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Ellison: Lawmaker has 'a lot to learn about Islam'

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Posted by .com 2006-12-22 02:39|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Agrees the Virginia lawmaker has a lot to learn but not in the sense that idiot/Saudi_paid politician means.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-12-22 04:19|| 2006-12-22 04:19|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't get it. After 9/11, people said we should try to understand Muslims. So I asked two Muslim friends (one Egyptian, and one Iranian): "what's the deal?" Never heard from them again.

So I started reading: current events, culture, history, theology. I learned about the selv-serving pedophile prophet, the caravan raids, wars of conquest, shari'a law, dhimmitude, taqiyya, jizya, rapes, beatings, beheadings, slavery, slain teachers, and burned-down churches and libraries. Yes, there are brief periods where the butchers take a break from the limb-hacking and pillaging. But I still had to conclude that Islam is more satanic than satanism, and every further bit I learn only confirms it.

Now, more and more Muslims say I should learn more about Islam. Okay, so I continue to read just about everything I can get my hands on, and the only new information I find is yet more grotesque, inhuman atrocities. The more I learn, the more I want to see this cancer eradicated from the face of the earth.

So I don't understand why Muslims say we should learn more -- as if we're going to find a pony under the tremendous pile of horseshit. Why do they say it? Seems to me they're taking a big gamble that we'll turn to CAIR or Karen Armstrong and not Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer, or Sura 9.

Posted by exJAG 2006-12-22 05:21|| 2006-12-22 05:21|| Front Page Top

#3 Very likely Virgil Goode, like many of us, learned everything worth knowing about Islam on the morning of September 11, 2001. In my case, that day merely refreshed my memory of what I had already learned long before that.

We will have no peace until Islam is eradicated. So long as it exists, it will constitute a menace not just to our freedom, but to our very existence.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-12-22 08:04|| 2006-12-22 08:04|| Front Page Top

#4 We will have no peace until Islam is eradicated

Accurately diagnosed. Islam is a diseased 7th century warmongering death cult, utterly incompatible with modern society.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-12-22 09:04|| 2006-12-22 09:04|| Front Page Top

#5 As a Minnesotan I'm sickened by this fuvking fraud. I'm also sickened at the Islamic ass kissing going on over at Michelle Malkin's hotair.com. What the shit is going on with pathetic conservatives defending Muslims, Islam and Ellision?

What part of the quran's call to convert, murder or enslave us all don't they get?! Criticizing "moderate" muslims over on hotair will get you banned. Allahpundit and his like are completely part of the west's problem. Clearly these fools don't give a shit about our future. They are completely devoid of any historical reference regarding the complete and total violent roots of Muhammad's desert terrorist cult.

Would they defend Ellison taking the oath on MEIN KAMPF???! Hell no! But they still defend Ellison as a moderate CAIR Muslim bell fellow. So my question of Allahpundit and other fools of similar veins, what is "moderate" about a book written by a pedophile who demanded murder of his political enemies and promoted terrorism and common theft?

What is refreshing is to find people who have taken the time to learn about Islam from its own sources. ExJag and Zen come to mind.

In the mean time fuvk Ellison and his chanting Allen Ackbarned supporters. Allahpundick included. I'm in New York right now and you know something Allah, you need to go visit the hole and see where thousands of Americans learned about Islam the hard way you worthless prick.

Posted by Icerigger 2006-12-22 09:13|| 2006-12-22 09:13|| Front Page Top

#6 ...a lot to learn about Islam

...there's really nothing to fear

...they are here to support and strengthen America

...there is nothing to be afraid of

...we should find ways for common ground.

...you are getting very sleepy. Watch my mouth. You are getting very sleepy...

Posted by tu3031 2006-12-22 09:17|| 2006-12-22 09:17|| Front Page Top

#7 I think we all know "all we need to" about this pure evil called Islam. Every once in a while, Oct 3rd, Sept 11, etc... we are reminded of what we know about Islam and that it is the direct opposite of Christian and American values. Now through the lost soul of this Minn Congressman we must allow true evil into our house. Next step for him will be to force Congress to break 5 times a day for prayers and to pass laws supporting Sharia law in Islamic communities.

I laughed when Minn voted in a WWF wrestler as the Gov and when Abby Hoffman got an award from that state even though he was wanted by the feds, but this has gone too far. Minn shoud be ashamed of what they have brought to Washington DC to represent them. This will not be a Congress of issues over the economy or defence or health care. It will be about the Islamafication of congress. He will start making small demands and then build on our good nature. Saying things like we need to learn more about Islam and how great America is because it is so diverse. I have been to a great number of Islamic run countries and not one is peacefull, I'm not sure if there is one on this planet. This is wrong on so many levels it just makes me sick.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-12-22 10:12|| 2006-12-22 10:12|| Front Page Top

#8 I agree with Keith...we need to learn more...just like about cancer. The quicker we learn the faster it can be eradicated before it metasticizes too far..

faster please....

