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Ted Kennedy to Probe Gitmo Lingerie Torture
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Posted by Anonymoose 2005-07-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10328 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Save the pliers for use on Teddy, once he gets there don't let him leave.
Posted by Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-18 01:02||   2005-07-18 01:02|| Front Page Top

#2 Teddy needs the bra and dance demo to find out first hand if those activities are indeed torture. Slap a study on it and write up a report. Give him a cigar and a glass of gin, pen, ink, and paper. Lock him in a room and give him 2 hours and see if he can write up some Churchillian stuff. LMAO!
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2005-07-18 02:05||   2005-07-18 02:05|| Front Page Top

#3 who better to investigate lingerie torture?
Posted by intrinsicpilot 2005-07-18 02:52||   2005-07-18 02:52|| Front Page Top

#4 

...detainees at Guantanamo Bay were being tortured with women's underwear


Excuse me, lingerie torture? This is utterly pathetic - how on earth did the situation get to this? Some of the those held would quite happily behead people and we're getting antsy about a g-string?
Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-18 03:49||   2005-07-18 03:49|| Front Page Top

#5 So now are we going to outlaw prepping for interrogation? It is a proven fact that subjects remain resolute unless they are either threatened or humiliated. Take those techniques away, in the name of dignity for terrorists, and we might as well set them all free to terrorize.
Posted by Vlad the Muslim Impaler 2005-07-18 04:45||   2005-07-18 04:45|| Front Page Top

#6 Ladies' underwear is recreation to some people.

Yeah, Teddy, lighten up. We're not torturing these people, we're expanding their cultural horizons.
Posted by Darth VAda 2005-07-18 06:48||   2005-07-18 06:48|| Front Page Top

#7 while it's fun to have a good laugh at the Senate's biggest clown - this story doesn't pass the smell test.

Do you really believe that anybody would have done this at Gitmo after what happened at Abu Gharib? This is BS! They are presenting this as a point of fact and we are happy to accept it cause Ted's such a bozo it could easily be true.

Somethin's not right here.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 06:59||   2005-07-18 06:59|| Front Page Top

#8 "Excuse me, lingerie torture? This is utterly pathetic - how on earth did the situation get to this?"

We got to this sorry state of affairs by having the Democratic Party in control of Congress for most of the last century, and by a gradual-- but now nearly complete-- takeover of our media outlets and our education system by Leftist propagandists who are working their asses off to destroy everything that makes this country (and yours, as well) worth living in.

In a sane country not drugged out of its mind with the moral anesthetic dispensed by the Left, Teddy Kennedy and his kind would have been rounded up a long time ago, charged with high treason, convicted, and would now be mouldering in Leavenworth.
Posted by Dave D. 2005-07-18 07:12||   2005-07-18 07:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Torture, by definition, is looking at Teddy Kennedy in a teddy.
Posted by ed 2005-07-18 07:12||   2005-07-18 07:12|| Front Page Top

#10 OK. Let me see if I can comprehend the positions taken by the run-of-the-mill liberal:

o Men wearing women's panties in the course of their daily lives are simply practicing an alternative lifestyle, and we should tolerate and accept them.

o J. Edgar Hoover was a freak and a pervert because -- according to a mob boss's whore -- he wore women's clothes in private.

o Forcing mass-murderers and would-be mass murderers to wear panties during the course of interrogation is indistinguishable from applying 120V AC to their genitals, pulling their fingernails out with pliers, and raping their families in front of them.

o Ted Kennedy is one of America's premiere statesman, not a brain-damaged booze hound driven insane by his failure to live up to 1/100th of the success of his murdered brothers and his rejection of the American people.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-18 07:34|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-18 07:34|| Front Page Top

#11 Robert! I think you've got it!
Posted by Bobby 2005-07-18 07:45||   2005-07-18 07:45|| Front Page Top

#12 Gitmo interrogators forced a detainee to wear a bra, put women's g-string panties on his head, ordered him to dance with a male interrogator and forced him to stand naked in front of women,

The interrogators who did this did not obtain any intelligence from this subject, and they caused a scandal. If the military is incapable of doing its own work propertly, then apparently Congress has to intervene and clean house for them.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-07-18 07:55||   2005-07-18 07:55|| Front Page Top

#13 Assuming you're correct, Mike, and they got no intel from this guy, does that mean the technique garnered no results with anyone?

The military is quite capable of doing it's work properly, not propertly, thank you.

