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Hunt for London bombing network fans out across globe
Posted by: tipper || 07/17/2005 12:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [315 views] Top|| File under:

Bomber 'linked to Israel blast'
ISRAELI security sources played down a report today that a key suspect in this month's London bombings is believed to have helped plan a pro-Palestinian suicide attack in Tel Aviv two years ago.

Maariv daily said Mohammad Sidique Khan travelled to the Jewish state in 2003 and that Israeli defence officials suspect he helped two fellow British Muslims carry out a suicide bombing at a beachfront bar that year that killed three people.

British police named Khan, 30, as a member of a cell that killed at least 55 people in the July 7 bombings in the capital. A senior Israeli security source said the Maariv report, which cited no evidence, was unsubstantiated. "This is not a concrete finding," the source said.

Israeli officials are under orders from Prime Minister Ariel Sharon not to draw links between the London attacks and Palestinian militants to avoid offending British sensibilities. After al-Qaeda's September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, Sharon was quick to draw parallels to Israel's own struggle against Islamic militants who have spearheaded a Palestinian uprising since 2000.

Hamas, an Islamic movement sworn to Israel's destruction, issued a joint claim of responsibility for the April 2003 attack on the Mike's Place bar along with al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed wing of the dominant Palestinian political faction Fatah.

Asaf Hanif, a Briton of Pakistani descent, blew himself up at the bar, but his comrade Omar Sharif fled after apparently failing to detonate his bomb. Sharif's body was found in the sea a week later. Investigators concluded he had drowned.

A week after the Tel Aviv attack, Israel's then chief of military staff, Lieutenant-General Moshe Yaalon, said in a radio interview that Hanif and Sharif had been recruited to Hamas in Lebanon and Syria in a manner that "characterises al-Qaeda". But Israeli officials soon backed off making the linkage.

Voicing support for the Palestinian revolt, which erupted in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 2000, is central to al-Qaeda methodology. But Palestinian officials and militants say Osama bin Laden's network has no significant presence in their midst and emphasise the differences between their grievances, goals and methods and those of al-Qaeda.

Some Israeli analysts agree, noting doctrinal differences between al-Qaeda, which operates internationally and targets moderate Muslims as well as non-Muslims, and Palestinian militants, who have recently limited their attacks to Jews in Israel and Israeli-occupied territories.
Posted by: tipper || 07/17/2005 09:16 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [333 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That british "sensibilities" might be "offended" by understanding the links between the London attacks and the Palestinian situation is truly disgraceful.
Posted by: ryuge || 07/17/2005 13:16 Comments || Top||

#2  of course this is nothing like Israeli bombings. Israeli busses are filled with Jews.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/17/2005 18:16 Comments || Top||

Erdogan condemns attack, affirms Turkey''s combat of terrorism
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan condemned on Saturday the terrorist attack that targeted tourists in Kusadasi resort and killed five and wounded 13 others. Speaking at a news conference, Erdogan said security forces took all measures to maintain security in the scene of the blast, affirming Turkey's determination to combat terrorism and all modes of violence. He further said, terrorism is a deviant phenomenon that has neither a religion nor a country, and it cannot be determined when and where it will take place. Today's blast is the second of its kind where another blast hit a tourist area last Sunday and wounded more than 22 people. Terrorist attacks have lately escalated in Turkey targeting military bases and tourist resorts.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [298 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I have to say death to the commie terrorist scum that is the PKK. Better dead than Red is still true.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/17/2005 0:20 Comments || Top||

#2  The PKK make a convenient scapegoat. Given the target and the MO, I'd call this as Islamic extremists.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/17/2005 4:30 Comments || Top||

#3  He further said, terrorism is a deviant phenomenon that has neither a religion nor a country, and it cannot be determined when and where it will take place.

ooh, look. The cat finally let go of the doggies toung. Lucky for him he made his bed with Chirac and Sadaam's other friends. Cause you know they'll be right there, behind him.
Posted by: 2b || 07/17/2005 7:43 Comments || Top||

#4  "He further said, terrorism is a deviant phenomenon that has neither a religion nor a country..."

We do know of a religion that nurtures terrorism: Islam. And we do know of countries that nurture most Moslem terrorists: Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

What was Erdogan's point? that he will evade identification of the roots of terrorism?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 12:52 Comments || Top||

Sorry for the mess...
I had some pretty intricate repair work to do, and it involved shutting down the database until I got a good backup and restore. I'm hoping the problem, caused by unwelcome visitors, is taken care of.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 21:21 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [448 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I guess if they (the left) can't handle the truth, they will try to shut it down.

Goebbels would be proud of them.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/17/2005 21:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Thanks for keeping our cage clean Fred!
Posted by: mmurray821 || 07/17/2005 22:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Looks like my post didn't make it through. I had a few error messages after posting (though not immediately). Or, maybe it just sucked. NP. Thanks for the site.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 07/17/2005 22:06 Comments || Top||

#4  thank you, Fred - your work is appreciated
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 22:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Amen, Frank. Izzat whyda Burg was slow yesterday afternoon and Sunday, Fred?
Posted by: Bobby || 07/17/2005 22:14 Comments || Top||

#6  I think so. Once they stopped battering at the gates things speeded back up.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 22:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Thanks Fred for all the work!
Posted by: Red Dog || 07/17/2005 23:20 Comments || Top||

#8  Thanks much, Fred. You've built a wonderful playground for us all -- no wonder the idiots want to play here, too! ;-D
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/17/2005 23:45 Comments || Top||

And now, for some good news
Air force strikes taxi in Gaza Strip

IDF to add more West Bank checkpoints

Report: Top Hamas operative gunned down in Gaza
Posted by: gromgoru || 07/17/2005 11:13 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [312 views] Top|| File under:

#1  :>
Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 14:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Air force strikes taxi in Gaza Strip

That'll teach him for overcharging on fares...
Posted by: Raj || 07/17/2005 14:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Top Hamas operative gunned down in Gaza

Now THIS is what I like to hear.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/17/2005 14:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Air force strikes taxi in Gaza Strip

..."Speed Limit Enforced By Aircraft"...

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 07/17/2005 16:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Air force strikes taxi in Gaza Strip

Cabbies shouldn't stop for anyone carrying rocket launchers
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/17/2005 18:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Cabbie

Where to suh?