Posted by Warthog 2006-12-22 10:29|| 2006-12-22 10:29|| Front Page Top

#9 As a Wiccan, if elected, I will slit the throat of a goat as testament to my faithfulness to the country.

Posted by Penguin 2006-12-22 10:50|| 2006-12-22 10:50|| Front Page Top

#10 If there is a God, Keith Allahson will be a one term congressmen.

Posted by Mike N. 2006-12-22 11:05|| 2006-12-22 11:05|| Front Page Top

#11 ExJag: So I started reading: current events, culture, history, theology. I learned about the selv-serving pedophile prophet, the caravan raids, wars of conquest, shari'a law, dhimmitude, taqiyya, jizya, rapes, beatings, beheadings, slavery, slain teachers, and burned-down churches and libraries. Yes, there are brief periods where the butchers take a break from the limb-hacking and pillaging. But I still had to conclude that Islam is more satanic than satanism, and every further bit I learn only confirms it.

request, does anyone have a link for the nifty civilization flash map posted a couple of weeks ago [assoiated with a *fjordman thread if i remember correctly]

Posted by RD 2006-12-22 11:28|| 2006-12-22 11:28|| Front Page Top

#12 Icerigger,
You may have expounded on this before, but what sort of district elected this POS ? Is this the area where all these Somali scum suckers hole up ? How did these assholes get to Minnesota anyway ? Surely, most are here illegally. Can't a raid be put together? Who else would vote this jerk into office ?

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-12-22 12:03|| 2006-12-22 12:03|| Front Page Top

#13 Spec. I'll try and give you the best run down I can. Mike should be able to do even better as I'm a bit north of the shit pile.

Minneapolis is in Hennepin county. That county has a welfare rule not letting their workers ask the civil status of anyone crawling in asking for money. Hence the Somalians. There have been a number of Muslim terrorist cells and drug dealers found in the Somalians. Heaven knows I don't need to go into the Minneapolis airport taxi cab driver BS. So that is one side of it.

But keep in mind how insanely liberal Moscow on the Mississippi river is. They hate Bush. The liberals hate him so much that they were willing to vote Keith Allahson (good one Mike) in. 1 he's not white, 2 he's not a Christian, 3 he's a mooslum, 4 the local media refused to do any stories on him and his connections with muslime radical cop killers, 5 his republican opponent had almost zero TV spots.

Oh and on WCCO channel 4 Don Shelby did a piece on Allahson claiming that he found two Islamic terrorist websites that didn't like him so he, "must be OK". Shelby has been confronted over Allahson's connections with CAIR and has refused to do a story on CAIR's muzzy terrorist connections.

Lastly our pussy open board republican Nicky Coleman has endorse Allahson on his using the koran.

Quick run down and now I need to puke.

Posted by Icerigger 2006-12-22 12:25|| 2006-12-22 12:25|| Front Page Top

#14 Is this the map you're looking for, RD?

Posted by exJAG 2006-12-22 12:40|| 2006-12-22 12:40|| Front Page Top

#15 The history of religion map is even better.

Posted by exJAG 2006-12-22 12:43|| 2006-12-22 12:43|| Front Page Top

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#14 Is this the map you're looking for, RD? yep, thank youse, most helpful!

#15 e history of religion map is even better. Eggcellent, saved them both!

»:-)

Posted by RD 2006-12-22 12:56|| 2006-12-22 12:56|| Front Page Top

#17 "I think the diversity of our country is a great strength"
The leftist drooling idiot response to any alleged "phobia".
Only when assimilation into the native culture is actively sought after, can diversity been seen as adding anything. Otherwise, as Islam has so often demonstrated in the past it exists as an entirely separate entity in the host country until it turns into a malignancy.
There are 3 facts in this article:
1. Islam is a danger to the US.
2. Ellison is a smooth talking asshole.
3. Virgil Goode is capable of recognizing the first two.

Posted by JerseyMike 2006-12-22 14:35|| 2006-12-22 14:35|| Front Page Top

#18 This is another interesting map.

Bloody Borders

Posted by SR-71 2006-12-22 16:17|| 2006-12-22 16:17|| Front Page Top

#19 "I think the diversity of our country is a great strength"

Close but no cigar. Diversity is a source of our nation's strength, but it is through integration and assimilation that such diversity has served America so well. Those who refuse to be American and hold other creeds more dear are often as not of little worth to this country.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-22 16:35|| 2006-12-22 16:35|| Front Page Top

#20 PS: The Koran is entirely unacceptable as a swearing in document. It openly advocates the subversion and overthrow of America's government in favor of installing sharia law. This is sedition and treason, something that must not be countenanced within our legislative domain.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-22 16:42|| 2006-12-22 16:42|| Front Page Top

#21 We can learn all we need to know about Islam by studying Islamic countries and how they live, like women are not allowed to drive, or that all females are the property of a male, father, husband, brother or son. Then how no other religion is tolerated, and how a non-muslim cannot bring charges against a muslim without seven dozen muslim witnesses.
Then there's the clear missed opportunities to advance their cultures by adopting modern technology. These people have no soul and no common sense. They have only the teachings from the eighth century, and submission or death.
And further, we don't need a death cult among us 24/7. We have always had problems with those among us who can't live in peace without crime, why embrace a crime based cult ?