And third, Mike, didn't 'Congress' already investigate? Didn't several Dems and 'Pubs visit Gitmo a few weeks ago?

Finally, Teddy is not Congress, and I believe he is " a brain-damaged booze hound driven insane by his failure to live up to 1/100th of the success of his murdered brothers and his rejection of the American people."

Goodbye.
Posted by Bobby 2005-07-18 08:06||   2005-07-18 08:06|| Front Page Top

#14 Hey Mike - just q question - who were the investigators? Who told them that this happened, were there witnesses - or is it just the word of a prisoner. You don't know - but you're locked and loaded like a good little soldier. Maybe if you if you get enough points, you can be invited to visit your Russian counterparts at Moving Together and they will let you ride on their vespas.
Moving Together

Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 08:13||   2005-07-18 08:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Let him drive there
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-07-18 08:24||   2005-07-18 08:24|| Front Page Top

#16 Re #14 (Bobby)
does that mean the technique garnered no results with anyone?
In general, the disadvantages of these stupid interrogation gimmicks blatantly outweigh the advantages.

The military is quite capable of doing it's work properly, not propertly, thank you.
Thanks for the spelling correction!

And third, Mike, didn't 'Congress' already investigate? Didn't several Dems and 'Pubs visit Gitmo a few weeks ago?
One of the disadvantages of these stupid interrogations gimmicks is that the subsequent investigations go on and on and on and on.
Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-07-18 08:27||   2005-07-18 08:27|| Front Page Top

#17 Re #14 (2b)
Maybe if you if you get enough points, you can be invited to visit your Russian counterparts at Moving Together and they will let you ride on their vespas.

Whatever.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-07-18 08:28||   2005-07-18 08:28|| Front Page Top

#18 so Spike - you're in on the secret intel? Boy we do need a housecleaning of linguistholes at State
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-07-18 08:43||   2005-07-18 08:43|| Front Page Top

#19 MS...what's the matter, don't know the answer to the questions regarding the facts? You don't know squat about this but you are ready to jump up and down like a monkey over it.

Go ask your team leader, maybe he can give you some good talking points.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 08:46||   2005-07-18 08:46|| Front Page Top

#20 In general, the disadvantages of these stupid interrogation gimmicks blatantly outweigh the advantages.

What disadvantages? No physical harm, no real psychological damage to our people, and it's nowhere near real definition of torture. There'd be no downside if traitors like Kennedy weren't more interested in their personal power than US victory.

Christ, in WWII, if someone had whined that we were putting panties on the heads of unlawful combatants, they'd have been laughed out of the country. The only real scandal would be that we didn't just shoot them out of hand.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-18 08:51|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-18 08:51|| Front Page Top

#21 Given that several of the 9/11 hijackers went to Olympic Garden in Vegas just prior to murdering thousands, I think their 'righteous purity' act is just that: an act.
Posted by eLarson 2005-07-18 08:55|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2005-07-18 08:55|| Front Page Top

#22 Lets see....

These terrorists (sorry... I'm more honest then Ted) behead, rape, and truely torture innocent people. When they behead and murder (as in murder dead) innocent civilians its perfectly A-OK with Ted Kennedy.

When rumor of these terrorists claim that they might have womens panties on their heads Teddy Boy gets all upset.

Ted -- our senator from Al-Queda.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-07-18 08:56||   2005-07-18 08:56|| Front Page Top

#23 Boy we do need a housecleaning of linguistholes at State

So I'm not the only one who thinks Mikey works at State?
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-18 08:56|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-18 08:56|| Front Page Top

#24 Damn, RC - I think you are giving him waaaay too much credit. I would have guessed his mother's basement.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 09:04||   2005-07-18 09:04|| Front Page Top

#25 No basement-dweller would have as strong a love of the UN. I mean, c'mon, he said the money for the Oil-For-Kofi's-Retirement-And-Terrorists investigation should come from Iraqi funds!
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-18 09:06|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-18 09:06|| Front Page Top

#26 probably not a matter of my underestimating Mikey, just overestimating the people who work at State. Still - he's always on right on point to parrot the pre-ordained daily DU and Moveon.org. talking points.

