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2007-06-03 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Frank G 2007-06-03 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 I love this line:

Lets put this in another perspective: If I break into Sen. Ted Kennedys Massachusetts home and move into one of his spare bedrooms, as long as I pay a fine, pass a background check, keep a job, stay out of trouble and speak drunkenese, I can continue to live there.

And if I just pay a little bit more of a fine, I can actually become a member of the Kennedy family, as long as I return briefly to Nevada and fill out some paperwork. The fact that I broke the law by breaking into his home in the first place doesnt mean I have to move out. Im forgiven, and wont suffer any penalty other than having to pay a little fine.

But thats not amnesty, right?

Posted by 3dc 2007-06-03 00:28|| 2007-06-03 00:28|| Front Page Top

#2 The Lileks:

I tire of the preludes one has to make, all the protestations of anti-nativism. Its not enough to say youre in favor of immigration, and lots of it; anything short of dropping thousands of blank American birth certificates on the other side of the Rio Grande is construed as Nativist Hysteria. All I want is a fence, but even that desire makes people jump up and shout at the house HEY! what gives you the right to put a fence to keep people out and keep your antiquated concept of privileged-status Northern European culture in? If God was here to tell it to your face, man, youre some kind of sinner!

What really irks me more than the Administrations mulishness is their tone-deaf replies to the bills opponents, and it really is Le Straw Finale. Add to the list of lesser mistakes to which any administration composed of human-type people is prone, add the ham-fistery evident in their handling of those events... and you have a general Throwing Up of The Hands on the right. Self-inflicted wounds, every one of them.

Posted by Pappy 2007-06-03 01:05|| 2007-06-03 01:05|| Front Page Top

#3 It's the last straw for me also.

President Bush is toast as far as i am concerened. I shut up and voted for him twice and supported him thru all kinds of happy horse shit...but this is it for me.

Posted by RD 2007-06-03 04:23|| 2007-06-03 04:23|| Front Page Top

#4 When the RNC comes asking for money, send pesos.

Posted by exJAG 2007-06-03 04:11|| 2007-06-03 04:11|| Front Page Top

#5
President Bush is toast as far as i am concerened. I shut up and voted for him twice and supported him thru all kinds of happy horse shit...but this is it for me.

Posted by RD">RD 2007-06-03 04:30|| 2007-06-03 04:30|| Front Page Top

#6 This bill made me mad enough to write both Senators and my Representative the first day I read about it. I've written them again since. Bush's stance on this totally disgusts me and I won't give any Republican who supports this bill one damned dime. As a lifelong Republican, I have to say that this man is the worst Republican President in my time and is pressing to be the worst President ever. Jimmuh Catuh only gave away the Panama Canal; Z-visa Bush is trying to give away the whole damned country. NO WAY, JORGE!

Posted by Mac 2007-06-03 06:10|| 2007-06-03 06:10|| Front Page Top

#7 I notice George that you have a fence around your house and property. Why? For all those who support this action, first remove all locks on any doors or windows on your home since you want to remove them on our home. It's not about the illegals here, though the high levels of crime and heavy burden on our commons of education, health, and safety have been excessive. No, it's about a national identity. A country with virtual borders is a virtual country.

The preamble of the Constitution says it all. It is We the people of the United States.., not we the people of the North American Union, the United Nations, or whatever. That is a compact between the people and the entity that constitutes the government. We grant the government powers. We agree to be law abiding, to pay our taxes duly levied, and to contribute to the common good. Those who have sought that power and who have held that power have lied too many times about securing our southern border. Since 9/11 more Americans have likely died at the hands of illegals here than what the terrorist have done. Yet, our government, while making herculean efforts against the killers in one theater, plays fast and loose with the source of the other scourge upon us. The powers within the beltway have abandoned their office and responsibilities. This is not really about the 12 million illegals here. Its is about the relation of a people and its government, just as the issue two hundred years ago wasn't about the Tax Act as much as it was about the relationship between the people and its government. Adams, Franklin, and Jefferson were raising issues that they defined as the natural rights of Englishmen. Today we raise the issue about the natural rights of Americans. This act destroys the commons. It declares that it is everyman for himself. What exists as the United States after this act is merely facade for the trappings of powers that can not call upon its legitimacy based upon the consent of the governed, because it so clearly ignores the governed and sells its heritage cheaply.

