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2006-01-30 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Iran's Top Secret 5-Point Battle Plan For War Against the West - Besoeker Post

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Posted by Creck Ulagum6581 2006-01-30 09:14|| || Front Page|| [12 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Oil prices of 100$ a bbl would make gas about 4$ a gal. which would suck, but we would live. China on the other hand could not afford 4$ gas, 3$ gas damn near wrecked them. Oil trades on the world market, you cant really control who your oil gets sold to unless you want to take it off the exchange. So for this doomsday scenario, I think it would hurt russia and china even worse than us.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2006-01-30 09:49|| 2006-01-30 09:49|| Front Page Top

#2 ..the possible use of chemical and biological weapons on the Iraqi battlefield,..

That would be an unwise thing to do. Very, VERY unwise.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-01-30 10:19|| 2006-01-30 10:19|| Front Page Top

#3 Basically, the scorched-earth "disrupt the oil and attack Israel" policies of Saddam mixed with the "abandon all hope ye who enter" bluster of the Taliban. Remember the horror stories about Afghanistan being the graveyard of armies?

Posted by BH 2006-01-30 10:47|| 2006-01-30 10:47|| Front Page Top

#4 On first inspection, this looks like something cranked out by a first year ROTC cadet. There is no grand strategy, no timetable, no concept of operations, no concern for enemy actions. What is interpreted as asymmetric conflict is, in fact, incompetant planning.

This plan is the work of civilians who have no concept of military realities. I truly hope that this is their basic battle plan. I suspect that indeed, this may be the case.

Before, I have noted that throughout the Middle East, though armies are organized as Corps, Divisions, and Brigades; those words are just words, they have no greater meaning. They do not know *how* to conduct Corps, Division, or even Brigade-level operations. Their hightest functional organization is the Batallion.

This means that a fully-functional Brigade of equal firepower can defeat perhaps two or three of these unorganized Brigades, solely because they have the "magic" of Brigade operations at their disposal. An organized Division can beat a Corps.

Right now, this fact is critically important, because while the US just has three Divisions in Iraq who could be available if Iran attacked that country; we have quietly been training the 9 Iraqi light Divisions in Brigade and Division operations. Already, this means that these Divisions could integrate with the US Divisons to produce the equivalent to five or six fully functional US-quality combat Divisions.

Such a force could overwhelm an Iranian army twice or even three times its current size. Optimized and trained for counter-insurgency operations at that!

This being said, the only weapon of note left to the Iranians, on which is their primary focus, is their ballistic missiles. For this reason, I strongly hope that we have enormous and effective anti-missile resources in theater.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-01-30 11:00|| 2006-01-30 11:00|| Front Page Top

#5 ...*low whistle*Holy sweet Jesus. I don't know what scares me more - the fact that it might very well BE their plan, or the fact that they genuinely think it will work.
Anonymoose is correct, but I think he's a bit off in his skill level - a JROTC cadet could have come up with this one. Don't forget that military leadership in Iran is based on political reliability, NOT military competence. Even were it so, the last war these idiots fought was a medium-tech replay of WWI. In reading their Fiendish Plan(TM), I see at least two points where they would just be begging us to cross The Threshhold. They truly have no idea what they are screwing with.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-01-30 12:02|| 2006-01-30 12:02|| Front Page Top

#6 It is especially interesting to note that it has the approval of President Ahmadinejad, who is believed to be quite delusional and perhaps clinically insane, according to certain psychological profiles I have read. A fanatical lunatic with nuclear arms who truly believes in the apocalypse and the near-term rising of a 10th Century Muslim messiah from the bottom of an Iranian well definitely bodes ill for a great many people."

Well, we can ALL agree on that much.

Gentleman, I should like to remind you all of one of great military author Jeff Coopers axioms of combat:

A poor plan executed quickly will often defeat a brilliant plan executed slowly.

Are we moving quickly right now?

Posted by Secret Master 2006-01-30 12:47|| 2006-01-30 12:47|| Front Page Top

#7 We are firm believers in the Napoleonic axiom:

"Give no advantage to your enemy."

But this means endless amounts of hard work and preparation. Constant self-criticism and a willingness to assume that every bit of luck your enemy hopes for is granted; and every bit that you foolishly allowed into your plan is denied.