I think he's trying to get points to win a trip to the summer-camp of Nashi. Go Mikey

Hey Mike, have you gotten enough points to win your brown shirt with a Move on logo yet?
Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 09:20||   2005-07-18 09:20|| Front Page Top

#27 And the leftist press wonders why the arabs hate us? I am almost hating us too after seeing this crap. Pathetic.
Posted by mmurray821 2005-07-18 09:20||   2005-07-18 09:20|| Front Page Top

#28 Don't worry boys. Its all in the plan. While Teddy's there, we're going to let him take some of the worst boys home with him on a very heavily publicized release program. After the well plied celebration, the good news is, the Senator is going to have to drive everyone across a bridge we've erected over the bay to the airfield. We're looking for a trailer for the MSM to ride in while accompanying him on the run. For the photo opportunity of course.
Posted by Karl 2005-07-18 09:37||   2005-07-18 09:37|| Front Page Top

#29 Interesting enough, thats how the Police got
Marv Albert to 'fess up.
Posted by DepotGuy 2005-07-18 09:58||   2005-07-18 09:58|| Front Page Top

#30 Now they can bitch about being exposed to pigs. Big, fat ones...
Posted by tu3031 2005-07-18 10:06||   2005-07-18 10:06|| Front Page Top

#31  If the military is incapable of doing its own work propertly, then apparently Congress has to intervene and clean house for them.

In this case, Senator Kennedy could care less whether the military was doing its work properly; this is simply political fodder.
Posted by Pappy 2005-07-18 10:45||   2005-07-18 10:45|| Front Page Top

#32 Teddy has alot of firsthand experience in these matter it seems.
Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-18 11:03||   2005-07-18 11:03|| Front Page Top

#33 I almost forgot that one, Pappy. It's so obvious, isn't it Mike? Who's gonna clean your house, MS?

Posted by Bobby 2005-07-18 11:04||   2005-07-18 11:04|| Front Page Top

#34 Tortured with lingerie? There are people who would kill for being tortured like that.
Posted by JFM">JFM  2005-07-18 11:08||   2005-07-18 11:08|| Front Page Top

#35 Thanks to Michelle Malkin, I know why Teddy's doing this: today's the 36th anniversary of the murder of Mary Jo Kopechne.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-18 11:27|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-18 11:27|| Front Page Top

#36 Mike wrote: "The interrogators who did this did not obtain any intelligence from this subject...."

Sorry, you're wrong:

Information from a prisoner alleged to have endured rough interrogation tactics at Guantanamo - Mohammad al-Qahtani - led to the capture of the alleged plotter behind the Sept. 11, attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld June 14.

Furthermore, said the Pentagon chief, the information helped head off planned terror attacks.

[source = http://tinyurl.com/d3r2f]
Posted by growler 2005-07-18 11:35||   2005-07-18 11:35|| Front Page Top

#37 Funny how those things go isn't it RC? Teddy's mantra seems to be scrutinize all without mercy but with the benefit of righteous hindsight but, in the personal, don't look back, don't look back, don't look back (probably borrowed the phrase and logic from Jesse J. himself). No shame in Teddy's game. Oh no. His political white horse and armor routine always bugs me to no end not because it stinks of horse manure and urine (very unpleasant in the heat and humidity of DC) but rather because it all smells of blood and death. The blood of somebody he left to die and for which he has never been brought to account. You want a moral failing? It doesn't get much worse. Best part is that he and his ilk can't understand that when he mounts up on the old Kennedy moral warhorse at the convention or, as we see here on a smaller stage, the stench of brutal irony lingers for days after the rhetoric vanishes. Bastard.
Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-18 12:40||   2005-07-18 12:40|| Front Page Top

#38 Re #36 (Growler):
Information from a prisoner alleged to have endured rough interrogation tactics at Guantanamo - Mohammad al-Qahtani - led to the capture of the alleged plotter behind the Sept. 11, attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld June 14.

That's a good comment, Growler, but I recall that this was a case where the prisoner stopped cooperating after these stupid gimmicks were applied.

I'm at work right now, but I'll research this matter this evening and try to post a relevant link.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-07-18 13:06||   2005-07-18 13:06|| Front Page Top

#39 Before she reformed the sister-in-law ran the hat-check stand at night club in NYNY that Teddy, Dodd and pals used to frequent.

It was a sucessor to Studio 54 and had a sister club in Flordia where the other Kennedy guy spied that girl and did his thing...

Anyway... The club was one of those (in the early 80s) that had tables covered with white lines for its rich spoiled customers. Teddy was a regular there and totally fcked up most of the time.

Posted by 3dc 2005-07-18 13:12||   2005-07-18 13:12|| Front Page Top

#40 try to post a relevant link.

