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2006-12-20 Home Front: Politix
U.S. lawmakers urge action after China meeting
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Posted by Pappy 2006-12-20 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Must be Year 2019 = CHINA the MEGA-POWER fever - see also NEWSMAX > CHARLES SMITH = ALL HAIL PRESIDENT HILLARY. Never mind Obama, Kerry or Gore, etc., or winning an elex, Hillary will be POTUS in 2008 becuz the MSM = Media have already made her so.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-12-20 00:08||   2006-12-20 00:08|| Front Page Top

#2 The U.S. trade deficit with China could reach a record $240 billion this year...

How much is that of Walmart? Bout my only hang up with the outfit.

On the other hand, if the Chinese were to act upon Taiwan, what would shutting $240B off the Chinese economy do? Could we say massive recession. I'm sure the Party is prepared for that.
Posted by Unavising Hupoper6717 2006-12-20 09:22||   2006-12-20 09:22|| Front Page Top

#3 Now Chucky, you've been looking for an issue to pursue. You've talked of this before. Get on it. Generate a bill that slaps a unilateral 30% tariff on all Chinese exports to US. That'll get the hornets flying and put your name right up front on the Ny Slimes.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-12-20 11:47||   2006-12-20 11:47|| Front Page Top

#4 China undervaluing its currency? You mean they're, like, not playing fair? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked! Why can't we slap a tariff on them? Makes too much sense? Wait a minute, I get it, Walmart wouldn't like that and then they wouldn't contribute to somebody's election campaign. People might complain 'cause they couldn't get all that cheap, plastic crap Made in China anymore. The commies wouldn't like it either and they wouldn't contribute either. Ooops. Did I say that? Can't have that. Never mind national security, just secure those profits and get yourself elected.

It's ironic that the world's biggest capitalist pigs exploit workers in the world's biggest commie concentration camp. But with the commie bosses raking in all that dough for the PLA you have to wonder, who is exploiting whom?
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2006-12-20 12:23||   2006-12-20 12:23|| Front Page Top

#5 How much is that of Walmart? Bout my only hang up with the outfit.

Unavising Hupoper6717, it's pretty clear you don't know jacksquat about Wal-Mart. On average Wal-Mart represents a solid 10% of our trade deficit with communist China. Beyond that, Wal-Mart has numerous extremely negative impacts upon the towns where they set up business. Forget for the nonce about how they hollow out a community's small business core.

Municipalities entice Wal-Mart stores to locate in their area by offering huge tax relief incentives. The suckered politicians do not realize that Wal-Mart employees are so severely underpaid that many of them make below poverty line incomes.

These "working poor" then fall back upon local government safety nets for food stamps, health care, lunch programs and other social services to make up the shortfall of working at Wal-Mart's scanty wages. Some estimates place the 2004 Federal tax burden consumed by Wal-Mart employees at a staggering 2.5 BILLION dollars.

Some information from the Wake-Up Wal-Mart web site:

A Substantial Number of Wal-Mart Associates earn far below the poverty line

· In 2001, sales associates, the most common job in Wal-Mart, earned on average $8.23 an hour for annual wages of $13,861. The 2001 poverty line for a family of three was $14,630. [“Is Wal-Mart Too Powerful?”, Business Week, 10/6/03, US Dept of Health and Human Services 2001 Poverty Guidelines, 2001]

· A 2003 wage analysis reported that cashiers, the second most common job, earn approximately $7.92 per hour and work 29 hours a week. This brings in annual wages of only $11,948. [“Statistical Analysis of Gender Patterns in Wal-Mart’s Workforce”, Dr. Richard Drogin 2003]

· One 200-employee Wal-Mart store may cost federal taxpayers $420,750 per year. This cost comes from the following, on average:

o $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.

o $42,000 a year for low-income housing assistance.

o $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families.

o $100,000 a year for the additional expenses for programs for students.

o $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children's health insurance programs (S-CHIP)

o $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

Why can't we slap a tariff on them? Makes too much sense? Wait a minute, I get it, Walmart wouldn't like that and then they wouldn't contribute to somebody's election campaign. People might complain 'cause they couldn't get all that cheap, plastic crap Made in China anymore. The commies wouldn't like it either and they wouldn't contribute either. Ooops. Did I say that? Can't have that. Never mind national security, just secure those profits and get yourself elected.

Spot on, Ebbang Uluque6305. Our politicians cannot bring themselves to demand that their campaign contributors pull away from Uncle Mao's All-You-Buy cheap labor trough. Even when it is compromising national security. We are all being sold down the proverbial Yangtze River.

Some facts about Wal-Mart and China:

Wal-Mart buys much of its merchandise from China

· Wal-Mart reports that it purchased $18 billion of goods from China in 2004.

