 500k Iraqi Army troops? And who says we'll need all 169k of them where they are if AQI isn't getting constantly resupplied by Iran? And don't forget about Israel!
Although some intelligence sources say Iran is years away from nuclear capability, Israel believes that military action may be necessary as early as 2008, Newsweek said. My $$$ is on Israel. They've been calling things pretty well for years, long before those "other sources" were even seriously considering Iran as a problem that could get out of hand.
Israel has declined to comment on the reported air strike, while Syria has denied receiving North Korean nuclear aid and said it could retaliate for the September 6 violation of its territory. That's their stated excuse. If it wasn't that, it would be something else.
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Police in western Afghanistan on Sunday were searching for two Italian soldiers missing for more than 24 hours, as gunmen ambushed a convoy in the countrys north, killing eight policemen and four civilians.
A bomb blast occurred in Satellite town near Muhammadi Masjid here on Sunday, however no loss of human life was reported. Unidentified terrorists planted explosive material near the Muhammadi Masjid in block No 3 of Satellite Town, which went off with a big bang. The sound of the blast was heard even at a great distance from the mosque. Windows of nearby buildings were smashed. The blast created widespread panic among the public. Police and a bomb disposal squad rushed to the spot. Police have registered a case and begun investigation.
New Delhi - Two people were killed in Maoist violence in Indias eastern state of Bihar on Sunday as the rebels went on a rampage and burned a dozen vehicles during the day-long strike to protest the recent arrest of their leaders, a news report said.
WASHINGTON (AFP) - At the urging of Pentagon experts in special operations, US military snipers operating in Iraq are "baiting" Iraqis by scattering items like detonation cord, plastic explosives and ammunition and then ambushing and killing those who pick them up, The Washington Post reported Monday. 
An Egyptian teen was arrested on Sunday, as he tried to sneak into Gaza to join suicide bombers there, the Interior Ministry said. The 16-year-old was arrested for a second time in six months at the Rafah crossing in Sinai and the ministry said he confessed he wanted to meet with elements of Palestinian resistance in Gaza to explode himself in a suicide operation against the Israelis. 
Citing two unidentified sources, Newsweek said former Cheney Middle East adviser David Wurmser told a small group several months ago that Cheney was considering asking Israel to strike the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz.
