Article

2005-12-17 Home Front: Politix

House Bill to Tighten Immigration Laws OK'd

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Pappy 2005-12-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The more draconian the solution the better. These people are breaking the law to be here. I don't want them here. Send them home.

Now!

Posted by Leigh 2005-12-17 00:47|| 2005-12-17 00:47|| Front Page Top

#2 One measure that Republican leaders wouldn't allow a vote on was a volatile proposal to deny citizenship to babies born in this country to illegal immigrants.

fu*king limp dicks.

Posted by Red Dog 2005-12-17 02:46|| 2005-12-17 02:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Actually, Red Dog, this is the example of the half-loaf : get what you can the first time around, and then try again when people see the world has not come to an end by the first item. Too many people on both side of the political fence want illegals for a variety of reasons, none of which help the average citizen out.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2005-12-17 03:24|| 2005-12-17 03:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Nobody is advocating the deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants, said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., sponsor of a guest worker measure.

I am. Just because there's a whole bunch of them to have to deal with is no excuse to not do anything. The longer one waits, the worse it gets.

The most sweeping provision of the House bill would require all employers in the country, more than 7 million, to submit Social Security numbers and other information to a national data base to verify the legal status of workers. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups protested this provision as unworkable,..

No, it's not "unworkable". It's more like, "We don't wanna do this - our workforce will be decimated".

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-17 03:39|| 2005-12-17 03:39|| Front Page Top

#5 The House acted Friday to stem the tide of illegal immigration by taking steps to tighten border controls and stop unlawful immigrants from getting jobs. But lawmakers left for next year the tougher issue of what to do with the 11 million undocumented people already in the country.

what is the point of my reading this article any further? It is already obvious that the bill has no teeth, or the "remaining 11 million " would not be able to show up to work.

Posted by 2b 2005-12-17 07:06|| 2005-12-17 07:06|| Front Page Top

#6 "The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups protested this provision as unworkable, while immigrant rights groups said some of the new penalties were draconian."

Q. Why has it taken so long to craft legislation that has such wide "bi-partsian" support?
A. The majority of the US population doesn't agree.

Posted by DepotGuy 2005-12-17 10:22|| 2005-12-17 10:22|| Front Page Top

#7 ahhhh the outcry! I love the squeal of little piggies and the smell of bacon!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-12-17 11:23|| 2005-12-17 11:23|| Front Page Top

#8 C'mon guys. Almost all of us are descended from immigrants.

I have no problem with Mexicans who want to be Americans. And I have to say that I were a struggling campesino with a campesino wife and six starving campesion kids trying to get by on $5 a day, going north to make $5 an hour would start looking pretty good.

And if I had any gumption at all, I'd take the chance.

That's the issue. The illegals in this country have more gumption and courage than most folks, because they were willing to hoof a thousand miles (or more) to come here and do the kind of work that relatively few Americans want to do (I haven't seen a pretty-boy white kid doing lawn maintenance for a long time).

Disclosure: I worked one summer to pick fruit and veggies. I did it because there was a recession and I couldn't find work doing anything else. I can't think of how much you'd have to pay me today to pick veggies. Yet the illegals will do it for $5 an hour. Makes you wonder how much more drive and gumption they have.

And that drive is what built our country. These folks are going to help build our country (in the case of New Orleans, literally) for the next couple of generations. The Scots-Irish, the Germans, the lower Irish, the Poles, Eye-talians, Serbs, Slavs, Bohunks, Chinese and Japanese of yesteryear did their jobs, and now it's time for Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nigerians and Vietnamese to do the same.

They will.

And we'll be better for it.

As far as I'm concerned, build a decent fence -- not to stop the illegals, but to put the coyotes who prey on them out of business. Figure out how many low-paying, dirty, lousy jobs we have in this country that no one wants to do, and open the gates in the fence each year to let that number of folks in. The work will get done, and these people will become Americans. They and their kids and their grandkids will be the salt of this country in the coming century.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2005-12-17 11:40|| 2005-12-17 11:40|| Front Page Top

#9 C'mon guys. Almost all of us are descended from immigrants.

I have no problem with Mexicans who want to be Americans. And I have to say that I were a struggling campesino with a campesino wife and six starving campesion kids trying to get by on $5 a day, going north to make $5 an hour would start looking pretty good.

We were once a nation of slavery too, but we painfully grew out of it. Either tell the environmentalist/lefties to shut up about the population and its consumption or be ignored when they support violations of the sovereign borders. Now if we violate someone's borders, they're the first to cry how evil America is. The again they're mainly transnationalist and don't believe in sovereign countries.