Where the Hamas are!


YES SUH! (gets on radio) I need help getting my passenger to where the Hamas are!


Many are in hell. We'll get you there in just a moment...
Posted by: RG || 07/17/2005 18:39 Comments || Top||

#7  Top Hamas operative gunned down in Gaza

Time to order more pizza for the IDF.
Posted by: Jackal || 07/17/2005 21:17 Comments || Top||

Afghanistan/South Asia
40 terrorists killed in 7 days in Kashmir
The Indian Army has gunned down as many as 40 terrorists trying to sneak into Jammu and Kashmir, confirming that the jehadi infrastructure across the border is still very much intact.

Indian troops Saturday shot dead 21 jihadis in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, while two soldiers and two civilians were killed as the hunt continued for terrorists near the Line of Control. Nine of the jihadis were killed during a fierce clash with Indian troops in northern Baramulla district early Saturday, Indian army spokesman Vijay Batra said. A six-year-old girl also died in the exchange of fire between the two sides, he added.

Four jihadis were killed at dawn Saturday during a clash in Kupwara district. Police said six jihadis, two soldiers and a Nepali national were also killed in shootouts and gunbattles across Jammu and Kashmir on Saturday.

On Friday and Saturday, Indian troops recovered the bodies of four more Pakistani terrorists in the snowbound northern Gurez area, bringing the number of dead found there to 11 since Tuesday.
Posted by: john || 07/17/2005 13:28 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [457 views] Top|| File under:

#1  runnin outta virgins
Posted by: macofromoc || 07/17/2005 15:14 Comments || Top||

#2  A job well done.
Posted by: Educated || 07/17/2005 15:28 Comments || Top||

#3  No Mac, plenty goats left, yabetcha
Posted by: Angomorong Phomble7750 || 07/17/2005 16:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Nice to see those Israeli made sensors are working so well.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/17/2005 18:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey - Its the bearded un-deflowerable virgins! (Pic)
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/17/2005 19:42 Comments || Top||

#6  "summer's here and the time is right, for fighting in the streets, boy"
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 22:36 Comments || Top||

Canadian General Says It Like It Is
If Canadians were shocked that the head of their military called his enemy "detestable murderers and sc*mbags," they better get used to it. Gen. Rick Hillier has never minced words, nor is he likely to start any time soon...
I think the original post may have been inadvertently killfiltered for language. There is considerably more at the link.
We did this story a couple days ago. General Hillier is going to melt some brains if he keeps talking like this.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/17/2005 11:27 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [330 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Finally, we find some Canadians worth the sacrifices made at Juno by their own countrymen.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 07/17/2005 11:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes and there is a "left leaning" institute who says the Gnbereal should clarify its alarming comments.

IMHO it is this institute who should clarify its tendency to support the likes of Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot in addition to its support for people like the Islamonuts who are for slavery, women opression and forced religious practice
Posted by: JFM || 07/17/2005 12:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Sounds like a major geezer!

It's time for Canada to take a stand, he said, just as it did 66 years ago when it joined the Second World War against the Nazis, whom he described as "those despicable, murderous bastards."

The Polaris Institute, a left-leaning think tank based in Ottawa, said Friday the defence minister needs to "clarify" Hillier's "very alarming" comments.

"His use of epithets such as 'scumbags' and 'killers' is reminiscent of language used by (U.S.) President (George W.) Bush and U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld," said project director Steven Staples.

Taken alongside recent defence policy changes and an increase in the defence budget, Staples said they "show an unmistakable trend toward the Americanization of the Canadian Forces."

General Hillier

and Steven Staples

Seconds out!
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/17/2005 12:28 Comments || Top||

#4  "But at the same time, if we're really going to deal with this problem and have a hope of putting an end to terrorism, then we have to work towards understanding the "ROOT CAUSES" (my emphasis), which go much deeper than current events in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Stop navel gaving and go read Dore Gold's "Kingdom of Hatred". Then you'll know what the root cause is. Hint...it isn't us.
Posted by: 98zulu || 07/17/2005 13:07 Comments || Top||

#5  This is reassuring. I was under the impression that Canadians were turning into Europussies, to borrow Canadian columnist Mark Steyn's word.

Hurrah for General Hillier!
Posted by: SteveS || 07/17/2005 13:48 Comments || Top||

#6  The guy who says we should care about ROOT CAUSES is entirely right. We should care about the teaching of hate, we should care about a doctrine who says Muslims and more specifically Arabs are a herrensvolk destined to rule the world, we whould care about a doctrine Muslims and more specifically Arabs can perpetrate the most horrendous crimes against Khaffirs without this being a fault and that it is a horrible crime for Khaffirs to retaliate.

These are the root causes of terrorism and this is what we should fight.
Posted by: Whater Ulaviger2430 || 07/17/2005 14:15 Comments || Top||

#7  I agree with understanding terrorists in the same way that I agree there is value in interviewing serial rapists, murders and pedophiles - to neutralize them more effectively. Empathizing with Mohamed Atta is deranged.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/17/2005 15:14 Comments || Top||

#8  Wow! Someone in Canada has found a set of cahones? Well what do you know! Next, we'll be having LEGAL immigration. lol.
Posted by: Rosemary || 07/17/2005 15:16 Comments || Top||

#9  Yes and there is a "left leaning" institute who says the Gnbereal should clarify its alarming comments.

I'd send lots and lots of cash to this general if he "clarifies" his statement by saying, "We should kill the detestable murderers and scumbags, and the people who defend them should be run out of town on a rail."
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/17/2005 15:41 Comments || Top||

Al-Khazraji busted again
A member of the Iraqi Association of Muslim Scholars was arrested by Iraqi commando officers in a raid of his home at dawn Sunday in Al-Adel Baghdad neighborhood, the association said. The Imam and speaker at a Baghdad mosque, identified as Sheikh Hamid Rizouqi Al-Khazraji, was arrested along with one of his guests, an association statement said. The statement added Iraqi officers tampered with the scholar's library and possessions "in search of weapons."
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 10:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [316 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hopefully, they were respectfully quiet when they overturned his book cases.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/17/2005 15:16 Comments || Top||