Their god of war is Allah, who dictates that might makes right only after the fact. He is a fickle military planner, much like the Roman god Mars: prone to cheap shots and running away at the first sign of defeat. His plan it to "scream and charge," with the promise that "He shall guide your sword."

Our god of war is Helmuth von Moltke: "In the long run, luck is awarded to the efficient."

We have been planning this war since the Shah fell.

The plan is under continual change, improvement, adaptation, and re-evaluation. Intelligence gathered, diplomatic arrangements and protocols long agreed to, bargains within bargains with friend and foe. Spies and special agents in place, secret weapons prepared.

The conclusion to war, if Moltke smiles on us, is a failure of their weapons, a rapid collapse of their resistance, and the disbelief in it all by both their military planners and our own fifth columnists.

Ironically, we look to another German general, Alfred von Schlieffen, the successor to von Moltke, for our reward if we are successful.

Having given a terribly difficult war-planning exercise to the students at the Command and General Staff school, the best student, Erich Ludendorff, worked tirelessly so that he could finish his task in time for Christmas Eve dinner with his family.

von Schlieffen was very impressed with his extraordinary accomplishment and the quality of his plan, so he rewarded him with an even harsher assignment, and with even less time to do it in.

And this will be the reward our military achieves in its success: that the next war for which it will have to prepare will be far greater, and the effort needed to plan for it much harder work.

Such is the crown of greatness.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-01-30 13:16|| 2006-01-30 13:16|| Front Page Top

#8 Iran has, I believe, 14 active Divisions and the IIRG that is less than 12 Divisions in strength. The Iranian Division is about as largs a our Brigade(+). Their current readiness is estimated at less than 60% for their equipment, almost 20% for their aviation. They have less than 60 operational Cobra helicopters and the fixed wing fleet is a mess. What I'm getting at here is they have no real mass to form up and fight against our Armor and Aviation. Combined with the large land mass of Iran they will be forced into asymmetrical war just because of our mass and capabiliy for speed. After the air campaign any convention fight would be clean-up. Even a crazy man will see there is only a few options left to him. The use of a WMD to stop us, or let us roll over their nation and go into an insurgency operation would be about the only thing on his decision tree left.

With all that said he may be crazy but I don't think he will attack. He is happy using Hamas and Hezbollah to fight his wars. It has taken him 25 years to get to this point. He will continue to sabre rattle in an attempt to get the East tired of the US and wear down the coalition. I think he will end up more like Kadaffi, remember him sailing off to do battle with the great Satan, then quietly funding terrorists in Sudan?

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-01-30 14:37|| 2006-01-30 14:37|| Front Page Top

#9 Frankly, 14 divisions will be 14 soft targets in the coming conflict. The Ashoura blood letting starts on Feb. 9. When they burn out; we flame on.

Posted by Shans Grinetle6721 2006-01-30 18:16|| 2006-01-30 18:16|| Front Page Top

#10 Article forgot to mention Mucky & the Tater Tots who will jump on the bandwagon as soon as their Iranian masters tell them to. Mucky has already promised to kill another few thousand of his followers if Iran is hit.

Since British troops are in Basra, they'll take the initial gust of the Iranian army at the border and the Tater Tots in the rear. Could be why the Brit government, in the person of Jack Straw, is saying "oh, no, we don't want military action against Iran."

Posted by Thrimp Hupolump7889 2006-01-30 18:47|| 2006-01-30 18:47|| Front Page Top

#11 The Brits, Germans, and even the Frenchies have gotta know and believe that once America = Amerika goes down, Western Europe and Westernism = South Vietnam in 1975. The aftermath of Amer Holocaust is Euro- andor Western Holocaust. Iran = NOrth Korea = Rsssia-China, etal. > GREATEST ACE IN THE HOLE ARE ANTI-AMERICAN AMERICAN POLS AND ACTIVISTS.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-01-30 21:35|| 2006-01-30 21:35|| Front Page Top

#12 The MSM and Lefties > PLUTONIUM, NOT URANIUM, is the be-all, end-all proof/evidencia that Iran has WMDS. NO PLUTONIUM = NO WMDS IN IRAN > ERROR-PRONE = WILFUL WARMONGER IMPERIALIST MALE BRUTE FASCIST AMERICA MISTAKENLY GOES TO WAR AGAIN.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-01-30 21:41|| 2006-01-30 21:41|| Front Page Top

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