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2006-08-24 Home Front: Culture Wars

Carterist Says: Make Our Loyal Muslims "Feel Safe."

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Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-24 01:30|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Muzzies will tell you islam's not a religion, religion being an infidel concept, but a deen, whatever the f#$k that is.Never heard that freedom of DEEN is protected in the Constitution.

Posted by Hupailing Ebbuns2352 2006-08-24 08:31|| 2006-08-24 08:31|| Front Page Top

#2 Well Charlie Haynes, instead of asking Americans to bend over backwards for muslims once again, why not ask muslims to become Americans first. Better yet, why not yet off your politically correct, see no evil ass and commission a poll of US resident muslims and get their perspective of America. For comparision here is a corresponding UK poll: Many British Muslims Put Islam First
39 percent of (American) respondents believe that American Muslims arent loyal to the United States
UK: When asked, "Is Britain my country or their country?" only one in four say it is. Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law.

A third believes American Muslims are sympathetic to al-Qaida and 22 percent dont want Muslims as neighbors.
UK: Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

Also concerning freedom of speech, as the NOP Research survey reports, "hardcore Islamists" constitute nine percent of the British Muslim population. A slightly more moderate group is composed of "staunch defenders of Islam." This second group comprises 29 percent of the British Muslim population. Individuals in this group aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined. The scary reality is that only three percent of British Muslims "took a consistently pro-freedom of speech line on these questions."

More Americans than I imagined, it appears, are so frustrated, fearful and angry about the terrorist threat that theyre no longer willing to sort out what is and isnt authentic Islam.
UK: Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. This comports with last year's Daily Telegraph newspaper survey that found one-third of British Muslims believe that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it.

The news is no less alarming on the question of freedom of speech. Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.
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The challenge is to convince our public schools that learning more about Islam and other religions is not only an important part of a good education its also necessary if we hope to live together as citizens of one nation.
The more I learn of Islam and muslim thought, the more I am convinced islam can not coexist with any other political or religious system. The only solutions are complete separation or total war. To do nothing is to be picked off at the time and place chosen by muslims.

Posted by ed 2006-08-24 09:20|| 2006-08-24 09:20|| Front Page Top

#3 Every one of this guy's arguments are irrelevant. I demonize Islam because it's a religion of demons. Is a doctor mean, cruel or bigoted when he correctly diagnoses a cancer?

Islam is utterly incompatible with the concepts of freedom, liberty, tolerance and personal choice. As such, it should be rejected outright by the west. We're just pussy-footing around.

Try a little test: Ask an American muslim if his loyalty is to the US, or to Islam. Since the two are incompatible, he will have to pick one. Guess which one?

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-08-24 09:56|| 2006-08-24 09:56|| Front Page Top

#4 You may have "assumed wrong". You f**king shithead. Yet one more F**king Fool from the Jimmah legacy.

Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-08-24 11:49|| 2006-08-24 11:49|| Front Page Top

More Americans than I imagined, it appears, are so frustrated, fearful and angry about the terrorist threat that theyre no longer willing to sort out what is and isnt authentic Islam.

No, I consider Islam a threat because I've sorted out what is and isn't authentic Islam.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-08-24 12:24|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-08-24 12:24|| Front Page Top

#6 "I demonize Islam because it's a religion of demons" -- solid gold quote.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-08-24 12:39|| 2006-08-24 12:39|| Front Page Top

#7 If it only takes one policy for most lefties to justify burning the flag in protest and villifying the US why should it take more evidence for the American people to justify burning the Koran in protest and villifying the Islamic people?

Just asking.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-24 12:39|| 2006-08-24 12:39|| Front Page Top

#8 Maybe if there was some other group planning to blow up planes and tunnels besides Muslims, we would stop equating them with terrorists. Just a thought.

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-08-24 12:47|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2006-08-24 12:47|| Front Page Top

#9 "And conversely, here's what our moderate Muslim citizens could do: become acquainted with the Jewish and Christian neighbors and co-workers. Visit a synagogue and Church (no, don't take notes). Learn firsthand what it means to be an American, and why it's important to hit behind the runner with less than two outs. The more they know about all of us, the safer all ofus will feel."

Absolutely. Instead, we get the smary Saudi prince Bin Waleed plunking down $40 million for "slamic-Christian Understanding"programs at Harvard and Georgetown U. The premise: Christians are too stupid and intolerant toward Islam, but of course, the Wahhabi Muzzies are oh soooooo open and tolerant.

We should have told the smary one: We'll let you finance a Wahhabi-front in the USA the moment you permit Churches and Temples in Soddy. If not, bugger off!

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-08-24 13:07|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp] 2006-08-24 13:07|| Front Page Top

#10 The *smarmy* Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, he of the infamous smirk caught on film while visiting the pit at ground-zero.

On this Prine, see here

"In 2001, he offered New York City a donation of $10 million towards relief efforts after the September 11, 2001 attacks. This was rejected by Mayor Rudy Giuliani because he construed the prince's subsequent issuance of a statement that the United States "must address some of the issues that led to such a criminal attack" as a justification of the terrorist incidents."

"In December 2002, Al-Waleed donated $27 million to a Saudi Government telethon raising money for Palestinians."

"In December 2005, Prince Al-Waleed donated $20 million each to both Harvard University and Georgetown University. The donations will ~~finance~~ promote Wahhabi-Islamic studies at both universities. The $20 million to Georgetown is its second largest donation in history and among the 25 largest for Harvard."