Al-Qassam brigades attack Gaza headquarters of Israeli military
The military arm of Hamas Movement, Izzedin Al-Qassam brigades announced on Sunday that it successfully hit the Israeli military headquarters in Gaza with four mortar rounds. The brigades said in a statement the attack took place this morning and affirmed continuing the resistance due to "the Zionist recurring violations toward the Palestinians," of which was the Israeli desecration of the Koran in an Israeli prison, in addition to the continuous invasion of some Palestinian areas.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 10:46 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [350 views] Top|| File under:

#1  this infestation needs exterminating.
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 10:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Things are really heating up over there, with Jewish radicals desperate to stop the withdrawl, it being the effective end to their concept of "greater Israel"; and the Paleos desperate to turn the withdrawl into a bloody rout, else they be left with nothing but a wall to fight. That wall has proven to be such an effective barrier to troublemakers that once it is completed, those who thrive on chaos will be SOL. (I would advise that after it is finished, that the Israelis develop a policy that every qassam missile fired over the wall is instantly followed up with a counter-battery TOT over a quarter-mile square area. Then just shrug when they whine about civilian casualties. "If you don't want people to get hurt, don't try to hurt people.")
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/17/2005 11:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Fred that looks like a converted 6 or 8 inch naval gun... but is it Britsh or German?
Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 11:28 Comments || Top||

#4  seems german
Posted by: Hupomoque Spoluter7949 || 07/17/2005 12:05 Comments || Top||

#5  The "desecration of the Koran in an Israeli prison" claim is a demonstrated lie, which Hamas is using to justify their jihad. Just another murderous lie along with all other Paleo-Arab claims.

Let's give them billions of dollars and a State! What about a seat in the UN Security Council, too?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 12:39 Comments || Top||

#6  Aha, is the gun germane?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 12:40 Comments || Top||

#7  German. Its a 170mm naval gun on a field carriage.

See- http://www.landships.freeservers.com/17cm_schnelladekanone_ir.htm
Posted by: buwaya || 07/17/2005 13:04 Comments || Top||

Iraqi police arrest Al-Qaeda money man
Al-Qaeda's financial advisor Saad Abbas Al-Janabi and a former high-ranking army officer, affiliated with terrorists, were arrested by Iraqi police, said Sunday Iraqi authorities. Al-Janabi was the financial advisor of Abu Abdul-Aziz, one of Al-Qaeda's leaders, who was arrested on July 10. In Baqoubah, a former high-ranking army officer, affiliated to the terrorists, was arrested while in possession of a letter thought to be sent from members of Al-Zarqawi's terrorist organization. In press statements, Baqoubah's security commander Colonel Dhiya Ismail, without disclosing the prisoner's identity, said the letter praised the officer's role in assisting the terrorists and their actions. The operation that led to arresting the officer and 61 other suspects, added Isamil, was part of Al-Shurouq's anti-terrorist operation in Baqoubah.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 10:43 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [317 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Who is the army officer....did they just bag Izzat al-Douri?
Posted by: Grins Sluper5274 || 07/17/2005 11:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Wouldn't that be something...
Posted by: .com || 07/17/2005 11:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Note to self: no more letters of recommendation.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/17/2005 11:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Also notice they don't tell you the date of his capture. July 10 is when they nabbed the finance guy.
Posted by: Grins Sluper5274 || 07/17/2005 11:32 Comments || Top||

#5  "..., said Sunday Iraqi authorities..."

What do Saturday Iraqi authorities say about that?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 12:47 Comments || Top||

Attack on US soldier in Iraq by Dutch speaking Arabs (Click on Filmpje)
1:20 pm CDT: Link removed because of the virus question. I'll presume this one was innocent, but allow me to note a Rantburg editorial policy -- anyone trying to post something that causes harm to others' computers will find himself banned forthwith. AoS.
Posted by: Chinesing Elmereng3956 || 07/17/2005 10:01 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [309 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Clicking on the filmpje link resulted in an intrusive attempt to install a virus on my computer.
Posted by: Angeamp Uneamp3391 || 07/17/2005 12:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Another amateurish moose limb attempt to stick it to the infidel?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/17/2005 12:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Moderator, if this posting contains a link to a virus it should be pulled. None of us need to be testing our anti-virus programs today. Thanks.
Posted by: GK || 07/17/2005 14:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Did not know this as the link was provided by www.geenstijl.nl one of the most popular blogs in the Netherlands......Sorry
Posted by: Dutchgeek || 07/17/2005 14:55 Comments || Top||

13 Israelis wounded in Hamas attack
Hamas military wing, Izzuddin Al-Qassam said Saturday it fired mortar shells at a Jewish settlement in Gaza strip wounding 13 Israelis. It added in a statement that three mortar shells were fired at the Nisanit settlement in northern Gaza. "The shelling is a retaliation against the repeated Israeli assaults against our people, the last of which was the desecration of the Holy Quran in the Israeli Maskobia prison," said the statement. The Hamas attack is also a retaliation against the Israeli systematic incursion in the west bank and the killing of Hamas activists in the occupied territories.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [297 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the courageous Hamas leaders are now conferring from secure locations under their daughter's cribs
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 0:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Such Bravery! Such Bravo! Such Heroism!

Such Depravity! Such ineptness!

Brave Islamic warriors deliberately target innocent civilians -- from a distance.... and then they don't even manage to kill anyone!

Yup... lions of the desert.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/17/2005 0:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Sure hope the Israelis don't defend themselves, or the ceasefire is in jeopardy.

/MSM logic
Posted by: Kirk || 07/17/2005 1:42 Comments || Top||

#4  the last of which was the desecration of the Holy Quran in the Israeli Maskobia prison

All else fails, they'll allege something in order to give themselves justification.
Posted by: Dishman || 07/17/2005 2:57 Comments || Top||

#5  all of a sudden, whereas before ya never heard a peep about it, the koran is bein' desecrated willy nilly. must be sumpthin' in the water.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/17/2005 8:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Is Koran desecration good fly-paper?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 12:55 Comments || Top||

Africa: North
Constitution bans extradition of Egyptian citizens
Egyptian public prosecutor Maher Abdulwahed said Saturday the Egyptian constitution does not allow the extradition of any Egyptian citizen, accused of a crime, abroad. Abdulwahed told reporters the public prosecution in Egypt has not received an official notification on the involvement of the Egyptian researcher in the National Center for Researches Dr. Majdi al Nashar in a crime outside the country. "All what the prosecution knows on this regard is mere news published on the press," he said. Egyptian authorities arrested Nashar last Thursday, after British reports suggested his link with recent London blasts.