As far as the campesinos are concerned that is the creation of their own governments policies. I don't buy the guilt. Maybe if they didn't have a place to dump their excess unemployed they'd have the long over due revolution to line the SOBs pols up against the wall who've looted their countries resouces and treasure to enrich themselves and their parties.

As far as pay goes, if the labor market is infinite there is no reason to raise pay other than the artificial mininal wage. If labor is finite, then either wages rise to get the workers, or the service or product is not produced because it isn't that vital to the overall economy. So you make up the paper savings by indirectly taxing the law abiding citizens in providing education/daycare, medical, social services, and law enforcement infrastructure [jails, courts, prisons] to support all the additional bodies the consume the 'entitlements' of citizenship. Meanwhile the natives are screwed out of the quality of their birthright.

Posted by Whavick Hupegum4094 2005-12-17 11:59|| 2005-12-17 11:59|| Front Page Top

#10 C'mon guys. Almost all of us are descended from immigrants.

That's not really the point. The question is, do our laws count for something or not? If they do, then people should be expected to obey them. Just because there's some sort of need for what someone or some group offers does not mean that a law should be ignored or disregarded. In the case of immigration, there are other more important thinkgs at stake than just a cheap labor supply.

The Scots-Irish, the Germans, the lower Irish, the Poles, Eye-talians, Serbs, Slavs, Bohunks, Chinese and Japanese of yesteryear did their jobs, and now it's time for Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nigerians and Vietnamese to do the same.

I wouldn't count on it. The PC crowd and the race agitators are all hard at work trying to drum into our heads the notion that we are members of various and different tribes, all of which need to be identified whenever and wherever possible (see the hyphenated American phenomenon), with the exception of whites.

Oh, and let me add: Yours truly is not white, nor even part white. But being an American is my birthright, and I carry it with pride.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-17 13:53|| 2005-12-17 13:53|| Front Page Top

#11 I have no problem with Mexicans who want to be Americans.

Neither do I, but I do have a problem with the ones who don't want to be Americans or who want to create Atzlan.

Posted by Uluter Omoluger8137 2005-12-17 14:28|| 2005-12-17 14:28|| Front Page Top

#12 C'mon guys. Almost all of us are descended from immigrants

Not me, my four bears were Colonists.

Posted by Anglo SPemble1217 2005-12-17 17:02|| 2005-12-17 17:02|| Front Page Top

#13 It's the difference between beaching in an LST and debarking from the Queen Elizabeth II.

Posted by Anglo-American SPemble1217 2005-12-17 17:05|| 2005-12-17 17:05|| Front Page Top

#14 I ain't no Stinkin illegal

Posted by Leif-SPemble1217 2005-12-17 17:37|| 2005-12-17 17:37|| Front Page Top

#15 "Nobody is advocating the deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants, said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz.,"
why the hell not, I'm with you BAR.
"Bush has proposed that undocumented immigrants be allowed to get three-year work visas."
I still see these workers as scabs in many areas.
"One measure that Republican leaders wouldn't allow a vote on was a volatile proposal to deny citizenship to babies born in this country to illegal immigrants."
These anchor babies are a big issue. Maybe next time.

As a teenager growing up during the summers I worked picking beans for 1 1/2 cents per pound, for money for clothes the next year. Yes it was hard work, but I learned to value hard work and it gets the right focus into perspective. Now a days kids don't want to get their hands dirty. What kind of precidence are we setting here. A second class citizen to do our dirty work? Take it a generation down the line here, they'll want someone to do their dirty work.
They should go through the proper channels, and come into our country legally if they come in at all. Remember that immigrants and illegals are two different groups of people here. Illegals are hurting us tremendously, also themselves. I would prefer that immigrants are here because they want to live as we do, not because of money. To be Americans first...

Posted by Jan 2005-12-17 22:39|| 2005-12-17 22:39|| Front Page Top

00:00 JAB
23:42 PBMcL
23:42 macofromoc
23:36 macofromoc
23:09 Red Dog
23:07 Chuck
23:01 Cindy
22:52 gromgoru
22:51 Red Dog
22:49 Frank G
22:48 gromgoru
22:47 Frank G
22:45 Omoluting Chuque6056
22:43 Frank G
22:43 gromgoru
22:43 Barbara Skolaut
22:40 gromgoru
22:39 Jan
22:37 Red Dog
22:19 jules 2
22:16 .com
22:13 Cindy Sheehan
22:11 mhw
22:01 Captain America