That'll be a first.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-18 13:18|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-18 13:18|| Front Page Top

#41 Thank you, RC. In memory of Mary Jo:
http://www.ytedk.com/scandals.htm
Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-18 13:25||   2005-07-18 13:25|| Front Page Top

#42 Mike - I assure you, we are all breathlessly await your highly intelligent, non-partisan, intellectual response in order to stimulate meaningful discussion.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 13:32||   2005-07-18 13:32|| Front Page Top

#43 of course, we could just click here moveon.org
and click on campaigns to see what your team leaders are putting out for you to say.

Just curious, Mike, whose your team leader? Doesn't it bother you just a little bit that you are the same sort of loser-sap that Putin looks for? Losers Wanted That realization has to hurt.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 14:13||   2005-07-18 14:13|| Front Page Top

#44 No, Mike. He started talking only after he was made to wear the Underwear Hat.
Posted by growler 2005-07-18 15:22||   2005-07-18 15:22|| Front Page Top

#45 The moveon.org site says (about Karl 7 Valerie & joe, et al. - Newsweek magazine revealed that Karl Rove, the President's key political advisor, was responsible for disclosing the identity of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame. Rove's lawyer has confirmed that he was involved. Last year, President Bush promised that anyone at the White House involved in the leak would be fired. We believe that the President should stick to his word. That's why we're calling on him to fire Karl Rove. Sign the petition.

Well, that's short and sweet! But, wait! That's not what the MSM friend-of-the-court brief said! That's not what Joe Wilson said yesterday, when he wouldn't state (one way or the other) if his wife had been out of the country during the last five years. Is MoveOn actually slanting stuff? Who do they think they are? Michael Moore?
Posted by Bobby 2005-07-18 16:02||   2005-07-18 16:02|| Front Page Top

#46 Just wait till they uncover the really horrific stuff: forced recitations of "I'm a Little Teacup"...
Posted by mojo">mojo  2005-07-18 16:06||   2005-07-18 16:06|| Front Page Top

#47 when I get steamed up, hear me shout
Posted by 2b 2005-07-18 16:09||   2005-07-18 16:09|| Front Page Top

#48 So Otis is going to Gitmo, maybe they'll let him sleep it off in a cell

Otis as in "The Andy Griffith Show"
Posted by Cheaderhead 2005-07-18 17:08||   2005-07-18 17:08|| Front Page Top

#49 Maybe he expects to find some of those hookers in Gitmo?
Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 17:10||   2005-07-18 17:10|| Front Page Top

#50 ...wear a bra, put women's g-string panties on his head, ordered him to dance with a male interrogator and forced him to stand naked in front of women...

Wait a minute. They get all this for free? Cripes, I'm being overcharged by Mistress Domina bigtime!

{ ;^)
Posted by Parabellum 2005-07-18 18:39||   2005-07-18 18:39|| Front Page Top

#51 From The New York Times, June 21, 2004:
... Pentagon officials ... said the techniques prompted an important Qaeda member to give up vital information. But new details of that case, which involved a 26-year-old Saudi man who apparently tried unsuccessfully to enter the United States as the 20th hijacker in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, call some of those assertions into question. Several officials familiar with the case said that for months, no one at Guantánamo even knew who the detainee, Mohamed al-Kahtani, was and that he was identified only after the Federal Bureau of Investigation stepped in. The officials also said that the harsher interrogation methods used against him were largely unsuccessful, that he had little sense of other Qaeda plots, and that he had been most forthcoming under more subtle persuasion. ...

The bureau [FBI] sent a longtime counterterrorism specialist who is fluent in Arabic and worked extensively on investigations of Al Qaeda. .... Over a series of interrogations that extended into the fall of 2002, the agent slowly built a rapport with Mr. Kahtani, approaching him with respect and restraint ... Mr. Kahtani began to open up, officials said. He disclosed that he attended an important Qaeda planning meeting with two of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Malaysia, in January 2000. Mr. Kahtani also said he had a relative he thought might be living near Chicago. The relative, Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, is believed by officials to have been planted in the United States as a Qaeda "sleeper" agent. He was taken into custody as a material witness shortly after arriving in the country on Sept. 10, 2001, and was later confined to a Naval brig in Charleston, S.C., with two American citizens charged as "enemy combatants," Jose Padilla and Yaser Hamdi. One official said that Mr. Kahtani had admitted that he had intended to join the hijackers but that he had given up little or nothing about other Qaeda plans.