He also said a foreign country can request from Cairo to question an Egyptian citizen on a particular case only if both countries have signed a judicial agreement. Egyptian Interior Minister Habeeb al Adeli had reconfirmed that detained Dr. Nashar, the 33-year-old biochemist whom Scotland Yard suspected was implicated in the July 7 London bombings, was not linked to al Qaeda network. In statements published today by the "Al-Jumhouriya" daily, the minister said reports of Dr. Nashar's links to al Qaeda "were baseless and the result of hasty judgment." London police, however, had previously affirmed they had found proof that perpetrators of the bombings, which claimed the lives of 54 people and wounded some 700 others, were linked to al Qaeda.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:02 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [336 views] Top|| File under:

Gunmen attack Palestinian security officer
Palestinian security sources said on Saturday that a Palestinian officer was seriously wounded after being shot by unknown gunmen in Beit Lahya, northern Gaza Strip. The sources said that 1st Lieutenant Ra'ed Abu Haloub, member of Palestinian National Security Forces, was shot by unknown gunmen occupying a car, noting that the gunmen were trying to abduct Abu Haloub but failed to do so after clashing with the officer. The sources noted that another officer, called Zeyad Abu Shadaq, survived a similar attack by the same group.

Abu Haloub was transported to a nearby hospital, where medical sources described his wounds as "serious", noting that another person who happened to be at the site was shot. Witnesses in Beit Lahya said that a score of masked gunmen are spreading in the area. They said that the incidents occurred a few minutes after President of the Palestinian National Authority Mahmoud Abbas directed a speech to the Palestinians, in which he threatened to prosecute those who assaulted the security forces, their headquarters, and properties during the past two days.
That worked well, didn't it?
The witnesses noted that last Thursday, clashes erupted between Hamas fighters and the security forces, wounding five Al-Qassam Brigades members, while other members of the brigades responded with burning a number of security authorities' vehicles and damaged their properties. Following the attack on Abu Haloub, the Palestinian security authorities were on high alert.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [338 views] Top|| File under:

#1  high alert? what, to avoid stopping any attacks on the Jooos? puhleeeez....stop with the lies
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  popcorn, please, Fred
Posted by: Angemp Ulemble9700 || 07/17/2005 16:02 Comments || Top||

Saddam general, son found dead after arrest by Iraq commandos
BAGHDAD - A former general in Saddam Hussein’s army and his son were found shot dead in Baghdad after being detained by police commandos, an interior ministry official told AFP Saturday, raising new question marks over the discipline of the elite force.
Who says the RAB doesn't get around?
Akram Ahmed Rasul Al Bayati, a major general in the old regime’s disbanded military, was arrested at his east Baghdad home last Sunday along with two of his sons — Ali, a policeman, and Omar, the official said. Omar was later released and one of his uncle’s offered to pay 7,000 dollars for the release of the other two. The money was handed over Friday afternoon, said the official, asking not to be identified.
Later in the evening, the uncle went to the Talaba district where his brother and nephew were to be released.
The general and his son, along with a third unidentified man, arrived in a civilian car, were taken out onto the street and shot dead, the official said.
Three. But he wasn't pronounced at the local trauma center, nor did Dr. Quincy inspect the remains.
There was no immediate word of any official investigation into the incident, one of a growing number that raise suspicions of serious misconduct by the interior ministry force. Made up of former special forces from Saddam’s military, the 12,000-strong commandos have been deployed in Sunni Arab insurgent bastions like Ramadi and Mosul and are lionised in a nightly show on state television called “Terrorists in the Grip of Justice” that shows confessions extracted from detainees.

But a commando unit deployed to the central city of Samarra was pulled out in April after what US officers said were repeated incidents of looting, culminating in the torching of a home. And a spate of executions of civilians in recent weeks has sparked new accusations against the force.
Sounds like they need some command control and guidance.
Hussein Ali Kamal, deputy minister for intelligence at the interior ministry, told AFP earlier this week it was not known who was responsible for the killings.
"I know nothing! Tell them, Hogan!"
Posted by: Steve White || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [487 views] Top|| File under:

#1  they released him - and shot fleeing prisoners...apologies accepted
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 0:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like a example of what attempting to bribe the cops will get you. Without a working court system what else is there?.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/17/2005 0:03 Comments || Top||

#3  And a spate of executions of civilians in recent weeks has sparked new accusations against the force.

Take that with a few pounds of salt. Depending on which "civilians" are being killed, this may be just what Iraq needs.
Posted by: AzCat || 07/17/2005 0:50 Comments || Top||

#4  This should shorten the cue for trials.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/17/2005 0:54 Comments || Top||

#5  9mm ball is so much cheaper than Hellfires. The officers should be commended for being such good stewards of the public's money.
Posted by: RWV || 07/17/2005 1:45 Comments || Top||

#6  "...former general in Saddam Hussein’s army and his son..found shot dead in Baghdad after being detained by police commandos,"For some unknown reason I can't work-up a decent outrage over this little incedent.
Posted by: raptor || 07/17/2005 7:23 Comments || Top||

#7  Were any live bullets recovered?
Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 8:38 Comments || Top||

#8  Well at least we won't have to put up with Democratic Senators bleating on the Senate floor about how terrible they're being treated in Gitmo, will we. Think we have a solution here. Rest assured Senator Turban, they will not be handled roughly by our guards. Feel better now? Cause that is what is all important, how you feel.
Posted by: Angolulet Chairt8771 || 07/17/2005 9:07 Comments || Top||

#9  They need shutter guns.
Posted by: N guard || 07/17/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#10  "They need shutter guns."

Lol, NG - and the legend grows...
Posted by: .com || 07/17/2005 11:42 Comments || Top||

#11  Their Korans, were they holding their Korans? Did they fall and touch the infidel gound?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 07/17/2005 11:44 Comments || Top||

#12  This can't be the RAB, there's no mention of going to pick up their weapons and most tellingly, no crossfire is mentioned.