In the end it is not votes that legitimizes a government for many a dictator run shame votes often to give them the appearance of legitimacy. Rather it is the willingness of the people to act freely to support and defend that government which sustains it. When you kill the commons, there's nothing left to fight for.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-06-03 07:47|| 2007-06-03 07:47|| Front Page Top

#8 I like how you think P2K.

Posted by jds 2007-06-03 10:14|| 2007-06-03 10:14|| Front Page Top

#9 I returned the RNC collection envelope with a 'strongly worded reply'. The really cool part is I got to use the F word, and they got to read it.
This is all Bush's doing. He has created a monster funding problem and he, personally has nothing to lose. What an ass.

Posted by Grusosh Borgia9229 2007-06-03 12:11|| 2007-06-03 12:11|| Front Page Top

#10 How long do you suppose it would take these meatheads to process 12 million illegals anyway ?? 16 years..??? 40 years...??

Posted by crazyhorse 2007-06-03 12:51|| 2007-06-03 12:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Jimmuh Catuh only gave away the Panama Canal; Z-visa Bush is trying to give away the whole damned country.

Today we raise the issue about the natural rights of Americans. This act destroys the commons. It declares that it is everyman for himself. What exists as the United States after this act is merely facade for the trappings of powers that can not call upon its legitimacy based upon the consent of the governed, because it so clearly ignores the governed and sells its heritage cheaply.

Thanks Mac and P2k. Very well stated. I was a strong supporter of this president and the Republican Party, but I became increasingly frustrated after the 2004 election. I predicted the 2006 Trunk bloodbath in 2005, but I didn't want to believe that our "government" was no longer acting with the consent of the governed. If this act passes, the USA is finished as a great power. Multiculti will have won because it destroyed the American character. Try to imagine a North American Union that tries to blend the American character with Canadian moonbattery and Mexican corruption. When you kill the commons, there's nothing left to fight for.

What Bush really thinks

It comes down to this: Bush adores Hispanics, as good, human people, and he dislikes white Americans, as nasty, prejudiced people.

We've discussed this at VFR many times. We've had good insights and speculations into why he loves Hispanics. But as far as I remember we've never had a theory explaining why he prefers Hispanics to white Americans, meaning, why he sees only good in Hispanics, and why he sees so much bad in non-Hispanic whites.

Think that goes too far? Listen to how they promote the bill.

The conservatives have reached the turning point on Bushand its immigration that did it

Posted by SR-71 2007-06-03 12:59|| 2007-06-03 12:59|| Front Page Top

#12 Procopious2K---That is ONE FINELY CRAFTED ARTICULATE PIECE OF WRITING!!! [/JM caps] All kidding aside, you concisely and eloquently hit the nail on the head. Our so-called leaders in Congress have turned their backs on the compact between the People and their Government.

The only way to get through to to the so-called leaders is to hit them in their pocketbooks. Citizens who obey the law and contribute to this country are penalized for being good citizens. Well, Mr. President and the Congress have backed us into a corner. We oppose them or we acquiesce to the culture of corruption. I guess the lines are drawn.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-06-03 13:33|| 2007-06-03 13:33|| Front Page Top

#13 "Its is about the relation of a people and its government, just as the issue two hundred years ago wasn't about the Tax Act as much as it was about the relationship between the people and its government."

Well said, Procopius.

Posted by Jules 2007-06-03 13:59|| 2007-06-03 13:59|| Front Page Top

#14

Posted by DMFD 2007-06-03 14:42|| 2007-06-03 14:42|| Front Page Top

#15 Frank G, you are 100% right about Hunter. He is a GREAT guy. I am in Bilbray's district. Although I don't agree with Bilbray any many things (he's a little too liberal) I will say he's been awesome on the immigration thing. I'm mad as hell at Bush. No mo $$$ from me. And I'm so glad I never sent a dime to the Governator. He's a bigger spender/liberal than Davis was.

