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2007-04-16 -Short Attention Span Theater-

The Jacksonians vs the Wilsonians: Who is to Prevail?

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Posted by SR-71 2007-04-16 09:08|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/845102/posts (original article linked by SdB is for sucribers only)
http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people3/Mead/mead-con0.html

Posted by Alistaire Japer6213 2007-04-16 13:02|| 2007-04-16 13:02|| Front Page Top

#2 Where did my cookie go? Did I eat it? It's true I eat a lot of cookies.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-04-16 13:03|| 2007-04-16 13:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Jacksonians like cookies too. Jacksonian women make the best cookies.

Posted by wxjames 2007-04-16 13:51|| 2007-04-16 13:51|| Front Page Top

#4 Is Pelosi Wilsonia, or, is she Jeffersonian? A Wilsonian beleives in spreading US values, albeit by multilateral means, per Mead, while Pelosi seems closer in some ways to a pacifist Jeffersonian.

On the other hand, where does someone who believes in spreading US values by unilateral means, but whos not antiimmigrant, and who sees value to doing things for foreigners, and is even multilateralist to a limited extend, like the more moderate Weekly Standardish neocons, fall on that spectrum. Id say more Wilsonian than Jacksonian.

Esp when the multilateral institutions are hostile to the Wilsonian project of spreading democracy, its hard to say whos a Wilsonian? Those devoted to the international agencies above all, like some liberal Dems? Those who react with hatred to the international institutions, but support the rest of the Wilsonian project,like the more rightwing neocons? Those who lean mainly toward the substance of the Wilson project, but will tolerate the UN, like the moderate neocons? Or those who explicitly value the UN, but will be unilateral with reluctance, like the Clintonian liberal hawks?

Id say at this time the weaknesses of the Mead scheme are as great as its strengths. Unless one is just using it for namecalling.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-04-16 15:43|| 2007-04-16 15:43|| Front Page Top

#5 Missed the point as usual LH. The model refers to two generalized mindsets: action oriented optimist vs. talk oriented pessimists. No model covers everything - as you well know.

Posted by SR-71 2007-04-16 16:22|| 2007-04-16 16:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Keep in mind what this article is calling "Wilsonian" is somewhat different from WRM's version(s).

WRM had "right" Wilsonians (the closest we have are neo-cons) and "radical" Wilsonians (more the One-World type). While the latter would overlap with the people this article is describing, many of the latter aren't really Wilsonian at all, more say soft-core Marxists.

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