I think it's a copycat outfit. Still, they do seem to be picking the right guys ;)
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/17/2005 12:36 Comments || Top||

#13  Countdown to cries of "right-wing death squads"...
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/17/2005 15:42 Comments || Top||

#14  The Wolf Brigade is one of the more effective forces we have stood up. Rough yeah but were in the middle east is the tatics not? They fit the territory and are effective in making the enemy supporters who are leaning to the enemy but not so much to be active fighters and still want to live thier lives. The Wolf brigade is rather effective of making those type stay off the support role due to fear of retribution something our forces are not capable of. The terrorist due this regularly to our fence setting supporters we need and should do the same to the enmies same.
Posted by: C-Low || 07/17/2005 22:14 Comments || Top||

Afghanistan/South Asia
Pakistani tribesmen vent anger over US counter-attack
MIRANSHAH, Pakistan - Thousands of Pakistani tribesmen shouted anti-US slogans on Saturday as they buried three of 24 suspected militants killed inside Pakistan by US forces operating out of Afghanistan.

Mourners chanted “Down with infidel America” and “Long Live Islam” at the funeral held in two villages in the North Waziristan tribal region, 300 km (180 miles) southwest of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. “These 24 people are martyrs and our entire Waziristan region is ready for jihad (holy war),” Maulana Abdur Rehman, a local prayer leader said at the funeral of two suspects.
"Tyrone, listen up, I'm going to have another fire mission for you!"
"Yessir, LT, we're ready."
On Thursday, a senior US administration official in Washington said the United States, Afghanistan and Pakistan needed to squeeze insurgents along the rugged border where Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden might be hiding.

The same day, Major-General Akram Sahi, commander of Pakistani troops in North Waziristan warned tribesmen of an imminent offensive unless they handed over foreign militants.
Notice boys, that when we nail them there's no lashkar and no drumming.
Pakistan military officials said the militants killed on Thursday night near Lowara Mandi, a border village, included Taliban and their Al Qaeda allies. The US military said its forces killed the suspected militants after coming under rocket fire from across the border. One Afghan soldier was killed in the insurgents’ attack.

Lieutenant-Colonel Jerry O’Hara, a US military spokesman in Afghanistan, said the militants fired 25 rockets, while US forces replied with eight artillery shells and fire from aircraft.

Pakistani officials said they were checking whether any territorial violation was committed by the US forces while hitting the suspected militants.
Bet that their findings will be 'inconclusive', since they can't admit that they can't control their border.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [517 views] Top|| File under:

#1  extreme prejudice. When they figure out the drummers have given way to 2-3 seconds notice of incoming, their attitude (as well as their forces) might soften
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 0:06 Comments || Top||

#2  “These 24 people are martyrs and our entire Waziristan region is ready for jihad (holy war),”

Duuude, like, the jihad has been going on just over the border for nearly four years, and you're only now just getting ready? You boys are slooooow movers.
Posted by: Mike || 07/17/2005 0:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Is this an invitation for them to cross over again, for a big suprise?
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/17/2005 0:45 Comments || Top||

#4  ...Man, these guys are fu*king DUMB ...

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 07/17/2005 0:49 Comments || Top||

#5  You fu!k with the bull, you get the horns.
Posted by: Captain America || 07/17/2005 0:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Allah will rain death down upon you all
Posted by: Gleth Shaimp6654 || 07/17/2005 3:50 Comments || Top||

#7  "Allah will rain death down upon you all"

That and a buck won't even get me a cup of coffee. I think "Allah" is going to have to get in line. There are several real humans still looking to do that to me already.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/17/2005 4:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Pakistani officials said they were checking whether any territorial violation was committed by the US forces while hitting the suspected militants.

And if there was? What're y'all gonna do about it?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/17/2005 4:31 Comments || Top||

#9  YoU Hav to xcuse me. Pray ing 5 time day mellt my braine.
Posted by: Gleth Shaimp6643 || 07/17/2005 5:40 Comments || Top||

#10  "Allah will rain death down upon you all"

He needs to recheck his grid coordinates then because he was WAAAAAYY off. Or was he?
Posted by: 98zulu || 07/17/2005 5:44 Comments || Top||

#11  Gleth Shaimpe6654 Imposter - And with all the worshiping you do im sure your reward is the most fruitful. For you will see the result of your actions, this aint a threat or a warning its merely the truth, its your choice if you want to accept it.
Posted by: Angiper Glaick7526 || 07/17/2005 6:14 Comments || Top||

#12  AG7526: Gleth Shaimpe6654 Imposter - And with all the worshiping you do im sure your reward is the most fruitful. For you will see the result of your actions, this aint a threat or a warning its merely the truth, its your choice if you want to accept it.

Talking with your imaginary friends from the Koran has addled your brains. Bring yourself back down to the reality-based community - heck, even smoking crack would be an improvement upon reading the Koran.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/17/2005 6:55 Comments || Top||

#13  24/1,that's some pretty good payback.
"Allah will rain death down upon you all"via 155mm steel rain.

Posted by: raptor || 07/17/2005 7:07 Comments || Top||

#14  Ever stop to think that all these fanatical worshippers of the moon god, Allan, are pissed because we infidels put our decadent American moon landers on their God 36 years ago, left our Christian footsteps all over his face, and left an American flag flying in his eye? What will they do when we put a military base there?
Posted by: Random thoughts || 07/17/2005 7:22 Comments || Top||

#15  So it appears that if Musharef cannot control Waziristan, we have discovered someone who can. Excellent. Seals do not die in vain, bless their souls.
Posted by: john || 07/17/2005 7:23 Comments || Top||

#16  "Allah will rain death down upon you all"/

I find this endless seething and threatening absolutely fascinating. Muslims are dying all over the place, at the hands of their enemies as well as at the hands of other Muslims. While there are certainly successful attacks against innocent civilians, they have made no objective headway in jihad. none.

yet, they still recruit useful idiots and continue to threaten. as if something's gonna change.

Yeah, more people will die as a result of their inability to see facts for what they are. but allan ain't gonna make 'em victorious, by a long shot.

somebody dust off the cluebat, will ya?
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/17/2005 8:25 Comments || Top||

#17  "Allah will rain death down upon you all"

I think you have that wrong. Its the C130's Gunships who are especially apt at delivering death from above in the form of 'steel rain'...

Allan can't even defend his own 'holy book'....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/17/2005 9:45 Comments || Top||

#18  "Allah will rain death down upon you all"

Zulu battery, we have a target for you. Yes, the entire grid square. You see hill 498? I don't wanna see hill 498 anymore.