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2007-06-03 15:16|| 2007-06-03 15:16|| Front Page Top

#16 IP - those who don't live on the border don't understand the visceral feeling of backstabbing we get from every unfulfilled promise of border security/crackdown on illegals/emploment enforcement. It's bad enough, but when we get called names for expressing our feelings, in my book, that party or person has walked away from US. I see Rove's hand in this, but I also think W wants it himself. No Mo $!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-06-03 15:36|| 2007-06-03 15:36|| Front Page Top

#17 Kennedy doesn't care about this country. He is only trying to obtain 40-60 million new Democratic votes over the next decade. Essentially hew wants to destroy the two party system. Why is Bush and the Republicans going along with this sham? Do they want to destroy the two party system? Are they stupid? What the hell's the deal with them.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-06-03 15:40|| 2007-06-03 15:40|| Front Page Top

#18 And many people who don't live on the border don't realize the extent of the "invasion". If they ever had the chance to visit a San Diego area emergency room they would find a multiple hour wait while they handle a room full of illegals. Of course the ER's are not allowed to ask any questions and are obligated by CA state law to treat them. If these 12-20 million illegals get amnesty the American southwest territorial integrity will be at stake. Within our lifetime. The anchor baby children of illegals are growing up. And now they are taking over city councils, water boards, planning boards and even the state government. The liberals fight against assimilation has caused these people to maintain an allegiance with Mexico. This may not have a happy ending. Just look at what happened to Serbia when the Albanian Muslims came in, reproduced at a furious rate and then wanted independence.

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2007-06-03 15:54|| 2007-06-03 15:54|| Front Page Top

#19 So true! best way to get quick service in an ER? Wear a border patrol badge - watch the room clear out

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-06-03 15:57|| 2007-06-03 15:57|| Front Page Top

#20 When is this bill set to become law?

Posted by Shipman 2007-06-03 17:52|| 2007-06-03 17:52|| Front Page Top

#21 The president next complimented ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency) for making more than 3,000 arrests for immigration violations since the beginning of this fiscal year.

Great, only 9,997,000 to gogive or take a few million. Not bad for 15,000 employees on a bare-bones taxpayer-funded budget of just $4.2 billion. That would be one arrest for every five employees at a cost of only $1.4 million per arrest. Yep, were really getting our bang for our buck there, arent we?

Now, multiply those figures by some 12 million. This doesn't even include the family members that Z visa holders will be able to import. Will they get screened too? I doubt it.

I notice George that you have a fence around your house and property. Why? For all those who support this action, first remove all locks on any doors or windows on your home since you want to remove them on our home. It's not about the illegals here, though the high levels of crime and heavy burden on our commons of education, health, and safety have been excessive. No, it's about a national identity. A country with virtual borders is a virtual country.

Author! Author! These fat bastards sit in their gated enclaves, get driven about in chauffeured vehicles and use military transports. Laws are for the little people to obey, not them.

If the republicans ever wonder why they have such a difficult time winning over the little people, it's this sort of pandering to big business that stops them cold. There is no other explanation for why Bush is pushing this load of manure.

Face it, electorally, the democrats will be the big winners from this bill. Why then are the republicans backing it too? It's suicide, until you consider where the republicans get all of their campaign financing.

Here's a real simple start. Begin sweeps in front of every hardware store like Home Depot. I'd bet some 98% of the people sitting outside looking for work are illegals. Next stop, the food industry. Due to their tight margins, they are one of the largest employers of illegal help in America.

My own belief is that our politicians do not want any immigration reform because of all the masked contributions streaming into Social Security. Imagine the untold BILLIONS flowing into Social Security from all of the false IDs and documentation. You may as well leave an open cookie jar in a class full of kindergarteners.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-06-03 18:07|| 2007-06-03 18:07|| Front Page Top

#22 I think Zenster has hit upon a salient point. The detection of illegals working in the US would be hugely increased if the Social Security Administration were told to disclose it's records to ICE. They don't as a direct result of government policy. Yet they do share info with the IRS, negating any privacy claims. Willful policy is they only possible answer.
Regarding the massive influx of illegals, and the prostitution of our soverignty for votes and cheap labor, my level of anger at my own government and polital party has never been higher. Most angering, is the total bankruptcy thses decisions will have on what's left of the public treasury. What follows will be means testing for government services, including social security and increased taxation. Essentially, force economic serfdom for those of use who pay taxes now, and who have honestly carried the freight and paid the bills in prepaaration for our own retirements, now defrauded of earned benefits by invading thieves and gutless political leaders. This is the stuff of revolution and violence left unchallenged.....and ugly things are coming no matter how this plays out.

As an aside of how fast this is breaking down, Note that there is scant informaiton about the Border Patrol revolt in the Tucson Sector, where agents refuse to be aggressive as a protest for agent prosecutions..... have you heard a peep about it?

Posted by JustAboutEnough 2007-06-03 19:08|| 2007-06-03 19:08|| Front Page Top

#23 I swear I checked spelling twice....

