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2006-02-04 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Natan Sharansky : The price of ignoring Palestinians' needs

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-02-04 11:26|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Oh, crapola. Everybody who was involved in the peace process tried damn hard to get the Paleos living a good life, to make themselves a place fit to live, and to end the conflict.

It was the Paleo leaders who bent over backwards to keep their own people poor, stupid, and living in squalor and hate; while the leaders stole everything of value.

Now they live in de facto chaos, with the Hamas-led chaos of the Gaza Strip still mis-managed by Hamas, and the Fatah-led chaos of the West Bank still dominated, if not led, by Fatah.

Instead of calling them Hamas and Fatah, they could equally be called the Crips and the Bloods, for all the good they do. AND IT IS NOBODY'S FAULT EXCEPT THE PALEOS THEMSELVES.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-02-04 13:05|| 2006-02-04 13:05|| Front Page Top

#2 The Paleao are not supposed to live and create a state. They are supposed to all die eliminating Israel. And the Arab world would prefer that they just get along with it now and stop farting around with stuff like rights and democracy - it doesn't apply. Would the fodder get moving please.

Posted by Hupomoger Clans9827 2006-02-04 13:12|| 2006-02-04 13:12|| Front Page Top

#3 What the Palestinians need is a good, hard, final military defeat. Something that lets them know they've lost, let's their supporters know they lost, and makes it clear they'll never win.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-02-04 14:17|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-02-04 14:17|| Front Page Top

#4 Agreed Robert. Unfortunately, that will ultimately require a lot of dead people.

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2006-02-04 14:59|| 2006-02-04 14:59|| Front Page Top

#5 The problem with that theory is defeat what?

The Paleos are the closest thing to living in anarchy and choas. They have no real government, other institutions, enforcement, even major warlords. They *are* defeat, there is nothing left to defeat.

My suggestion is that the Gaza Strip be completely turned over to the military administration of Egypt, and the West Bank, to Jordan. Both countries under the mandate to disarm and order their Paleos, so that there is finally some there, there.

Other than a few gunslingers on either side, there is nothing to stop the Egyptian and Jordanian armies from fully occupying the Paleo lands--other than the utter horror both Egypt and Jordan would have at getting *more* Paleos.

But until the Paleos are forced to have something, they are nothing more than a solvent dissolving away any efforts to give them something.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-02-04 15:41|| 2006-02-04 15:41|| Front Page Top

#6 'Moose, that's probably the most successful outcome possible and I'd love to think it was possible. Instead, I think the most likely outcome is a forced Paleo evacuation of Gaza and the WB after some other Muzzy country makes a WMD attack on Israel. This won't end happily for the Paleos under almost any circumstances.

Posted by mac 2006-02-04 16:25|| 2006-02-04 16:25|| Front Page Top

#7 The problem is not Paleos (or French Muslims, or Tai Muslems). The problem is people who believe that they've divine sunction to rob, rape, and murder.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-02-04 18:06|| 2006-02-04 18:06|| Front Page Top

#8 First, Hamas must explicitly abandon the goal of destroying Israel and renounce terrorism.

And the chances of this happening are.....?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-02-04 18:12|| 2006-02-04 18:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Anonymoose, Egypt and Jordan didn't impose effective control over their portions of the Palestinian Territories before the conquests of 1967. What makes you thing they would do so now? Recall, as soon as Egypt got control of the border crossing from Israel, they opened the gates to weapons passage, relieved that the under-border tunnels from their military cantonments wouldn't need to be used henceforward.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-04 22:33|| 2006-02-04 22:33|| Front Page Top

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