*MRLS battery launches*
Posted by: mmurray821 || 07/17/2005 10:07 Comments || Top||

#19  Allah will rain death down upon you all

Odd, isn't it, how one moment they're whining about all the death being rained down on Muslims, then the next moment they're seething and declaring Allah will rain death on the rest of us.

Someday they'll connect the two thoughts and realize just who it is Allah's pissed at.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/17/2005 11:02 Comments || Top||

#20  Allah's not pissed at anyone, a small rocky satellite has know emotions. It's a big rock.

There is no God named allah,
Mohammed was a liar.

Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 11:24 Comments || Top||

#21  Have Dog
Named Allen
Does Tricks
Posted by: Paladin || 07/17/2005 11:30 Comments || Top||

#22  They are Insh'allating again in Wazi-stan. Even an SF cluebat does nothing to the collective cerebrium.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/17/2005 13:09 Comments || Top||

#23  Mohammed was also a thief, a rapist, a pedophile and a murderer.

But hey, one billion Moslems think he was the greatest of all lads!

Can you imagine facing one billion Nazis thinking Hitler was the greatest of all people? or one billion Aztecs thinking very highly of Ahuitzotl? (who was claimed to have personally sacrificed more than 80,000 prisoners in four day).
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 13:15 Comments || Top||

#24  haiku

Black rock in desert
History's evil fountain:
Deuterium Cure!
Posted by: Shoji || 07/17/2005 13:19 Comments || Top||

#25  Hey Ima didnt know we could hikoo!
here goes

Green rock I see
mines abound making money
jobs for arabs now.
Posted by: Half || 07/17/2005 14:27 Comments || Top||

#26  Course thats not up to me Epik.

Roses red violets purple
the Florida is at launching depth
and 16 D-5 have been lauched

Above is first verse of a free Form Epik I call D-5 to the Recue.
Posted by: Half || 07/17/2005 14:34 Comments || Top||

#27  That really is a great photo, I wonder who was there to take the picture. Nice old sword, well used though. Such anger and rage this is a tough one. Or is it an archival pose of sorts.
I am so glad that we are stopping the craziness of them fighting us from the "santuary" of Pakistan. That needed to be stopped. The SEAL's (and those that have gone before)are smiling down on the soldiers that retaliated, thanks.
I hope that they did in fact get some of the higher up Al Qaeda types. (the spelling is tough too not just the language, I keep wanting to put Qu for Qaeda geez)
Posted by: Jan || 07/17/2005 14:40 Comments || Top||

#28  "Death to the infidel!
Allahu Akhbar! Al-" BANG
scratch one shit-stained fool
Posted by: Shoji || 07/17/2005 14:45 Comments || Top||

#29  Mess around
With a SEAL
One day
Hellfire Missile
Headed your way
Burma Shave
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/17/2005 14:51 Comments || Top||

#30  Go ahead and BITCH, ya idjits: if you think victory is you killing one of ours while we kill 100 of yours, then your math skills have deteriorated since the glory days of Islamic Mathematics. Substitute Rials for warriors, and see how great a bargain it is if you give 100 to get back one.
Posted by: Ptah || 07/17/2005 14:58 Comments || Top||

#31  Sorry Half, a little innacurate there ;)

SSBN-726 Ohio class submarines

24 Trident II D-5 missiles with up to 8 (I believe) MIRV thermonuclear warheads of yield up to 475kT (23 Hiroshimas). All 24 can be launched within one minute, and I think the US has 19 of these boats, so let's not get into a pissing contest about who is going to be raining death down onto who shall we Gleth?
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 07/17/2005 15:04 Comments || Top||

#32  great burma shave AP
ha ha
Posted by: Jan || 07/17/2005 16:36 Comments || Top||

#33  Thanks, Jan. Wonder what the Spembles have to say about Pakistani tribemen's bruhaha over the payback, heh. Too bad that the funeral swarm did not get a Predator Payback Package™. that would get turbans spinning. And send a real clear message.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 07/17/2005 16:57 Comments || Top||

#34  I've only seen the "more predator ac 130 footage" would like to see the first one.
Fun to crank up the sound on that one.
Any link out there that I can see it with?
Posted by: Jan || 07/17/2005 17:27 Comments || Top||

#35  Jan I got it but its big!
Really big.
look for
45,737,180 MB

Posted by: 3dc || 07/17/2005 23:16 Comments || Top||

#36  er...
Posted by: 3dc || 07/17/2005 23:17 Comments || Top||

Tanker bomb kills 60 Iraqis
A suicide bomber driving a petrol tanker killed at least 60 Iraqi Shias yesterday as the vehicle caught fire and exploded, engulfing scores of people in flames near a mosque and market south of Baghdad. First details of the attack painted a picture of absolute horror even by the standards of Iraq as ambulances sped to the scene to attempt to give aid to the badly burned victims. 'This is a black day in the history of the town,' Musayyib police chief Yas Khudayr said.

Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility. 'The "Hassan Ibrahim al-Zaidi attack" continues for the second day in a row, with rigged cars, martyrdom attacks and clashes,' said a statement from the terror group on a website. The operation is continuing as planned and we warn the enemies of God of more to come.'
Until we kill you all.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [297 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Apparently radical Muslims cannot distinguish between infidels and fellow followers of "God".
Posted by: Educated || 07/17/2005 15:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, Educated, it turns out that Wretchard has been writing recently on the subject of Moslem-on-Moslem terrorism. He suggests that they do this on purpose, and that the main point of their violence is to maintain or try to maintain control over their fellow moslems.

Imagine some Aryan Nation types blowing up the local catholic church somewhere, and you get the general idea.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 07/17/2005 17:04 Comments || Top||

Three British troops die in attack
Three British soldiers, members of the 1st battalion of the Staffordshire Regiment, were caught in a blast in the troubled but largely Shia city of al-Amarah.

It was not clear immediately who had planted the bomb, but if it was Shia radicals this would signal an alarming return in the area to the violence of last year that saw three British soldiers die as they battled Shia gunmen from the Jaish Mahdi militia of the firebrand cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr.