Posted by wxjames 2006-12-22 16:49|| 2006-12-22 16:49|| Front Page Top

#22 Nothing personal, but could a Mod zap the Circles it is! multi-postings to the sink trap? Obviously thread-bare.

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2006-12-22 16:52|| 2006-12-22 16:52|| Front Page Top

#23 I know who I'd like to hear comment about Keith Ellison: Harlan. I'd buy tickets to that.

Posted by Eric Jablow">Eric Jablow 2006-12-22 17:56|| 2006-12-22 17:56|| Front Page Top

#24 The Koran is entirely unacceptable as a swearing in document. It openly advocates the subversion and overthrow of America's government in favor of installing sharia law. This is sedition and treason, something that must not be countenanced within our legislative domain.

Zenster, this is a letter urging the state government to ban the Koran.
Suitably modified it might serve as a template for similar action in the US.
The main thing is that Islam should be attacked and attacked again, until it becomes the dominant paradigm that Islam is no more acceptable than slavery is, or human sacrifice, even though it was part of the Aztecs religion.

"Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am offended by violent passages in the Koran that I believe are in clear breach of Section 321G of the Victorian Crimes Act which states that where a person incites any other person to pursue a course of conduct which will involve the commission of an offencethe inciter is guiltyof incitement. Section 2A states that incite includes command, request, propose, advise, encourage or authorize They also violate Section 25 of the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 which says: A personmust not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, intentionally engage in conduct that the offender knows is likely to incite hatred...to threaten, or incite others to threaten physical harm towards that person or class of persons

There are numerous passages in the Koran that violate this section of the law. I am referring to the 2003 Penguin edition Koran currently available in Dymocks bookstores. P.133 says 'When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. fighting is obligatory for you p.32; Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. p.146; and slay or crucify opponents in war p.83.' As an idolater and infidel I find these passages threatening, offensive and consequently illegal.

I believe the publisher and distributor of these passages are in breach of the law and would like you to refer all publishers and distributors of such offensive, threatening and illegal literature to the Courts for Prosecution. No publisher or distributor in the current climate can reasonably argue that they could not reasonably foresee that someone is likely to take these words literally. Koranic passages like these were interpreted literally to incite mass murder in Bali, New York, London and Madrid.

Whilst the Australian Constitution includes Section 116 which states that The Commonwealth shall not make any law prohibiting the free exercise of religion... this freedom has clear limits that were established in the High Court in the 1943 Adelaide Company of Jehovahs Witnesses vs The Commonwealth case. The Court found that Freedom of religion is not absolute. It is subject to powers and restrictions of government essential to the preservation of the community. Freedom of religion may not be invoked to cloak and dissemble subversive opinions or practices and operations dangerous to the common weal. and that religion was subject to limitationssuch as are reasonably necessary for the protection of the community and in the interests of social order. Freedom of religion does not extend to the incitement of murder and violence.

As a non Muslim I find these passages offensive, threatening and constituting incitement. I expect you and your office to uphold the law and apply it equally to all in the community without fear or favour in accordance with your sworn duty. The next vote I cast will be primarily determined by your willingness to protect my most fundamental human right not to live in fear of assault or murder because of my beliefs.

Yours sincerely"

Posted by tipper 2006-12-22 17:59|| 2006-12-22 17:59|| Front Page Top

#25 Criticizing "moderate" muslims over on hotair will get you banned.

Judging from the Troll Tracks™ Circles the drain scattered about, being banned at "hotair.com" might not represent much of a hurdle. BTW, what the hell happened here? Haven't had the time to do a post-mortem.

Posted by Greremp Uleremp6059 2006-12-22 18:03|| 2006-12-22 18:03|| Front Page Top

#26 The dood who calls himself Mick Dundee went KaPOW.

Posted by wxjames 2006-12-22 18:24|| 2006-12-22 18:24|| Front Page Top

#27 grateful and thankee for the link SR-71!

Posted by RD 2006-12-22 18:26|| 2006-12-22 18:26|| Front Page Top

#28 I thought he/she/it was "circles it is". Heh. I guess the magic smoke escaped.

Posted by Greremp Uleremp6059 2006-12-22 18:28|| 2006-12-22 18:28|| Front Page Top

#29 Mick's prolly having a bad day. Maybe a girlfriend thingy. Too bad he can't suffer in silence.

Posted by wxjames 2006-12-22 18:38|| 2006-12-22 18:38|| Front Page Top

#30 Not if knows how to aim.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-12-22 23:10|| 2006-12-22 23:10|| Front Page Top

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