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2006-10-23 Europe

Hirsi Ali: 2 possible scenarios outline future of European Muslims

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Posted by Fred 2006-10-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Given the history of Europe, and the total moral depravity of it's ruling "elites", I wouldn't bet a nickel on the 'best-case scenario.'

Posted by PBMcL 2006-10-23 00:33|| 2006-10-23 00:33|| Front Page Top

#2 As myself + various other Netter had tried to argue over the years - the SECULARISTS, GOVERNMENTISTS, ATHEISTS + DIALECTICISTS, etc are and will have a field day under the label of the WOT. To the Left andor to the Right, Top to Down, and vices versa, their ideos appear or surreally seem to be "justified". The burden falls on honest people to make things right = protect what is right, whether honest people had anything to anything or not. PCorrectness has become so acute, sensitive, and over-relied upon Voter + Politicos, etal are afraid to make any decision or action without knowing the survey poll of the nano-moment, FEARS IN FAVOR OF NON-ACTION + NON-DECISION + PERVASIVE WAFFLE-ISM WHICH ONLY SERVES/HELPS OUR ENEMIES.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-10-23 00:56|| 2006-10-23 00:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Sorry, can't get past the looks (yum)

Posted by Captain America 2006-10-23 01:10|| 2006-10-23 01:10|| Front Page Top

#4 I respectably disagree. We should support Middle East and North African countries that repress jihadism. Many terrorists who escape to Europe, do so to secure financing for homeland terror. We don't need scum like that, and I could care less what governments do to them, as long as the governments don't adopt a anti West agenda. As I write, the UK is polluted with wannabe provisional government forces who have benefitted from UK harborage.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-10-23 02:27|| 2006-10-23 02:27|| Front Page Top

#5 Easy enough to run away, then be critical I guess.
Wonder why she didn't try to reform Somalia?

Posted by Skidmark 2006-10-23 06:04|| 2006-10-23 06:04|| Front Page Top

#6 Skidmark,
She had to living in protective custody on a Dutch military base for the last two years because of the death threats she received for criticizing the religion of peace. We need people like her that come from within the Islamic community and are willing to publicly reject the medieval view point of the religion of peace.

Posted by Dan Canaveral 2006-10-23 06:24|| 2006-10-23 06:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Skidmark, Ms. Ali was a girl married to a cousin against her will in Somalia. She fled to the West, eventually ending up in Holland -- I'm under the impression that she was about 21 when she arrived. Besides -- Somalia??? How is a girl/young woman to significantly change anything there when her husband and father were satisfied with the status quo? As for the Netherlands, after she was elected to the national legislature, Minister of Immigration(?) Verdonk (the interesting woman who is now against allowing veils for women) announced that Ms.Ali was in the country illegally, forcing her to resign and leave. This after Ms. Ali's neighbors insisted she be evicted from her apartment because her presence put them at risk of attack. The Dutch hid my mother and her family from the Nazis in WWII, but they've degenerated a bit since then, it seems.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-23 07:58|| 2006-10-23 07:58|| Front Page Top

#8 To add to Trailing Wife's point: Hirsi Ali has a difficult time as a member of parliament trying to convince the Dutch to listen to her and does what she can under threat of death. What possible chance she would have had in Somalia is beyond me.

Posted by Flea 2006-10-23 08:42|| 2006-10-23 08:42|| Front Page Top

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Posted by NoBeards 2006-10-23 10:11|| 2006-10-23 10:11|| Front Page Top

#10 I see the worst case, and most likely is the complete breakdown of western europe, much like Bosnia. Decades long bloody civil wars and ethnic cleansing.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2006-10-23 11:53|| 2006-10-23 11:53|| Front Page Top

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Posted by NoBeards 2006-10-23 10:11|| 2006-10-23 10:11|| Front Page Top

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