The Ministry of Defence last night announced an investigation into the deaths as the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, paid tribute to the troops' courage. Speaking at the Labour party's National Policy Forum in London, Blair sent his 'condolences and sympathies' to the families of the soldiers who were killed. 'The bravery of our armed forces is yet again underlined as they help Iraq and its people towards the democracy they so desperately want,' the Prime Minister said.

About 600 troops from the regiment have been deployed in the area as part of Task Force Maysan, a battle group that includes a squadron of Challenger 2 tanks from the King's Royal Hussars, soldiers from No 1 Company the Coldstream Guards, and a company from the 1st Battalion the Royal Regiment of Wales.

A spokesman for the ministry said: 'We can confirm that three soldiers have died from injuries sustained in hostile action.

'Two other soldiers were hurt, but their injuries are not life-threatening and they are being treated at a field hospital.' He added: 'We think it was a roadside bomb.'

Task Force Maysan has been based at Camp Abu Naji, just outside al-Amara, which has a population of about 300,000 and was the scene of widespread violence last summer. The deaths bring the number of British personnel who have died in Iraq as a result of combat, accident or natural causes to 92.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [305 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is what thay get for not mashing Tater aome time ago.
Posted by: raptor || 07/17/2005 7:29 Comments || Top||

Africa: North
Egyptian Ministry Denies El-Nashar’s Al-Qaeda Link
The Egyptian Ministry of Interior said yesterday that Magdy El-Nashar, the 33-year-old chemist, an Egyptian who was arrested in Cairo over the London bombings, had no links with Al-Qaeda. “El-Nashar who was arrested on Thursday has no link with Al-Qaeda; so far we don’t know if he is innocent or not. The British Scotland Yard will attend the investigation within the next 48 hours,” said the Egyptian Minister of Interior, Habib El-Adly.

The postgraduate biochemist, detained in Cairo, yesterday denied any link to the London bombings. “He said he had come back to Egypt for a month-and-a-half holiday and was planning to go back to Britain to resume his studies and that all his belongings are still in his flat in Leeds,” said Mahmoud Al-Fishawi, head of the information department at the Ministry of Interior. El-Nashar’s doctorate at Leeds, on which he started research in October 2000, focused on the “development of a novel matrix for the immobilization of enzymes for biotechnology”. In a statement issued yesterday, the Judges Club said if Al-Fishawi [sic!] is proved to be guilty, they will refuse to let him be tried in England. The Bar Association has already filed a request at the ministry asking for a permission to attend the investigation. “So far the ministry has not given us a word, but El-Nashar has a right to have someone to defend him,” said Montasser Al-Zayat, who represents the Freedom Committee of the Bar Association.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [347 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I would think a visit by the UK Ambassador to Egypt is in order, so that he might remind them that the UK maintains a ready stock of thermoneculear weapons. Just in case they intend to engage in typical mideastern asshattery they can be disabused of that idea. (If only Blair had the balls.) Well, one can dream, can't one?
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/17/2005 0:41 Comments || Top||

#2  You are probably correct,SPOD.But one of Britain's dearest friends holds Egypt's purse strings.
Posted by: raptor || 07/17/2005 7:16 Comments || Top||

#3  And it's getting time for that friend to empty the purse, permanently. US $2 billion/year buys a lot of bullets.... or bunker busters.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/17/2005 7:33 Comments || Top||

#4  How does Al-Fishawi explain El-Nashar's renting the flat used by the terrorists?

By all means, let's give them a few more billions of dollars!
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 13:18 Comments || Top||

#5  I don't think the Egyptians will be scared of the Brits. Nasser faced them down in '56 over the Suez, and both sides remember who won that one: the Brits no longer control the Canal.

Nope, we're going to need more eloquent means of persuasion.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/17/2005 13:50 Comments || Top||

#6  As the UK, France and Israel have proved Egypts control of the Suez is by the leave of others, not because Egypt can even start to defend it.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 07/17/2005 14:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Steve White

Your memory is failing. The Egyptian army had its a ss kicked whenver it tried to battle anyone of the three opposing powers (against the Israelis most of the time the Egyptians simply fled according to the book written by Moshe Dayan).

It was the Eisenhower administration pressuring who forced the Israelis out of Sinai and the Franco-British out of Suez.
Posted by: Whater Ulaviger2430 || 07/17/2005 14:50 Comments || Top||

#8  What WU said, it was IKE that did the dirty deed.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 19:47 Comments || Top||

#9  And the UK left East of Suez. Piss poor move on Ikes part.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 19:48 Comments || Top||

#10  Muburak is probably thinking turn about is fair play. Half of Al-Jihad's leadership has been given asylum in Britain and Egypt's request for their extradition have been repeatedly denied.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 07/17/2005 20:32 Comments || Top||

Afghanistan/South Asia
10 held in drive against militant outfits in Punjab
The Punjab government has arrested 10 people from Faisalabad, Gujranwala and Lahore in the past 24 hours during a crackdown against militant outfits, official sources told Daily Times on Saturday. Sources said the crackdown was launched after the media reported that some London bombing suspects had stayed at various seminaries to forge links with militant outfits. Reportedly, four men were arrested from Faisalabad, Toba Tek Singh and Kamalia. Two were identified as Nazir and Shahzad. Four men were also arrested from Lahore but three were later set free. “Two Jaish-e-Muhammad activists were arrested from Gujranwala on Saturday and are being interrogated,” said sources, adding that another major operation was expected on Sunday.

Daily Times also learnt that a team of three British and two Pakistani agencies visited Jamia Manzoorul Islamia on Saturday morning. Sources said the agencies met the seminary’s administrator Asadullah Farooq and some students. “The seminary’s gates were closed while they were there, and no one was allowed to come out or go in,” said sources. Another team of the same agencies also visited Raiwind on Saturday afternoon and met tableeghi jamaat (Islamic preachers) leaders. “They were searching for traces of Shehzad Tanweer’s presence here,” said sources.
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Three out of four Brit boomers visited Pak
Three of the four London suicide bombers recently visited Pakistan and investigators are probing whether they met with Al Qaeda-linked militant groups, said security officials in Islamabad on Saturday. Mohammad Sidique Khan (30) and Shehzad Tanweer (22) arrived together at Karachi Airport in November 2004 and returned to Britain in early February. Hasib Hussain (18) the youngest of the three ethnic Pakistani Britons came separately at an undisclosed time last year, also to Karachi, and went back to Britain shortly afterwards, added the officials. The security officials said they had not been able to trace the movements of the bombers while in Pakistan.