· Wal-Mart was responsible for about 1/10th of the U.S. trade deficit with China in 2005. [“U.S. Stock Investors Wary of Analyst `Yuan Plays': Taking Stock, Bloomberg, 7/1/05]

· If Wal-Mart were an individual economy, it would rank as China’s eighth-biggest trading partner, ahead of Russia, Australia and Canada. [China Business Weekly, 12/02/2004]

Many of Wal-Mart's “American Suppliers” actually manufacture most or all of their products in China

· An example of an “American Supplier” is Hasbro, headquartered in Rhode Island. Today, Wal-Mart is the largest purchaser of Hasbro products—accounting for 21 percent of all Hasbro goods or more than $600 million in sales. But Hasbro reports, “We source production of substantially all of our toy products and certain of our game products through unrelated manufacturers in various Far East countries, principally China.” Hasbro specifies that “the substantial majority of our toy products are manufactured in China.” [2004 Hasbro 10-K filed with the SEC]

Wal-Mart's Chinese factory workers are treated poorly

· Workers making clothing for Wal-Mart in Shenzhen, China filed a class action lawsuit against Wal-Mart in September 2005 claiming that they were not paid the legal minimum wage, not permitted to take holidays off and were forced to work overtime. They said their employer had withheld the first three months of all workers' pay, almost making them indentured servants because the company refused to pay the money if they quit. [New York Times, September 14, 2005]

· Workers making toys for Wal-Mart in China’s Guangdong Province reported that they would have to meet a quota of painting 8,900 toy pieces in an eight hour shift [~3 seconds per piece] in order to earn the stated wage of $3.45 a day. If they failed to meet that quota, the factory would only pay them $1.23 for a day’s work. [China Labor Watch, December 21, 2005]

Elsewhere workers producing goods for Wal-Mart also face appalling conditions, despite Wal-Mart’s factory inspection program

· Workers from Bangladesh, China, Indonesia, Nicaragua and Swaziland brought a class action lawsuit against Wal-Mart in September 2005 asserting that the company’s codes of conduct were violated in dozens of ways. They said they were often paid less than the legal minimum wage and did not receive mandated time-and-a-half for overtime, and some said they were beaten by managers and were locked in their factories. [New York Times, September 14, 2005]

· A female apparel worker in Dhaka, Bangladesh, said she was locked into the factory and did not have a day off in her first six months. She said she was told if she refused to work the required overtime, she would be fired. Another worker said her supervisor attacked her “by slapping her face so hard that her nose began bleeding simply because she was unable to meet” her “high quota.” [New York Times, September 14, 2005]

· In 2004, only 8 percent of Wal-Mart inspectors’ visits to factories were unannounced, giving supervisors the chance to coach workers what to say and hide violations. Wal-Mart claimed it planned to double unannounced visits by its inspectors but that would still leave 80 percent of inspections announced. [CFO Magazine, August 2005]

· A former Wal-Mart executive James Lynn has sued the company claiming he was fired because he warned the company that an inspection manager was intimidating underlings into passing Central American suppliers. Lynn documented forced pregnancy tests, 24-hour work shifts, extreme heat, pat-down searches, locked exits, and other violations of the labor laws of these Central American countries. [New York Times, July 1, 2005 and James Lynn to Odair Violim, April 28, 2002, www.nclnet.org]

Wal-Mart is not America's friend.

If you want to shop at a good organization, patronize Costco. Wall Street has repeatedly threatened to downgrade Costco's rating because the company steadfastly refuses to reduce employee benefits in order to maximize earnings. This is the exact opposite of Wal-Mart's predatory policy.

Wal-Mart is essentially un-American in their exploitation of all loopholes that maximize corporate profit without creating actual careers. Communities are not built around jobs, they are based upon real careers that pay a livable salary. Poverty line wages do not fulfill those criteria.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-20 15:36||   2006-12-20 15:36|| Front Page Top

#6 So, China is sending us toys and we send them green pieces of paper. BFD. Just because it has the word "deficit" doesn't mean it's bad.

China is not a nice country and pulls a lot of dirty tricks. But, a trade "deficit" per se is not something to stay awake at night about.
Posted by Jackal">Jackal  2006-12-20 20:48|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2006-12-20 20:48|| Front Page Top

#7 It's what they do with those "green pieces of paper" that is cause for concern. As in; Building more nuclear weapons, upgrading their military, undertaking insanely destructive civil engineering projects, giving assistance to terrorist organizations or terrorist sponsoring countries in East Africa. The list goes on and we keep refilling their pen.

It also has to do with how they get so many of those "green pieces of paper" due to illicit manipulation of their currency. We are getting snookered in a huge mah-jong game that is rigged nine ways to Sunday. By comparison, I could stand fair trade, but trade with China is anything but fair. The question of even doing business with communists in the first place is another matter entirely.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-20 21:20||   2006-12-20 21:20|| Front Page Top

#8 I noticed Chinese agents running through downtown tonight putting guns to the heads of shoppers and abducting them into busses that drove them directly to Wal-Mart where Chinese minders accompanied them until they had bought everything on their list. The customers were then put through a demagnetizer and their memories of the abduction were erased. All their purchases were put in Costco bags and the trade deficit disappeared.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-12-20 21:32||   2006-12-20 21:32|| Front Page Top

#9 Then you probably heard those same rumors I did about how the average American consumer is a well-educated comparison shopper who is keenly aware of how the short life expectancy of low-cost goods rarely justifies any money saved.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-20 23:30||   2006-12-20 23:30|| Front Page Top

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