To some F.B.I. experts, officials said, his ignorance seemed credible: he had been recruited to be what the plotters called a "muscle" hijacker, someone to subdue passengers rather than pilot a plane. Officials said such lower-level operatives were generally only minimally informed even as to the details of attacks in which they would take part. But military intelligence officials were skeptical, believing that new approaches to Mr. Kahtani might well reveal plans for attacks that were to follow the hijackings or that might have involved Mr. Marri. In late November 2002, Pentagon officials informed the F.B.I. that they would take over interrogations of Mr. Kahtani, an official said. A list of 17 new interrogation techniques ... was approved by Mr. Rumsfeld in early December. Ten of the techniques were used on Mr. Kahtani before complaints from some military officials prompted Mr. Rumsfeld to retract his approval for the more extreme methods, military officials said. ...

Last month, a senior Bush administration official told The Times that Mr. Kahtani had provided information to interrogators "about a planned attack and about financial networks to fund terrorist operations." But several other officials disputed that characterization, saying he had not given any new information about plots by Al Qaeda. ...

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From Time Magazine (excerpted in Meades Maxim):
By itself, the log doesn’t make clear how effective the interrogations were. The Pentagon contends that al-Qahtani has been a valuable source of information: providing details of meetings with bin Laden, naming people and financial contacts in several Arab countries, describing terrorist training camps where bin Laden lives and explaining how he may have escaped from Tora Bora in December 2001. Pentagon officials tell TIME that most of the intelligence gleaned from those sessions was recorded in other documents. ....

He starts to moan and asks again to be allowed to relieve himself. Yes, but first he must answer questions:

Interrogator: Who do you work for?

Al-Qahtani: Al-Qaeda

Interrogator: Who was your leader?

Al-Qahtani: Osama bin Laden

Interrogator: Why did you go to Orlando?

Al-Qahtani: I wasn’t told the mission

Interrogator: Who was with you on the plane?

Al-Qahtani: I was by myself

.... He asks his handlers for some paper. “I will tell the truth,” he says. “I am doing this to get out of here.” He finally explains how he got to Afghanistan in the first place and how he met with bin Laden. .... al-Qahtani takes back the story he told the day before about meeting bin Laden.

The log reports that al-Qahtani makes several comments to interrogators that imply he has a big story to tell, but interrogators report that he seems either too scared or simply unwilling, to tell it. On Jan. 10, 2003, al-Qahtani says he knows nothing of terrorists but volunteers to return to the gulf states and act as a double agent for the U.S. in exchange for his freedom. Five days later, Rumsfeld’s harsher measures are revoked ....

Senior Pentagon officials told TIME that some of his most valuable confessions came not during the period covered in the log or as a result of any particular technique but when al-Qahtani was presented with evidence coughed up by others in detention, especially Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, or KSM, the alleged mastermind of 9/11. The intelligence take was more cumulative than anything else, says a Pentagon official. Once al-Qahtani realized KSM was talking, the official speculates, al-Qahtani may have felt he had the green light to follow suit.

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So, I was right again!
Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-07-18 20:01||   2005-07-18 20:01|| Front Page Top

#52 You're right, Mikey. No reason to subject the terrorists to any discomfort during interrogations.

It's time to start the tribunals and executions, anyway.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-18 20:12|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-18 20:12|| Front Page Top

#53 I don't care if his execution is painless. Just do it.
Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-18 20:39||   2005-07-18 20:39|| Front Page Top

#54 Mike Sylwester - a known liar and apologist for tyrants and thieves - quotes the NYT - guilty of the same - loser and scum. Less than a troll - on the other side. Remember that and treat him accordingly
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-07-18 21:00||   2005-07-18 21:00|| Front Page Top

#55 So when did Teddy boy become the arbiter of moral values?
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-07-18 21:02||   2005-07-18 21:02|| Front Page Top

#56 for the Donks - when they allowed him. I call him a woman-killing drunk with nannystate pretentions to cover for his lack of stature in the Kennedy hierarchy, and an inflated sense of self-importance (and denial of his real image...)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-07-18 21:11||   2005-07-18 21:11|| Front Page Top

#57 Teddy boy became the arbiter of moral values after he had committed just about every sin he could without going to jail. He knows both sides firsthand, John Q.
http://www.ytedk.com/scandals.htm
Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-18 21:12||   2005-07-18 21:12|| Front Page Top

#58 did I leave out bloated dinosaur?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-07-18 21:15||   2005-07-18 21:15|| Front Page Top

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