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2005-11-10 Europe

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Posted by Saint Michel 2005-11-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Has Pat ever got any prediction right?
I never take him seriously as I can not remember any thing he has claimed that came out the way he claimed. In other words his functional score is a bit low.

Posted by 3dc 2005-11-10 01:41|| 2005-11-10 01:41|| Front Page Top

#2 One wishes careers as moron political pundits were ended half as easily.

Posted by .com 2005-11-10 03:46|| 2005-11-10 03:46|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm coming to the conclusion that the riots in La Belle France are as much a matter of PC milquetoast policies reaching their illogical conclusions as a matter of Islamism.

Author! Author! Orwellian Siamese twins these two diseased concepts might be.

Posted by Zenster 2005-11-10 04:34|| 2005-11-10 04:34|| Front Page Top

#4 great comments Fred.
I'm coming to the conclusion that the riots in La Belle France are as much a matter of PC milquetoast policies reaching their illogical conclusions as a matter of Islamism.

I've actually been thinking about this today. It must cause a little bit of unease in the group that we refer to as "elites", when they look around and realize that their beloved uprising by the masses actually has a chance of coming to pass. Yet... how strange it must be for them to look in the mirror and realize that they, themselves, are the very ones that the masses are revolting against. For so long, "the elites", full of self-righteous piety, have encouraged and empowered "the masses" to act. And now they wake up to discover the masses are rattling at the gates of their gated communities. And whoa and behold, "the elites" are not their champions, but their intended target.

So now these "elites" are forced into a catch 22 if they want to practice all they preached. They are forced to be tolerant of the intolerant, who wish to destroy all that the "elites" claimed they stood for - women's rights, sexual freedom, religious tolerance, dialogue instead of war, etc. etc. And to fight those who threaten to burn down everything they claim to stand for - the "elites" have to do the very things that they have so long claimed to be against. What to do?

I'm going to try and get my thought across without too much time and effort, I need to get some sleep - But it is the logical conclusion.

It occurs to me that what we are seeing is the end of an era where the prevailing wisdom was that peace, love and group hugs are all the world needs to be a happy place. To summarize - we discovered that if you have a war, and nobody comes - then good people get raped, massacred and starved, on a consistent basis.

The leftist elites for so long have claimed the moral high ground in polite society and have shut down dissent of their viewpoint with screams of ~~heretic witch~~ "racist" to anyone who dares to dissent. Recent articles did a great job of discussing the demands of impossible purity and perfection.

To get to the end of my long rambling point - I think there are times when the "prevailing wisdom" just shifts. At one time, to discuss mental illness, you had to invoke Freud to have credibility. Now we look back and just see him as a perv with an excessive obscession over sex and bowel movements.

And so it is with just about all of the the new and improved "wisdom" of the sixties. The true believers will continue to cling to their doctrine, proclaiming you just need more faith to make it come to pass. But the beliefs are now officially defunt. Those that espouse them are no longer wise sages, but old fools.

I'm sorry for wasting so much bandwith...but I'm in that tired, rambling mode. So if you are still with me... I have one last thought.

Today when I was driving, I stopped for some geese to cross the road - so did all of the other cars. And it occured to me, how the Islamists and the rioters are like these geese. I could easily run them over and squash them - but I had no desire to do so. The big one stopped in the middle of the road, acting all tough - and I dutifully obliged him, because I could. But if the situation were such that my life depended on not stopping - well - I'd try my best to avoid him... but hey.. stuff happens.

And that is basically how this conflict will end. We are the car - the rioters/fanatics are the geese. At some point - they will have to get out of the road, or we will be forced to run them over.

Posted by 2b 2005-11-10 07:18|| 2005-11-10 07:18|| Front Page Top

#5 One wishes careers as moron political pundits were ended half as easily.

Buchanan is the left's favorite "conservative". He'll either say things so stupid they make conservatives in general look bad, or he'll say things the left is in complete agreement with.

For this, they continue to support him.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-11-10 07:56|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-11-10 07:56|| Front Page Top

#6 While France has not assimilated huge coloured populations it has absorbed LOTS of Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Poles and the Chinese/Vietnamese are not doing bad.

The difference is:

1) Unlike Italians or Portuguese who considered France as richer, more advanced and more learned than their countries, these are immigrants who have an ideology telling they are superior to the locals. You don't want to assimilate with inferiors: think in a Nazi moving to Black Africa

2) All things being equal you have more crime between the marginalized people but it much worse when those people follow a doctrine who encourages atacking and plundering the infidels. This will reinforce the racist feeling from the locals (BTW, the European immigrants also met with racism but their chiklds or grand-childs were just French with funny names)

3) At the time when Italians or Portuguese were moving to France they were nearly completely cut off from their original cultures. Modern immigrants travel far more to their country of origin, have satellite dishes their governments have created programs to keep them in touch with their original country both culturally and ideologically. In the old times the child of immigrants felt nothing special about the country of their fathers and would have had no qualms in serving in the army against it.

4) In those glorious days there was no multicultism. Every French teacher even when his class was 90% immigrant or even when sent to Black Africa opened his history book and told "Our ancestors the Gauls, had blond hair and blue eyes". Meaning that whatever your ethinc roots, spiritually you were a French and had Gaul ancestors. Period. And he felt he made them a favour by molding them into a superior nation and culture (and please no anti-french sneers: just compare the numbrer of Nobel Prizes and Field Medals of France vs Spain, Italy or Portugal). But after 1968 and, still more after 1981 we had teachers who denigrated France, felt their duty to bend backwards for accomodating the immigrants, organized arabic lessons while the MSM were telling that all cultures were equal, that we could not be judgemental (and that is why, poligamy and female genital mutilation were not actively pursued) and that any problem was due to French racism and none to pooor immigrants.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-11-10 10:43|| 2005-11-10 10:43|| Front Page Top

#7 Thank you for your insight, JFM, it's always a good learning expierience for me to read your comments. I sincerely hope things work out for France.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-11-10 11:07|| 2005-11-10 11:07|| Front Page Top

#8 I forgot a factor: France had not been at war with Italy and for Napolonic invasion of Spain it was over a century ago. This was not the case with Algerians who in addition had a governemnt who fanned on anti-French hate in order to hide its illegitimacy. (It would be intesresting to know the composition of Muslim rioters: evenly spread between Morrocans, Tunisians and Algerians or disproportionately Algerian).

Posted by d ">d 2005-11-10 11:15|| 2005-11-10 11:15|| Front Page Top

#9 "But after 1968 and, still more after 1981 we had teachers who denigrated France . . . "

This is also a problem here and an aspect of social deconstructionism which is aimed at undermining existing strengths in a society and replacing them with a new "ethic"--leading to political change favoring the left. First they must dismantle the guiding values of the society, then they can change it, and ultimately claim control.

Thanks for your posts JFM.

Posted by ex-lib 2005-11-10 12:00|| 2005-11-10 12:00|| Front Page Top

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