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-08-24 13:16|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp] 2006-08-24 13:16|| Front Page Top

#11 A muslim's only loyalty is to his ~~cult~~"religion". Even when starting off as a young fun-loving easy going one he'll soon be pressured by his peers to conform to the rules of the ummah as their numbers increase ~~like lemmings~~.

Catherist bastids living in ivory towers cluelessly make your world into a very dangerous place.

Posted by Duh! 2006-08-24 16:12|| 2006-08-24 16:12|| Front Page Top

#12

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-24 17:51|| 2006-08-24 17:51|| Front Page Top

#13 Sorry, AOL won't do script links. Arrogant pricks.

Wahabism in Theory:
http://tibyaan.atspace.com/tibyaan/category5c8d.html?id=149

Wahabism in Practise:
http://press-release.blogspot.com/

By "apostates" the MSC means: Shiites. As for "Crusaders": you know that one. By the way, Juan Cole gets much of his propaganda from the last link.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-24 17:57|| 2006-08-24 17:57|| Front Page Top

#14 Muzzies will tell you islam's not a religion, religion being an infidel concept, but a deen, whatever the f#$k that is.Never heard that freedom of DEEN is protected in the Constitution.

Maybe they're referring to Howard Deen. [/snarkasm]

This whole article merely convinces me that I have been right to alienate so many of the liberal people I know by consistently demonizing Islam and the left's inability to discern what global sharia portends.

At a recent dinner party one person made an oblique reference to the "idiotic government of a North American nation". I suggested Canada's leadership who were considering allowing sharia family law in court rulings. In a frustrated tone, the person then said that they were referring to a country that was a bit further south. I mentioned Vincente Fox's hyper-corrupt government of Mexico and they really got spun up.

In light of constant evidence presented here at Rantburg, I am obliged to conclude that the liberal left's vision of human utopia relies so heavily upon nanny state politics that it may as well be some form of ~~communism~~ socialism. A real corker was the "Progressive Personality Disorder" posted yesterday.

Posted by Zenster 2006-08-24 20:43|| 2006-08-24 20:43|| Front Page Top

#15 Islam is not the enemy

Well a koran book never killed anybody---people who read it, on the other hand.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-24 20:47|| 2006-08-24 20:47|| Front Page Top

#16 I don't think the Islamists should feel safe. This whole issue is like so many others in our PC, identity driven society today. PC is not really about tolerance. It is about forcing a uniformity in thought. What is Islam but "Submission" to a particular pattern of thought? One commonality between the modern left and Islam is that they both believe that people should be forced to do things in conformity to their idea of right.

If the West finds ever finds its courage, this war will become a death struggle between Islam and the West. If it comes to that, the Left will likely be collateral damage, because the West, aka the Enlightenment, or free inquiry, or Freedom, will no longer tolerate the intolerant. Islam will reform or die. I would prefer that Islam reform, but I will settle for die if necessary.

Posted by SR-71 2006-08-24 21:14|| 2006-08-24 21:14|| Front Page Top

#17 I hope the food was good, Zenster, because the poor idiot clearly didn't have a chance to enjoy the conversation as he'd planned. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-24 21:38|| 2006-08-24 21:38|| Front Page Top

#18 The whole thing that gets me with the LLL's fascination of the muzzies, SR71, is that they'll be the FIRST to be fed to the sharks when/if muzzies take over. Those homo-lovin/tree-huggin/spittle spewers will be beheaded quickly, because they (the LLL) don't believe in any form of defense.

As to the mods' comment about visiting a moskkk, I've got a personal story on that one. Used to ride to work with 2 Muslims. Both from Bangladesh (originally). The older one (mid-late 40s w/ 2 high school kids) was VERY Americanized, and yet, had probably lived in B'desh longer than the younger. The younger used to go into immediate full fledged hissy coniption fits when I'd even bring up the "Israeli situation." Even though he'd NEVER set foot in the Middle East (much less Israel proper), he was full fledged supporter of suicide bombings, etc. Now, he was born in B'desh, but raised in NYC, and subsequently moved here to ATL. He also used to "joke" about how I should treat my wife. I now look back and think, man, he wasn't kidding about that.

Long story short, their moskkk is literally 1 mile from our subdivision (the younger one lives just a few doors up from me). After 9/11 (I believe at the 1 year anniversary), our Church was having "open doors" all day long for prayer/rememberance and then a non-religious ceremony that evening. I call him (the younger one) up and say, "Hey, my church is having a memorial service for 9/11, no preaching, just time for some quiet to remember those 3,000 souls who perished. Would you like to go w/ me?" "Nah," he replied.

A few weeks later, I had really began to get into the Islamic teachings of jihad and even the true history of big Mo. So, I asked him, "Hey, man, could I go with you to the mosque sometime. I'd just like to see what Islam's all about and try and understand your religion." He told me he "wouldn't feel comfortable" bringing me to the mosque. Reading between the lines, it was because (I honestly believe) i was white and didn't "look" Muslim. So, this thought of just visiting the local moskkk is a lot of hooey. Yeah, a select few mosques may hold "open" days, but I imagine a LOT of the stuff going on there is hidden/cleaned from view during those select days. Everything else is very secretive to me.

Posted by BA 2006-08-24 23:00|| 2006-08-24 23:00|| Front Page Top

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