Posted by JustAboutEnough 2007-06-03 19:09|| 2007-06-03 19:09|| Front Page Top

#24 Don't worry about it, JAE. Your point is well made. Is this true, that Social Security is not allowed to run audits with Immigration? If so, heads need to roll.

Legend has it that when computers were first installed at Social Security, the first thing they did was run a cross-check of employee SSNs (Social Security Numbers) against the SSNs of those receiving payments. Supposedly, they got thousands of hits. The next cross-check was against the SSNs of relatives of Social Security employees. A similar outcome followed.

How the fuck is it that Social Security is not allowed to perform routine cross-checks against the INS or ICE database in order to catch contributions to accounts of deceased SSNs or multiple contributions to existing SSNs? This would represent a dead-nuts certain way of detecting falsified work documentation.

What is it that makes our politicians so reluctant to institute such a policy? Again, while our politicians are so busy raping Social Security, not to mention trying to cover up its eventual collapse, the BILLIONS of unrecoverable contributions being made by illegal aliens represent nothing more than a "busted lock on a candy store".

Well, what about it, fellow Rantburgers. Anyone got something to refute this theory? I'm eager to hear it.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-06-03 20:00|| 2007-06-03 20:00|| Front Page Top

#25 Multiculti will have won because it destroyed the American character. Try to imagine a North American Union that tries to blend the American character with Canadian moonbattery and Mexican corruption.

The American character is not "multiculti"??? Shit, what are you? American Indian?

What a bunch of racists. But anyway, continue in your merry racisms and you'll soon be part of the grand dustbin of history. Pass the popcorn.

Posted by Injun Ebbavitch1977 2007-06-03 20:09|| 2007-06-03 20:09|| Front Page Top

#26 Injun Ebbavitch1977

Its about borders and the meaning of borders.
Its about government and the meaning of government.
Its about "the citizens" and thieves sneaking in to eat the citizens and their jobs and their stuff.
Its about a Nation vs a virtual Nation.
Its about "We the People"

No racism! Its about our nation not illegals stealing it.

Posted by 3dc 2007-06-03 20:52|| 2007-06-03 20:52|| Front Page Top

#27 Citizenship: The status of a citizen with its attendant duties, rights, and privileges.

Procopius2k In the end it is not votes that legitimizes a government for many a dictator run shame votes often to give them the appearance of legitimacy. Rather it is the willingness of the people to act freely to support and defend that government which sustains it. When you kill the commons, there's nothing left to fight for.

I've been at this immigration fight since before prop. 187 here in Caliphornia and I think folks are even more pissed off today.

We must fight longer though, for our children's sake and for the sake of every Citizen Soldier who ever fought and bled for our Country.

and Yes lets withhold money from the pols and withhold Federal taxes from King George too [shelter them legally] but we need something more...

Something Massive.. Perhaps a 2007 Super Boston Tea Party across the country.

Posted by RD">RD 2007-06-03 21:05|| 2007-06-03 21:05|| Front Page Top

#28 It's the "Not a Dime" campaign, RD! NAD for the
Clueless! (Beats feathers and stuff in Boston.)

Posted by Sholuque Hatfield5140 2007-06-03 22:29|| 2007-06-03 22:29|| Front Page Top

#29 Sholuque Hatfield5140

lol, I was thinking along the lines of our
fore-fathers, what would the founders do IOW.

Posted by RD ">RD 2007-06-03 22:40|| 2007-06-03 22:40|| Front Page Top

#30 Funny thing about IE1977 and people like him. Even he knows what the American character is, but he hates it. Guys like him hate traditional America, but it is wrong to say they hate America. They love the America of abortion 'rights', gay liberation, radical secularism, radical feminism, and the kind of multiculturalism that says a mud hut is just as valuable as a great cathedral. These people make alliance with any force that they think will destroy traditional America - whether it be head chopping Muslims or illegal aliens. That is why they want the jam-down on this immigration bill. Of course, push back a little, and he screams racist, bigot, homophobe, etc. because he knows deep down that he has no real argument.

I've said before that these guys think that they are smarter than everyone else, and they think they will rule after they destroy the existing order. In reality, they will be the first to be stood against the wall when the current order fails.

Posted by SR-71 2007-06-03 22:47|| 2007-06-03 22:47|| Front Page Top

23:12 USN, ret.
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22:46 RD
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