Iqbal Khattak adds: Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao denied reports that any arrests were made in Faisalabad or Multan. “We are fulfilling our responsibility by helping the British government. But I would not like to give the details of our assistance,” he told reporters.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [492 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For the life of me, I cannot understand, and have not been able to understand, why we have claimed Pakistan is an ally through this Iraq war. Their "ally" status has proved to be as treacherous and ridiculous as that of Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: jules 2 || 07/17/2005 3:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Bush names Pakistan as an ally just as he names Saudi Arabia. Our troops are pretty busy right now with the first battles of this war, so the other targets will have to wait their turn... unless they somehow manage to fix themselves in the meantime.

Just my uniformed opinion, of course. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/17/2005 7:30 Comments || Top||

#3  The bottom line was that these four were British citizens no matter where they visited. Do we deny Britain as an ally? Methinks that this cancer is more than nationalities and lies with religious beliefs. They were not Presbeterians.
Posted by: john || 07/17/2005 7:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Pakiland is an ally because we need a land line of communication to Afghanistan. We really need more C-17s.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 8:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Because, perhaps, Musharraf is much, much better than any alternative? Maybe we would prefer a foam-at-the-mouth Mad Mullah in charge of the nuclear weapons instead?
Posted by: gromky || 07/17/2005 9:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Eventually the Pak government will have to give the bad guys up or will find themselves being marched on by us when we are done in Afghan.
Posted by: 49 pan || 07/17/2005 10:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Jules

In this area an ally is country who is earmarked for an ulterior round of regimle change.
Posted by: JFM || 07/17/2005 12:20 Comments || Top||

#8  If we have to go to war against Pakistan we'll be in serious trouble. The country is v.large, has nukes, and is full of Islamofascists (probably more than any other Moslem country). I can't see anything good coming out of that area. We'd have to be in total destruction mode to take on Pakistan. And that would have to mean an all-out nuke war against all Moslem countries at the same time.

I hope it doesn't end like that. If we get there, the Moslems will have forced our hand all the way to Armageddon.

Having said that, let's make sure Moslems understand Mecca and all their "holy" cities are on the immediate hitlist should they launch another attack on US soil. Will Mecca and Islamabad do to Moslems what Hiroshima and Nagasaki did to the Japanese?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 07/17/2005 13:28 Comments || Top||

#9  We don't need to fight the Pakiwak Kalle. We have friends (likely temporary) in the region. We do need a line of communication to Kabul tho and overland thru the otherStans is to elongated.

India takes out the PakiWakis in 5 weeks without Chinee intervention. then it would take 12 weeks.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/17/2005 14:37 Comments || Top||

#10  love the surveillance cameras that London has. That would be great here huh?
I hope the recent retaliation near the border of Pakistan doesn't get anyone fired up to find fault with America. I hope they see it for what it was, and is. That angry Muslim in the other article was probably holding a koran in his other hand.
Posted by: Jan || 07/17/2005 14:50 Comments || Top||

#11  My apologies to all the current and former non-civilians out there. I meant "uninformed", of course. If only I drank coffee!
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/17/2005 23:52 Comments || Top||

#12  Separately, would we need to conquer Pakistan, or simply defeat it? Defeat would mean the Pakistanis would be too busy sorting themselves out to pose a threat beyond their borders, if done thoroughly enough, whereas conquest would involve building a society from scratch, with problems like Afghanistan and Iraq at least cubed, I would think.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/17/2005 23:56 Comments || Top||

Police pickets spring up in city
LAHORE: City police have increased the number of pickets in the city following orders from President Pervez Musharraf to crackdown on extremists. Police set up pickets on several city roads on Saturday checking documents of motorcyclists and motorists. "We have increased our vigilance on the orders of the higher authorities," a constable manning a picket told APP.

The president, addressing 200 senior police and law enforcement officials on Friday, directed them to launch a countrywide campaign against extremists. However, the increased number of pickets caused traffic jams. "While it is good to ensure public safety and security, these barriers do create traffic problems," said an irate motorist stuck in traffic.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [316 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "While it is good to ensure public safety and security, these barriers do create traffic problems,"said an irate motorist stuck in traffic....If that is how they define irate,then they have never been on a Cali or New York freeway.
Posted by: raptor || 07/17/2005 7:10 Comments || Top||

#2  maybe better to set them up around that 60 acre LeT compound or most of the Madrassahs?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/17/2005 9:41 Comments || Top||

Paks questioning "Brit" in Peshawar
Pakistani investigators said Friday they were questioning a British man arrested on suspicion of ties to terror groups but he has no known links to the London attacks. Zeeshan Siddique, 25, was arrested on May 18 near the northwestern city of Peshawar after sneaking into Pakistan on fake documents, and is being held at the city's central jail, the officials told AFP.
Posted by: Fred || 07/17/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [305 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A Brit. And the Queen is their leader. I hear Harry is preparing to wear a suicide belt.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 07/17/2005 8:16 Comments || Top||

#2  The suicide call is allan rule britania old chaps
Posted by: Shistos Shistadogloo || 07/17/2005 17:28 Comments || Top||

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Two weeks of WOT
Sun 2005-07-17
  Tanker bomb kills 60 Iraqis
Sat 2005-07-16
  Hudna evaporates
Fri 2005-07-15
  Chemist, alleged mastermind of London bombings, arrested in Cairo
Thu 2005-07-14
  London bomber 'was recruited' at Lashkar-e-Taiba madrassa
Wed 2005-07-13
  Italy police detain 174 people in anti-terror sweep
Tue 2005-07-12
  Arrests over London bomb attacks
Mon 2005-07-11
  30 al-Qaeda suspects identified in London bombings
Sun 2005-07-10
  Taliban behead 6 Afghan Policemen
Sat 2005-07-09
  Central Birminham UK Evacuated: "controlled explosions"
Fri 2005-07-08
  Lodi probe expands - 6 others may have attended camps
Thu 2005-07-07
  Terror Strikes in London Underground - Death Toll Rising
Wed 2005-07-06
  Gunnies Going After Diplos in Iraq
Tue 2005-07-05
  Three Egyptians on trial for Sinai bombings
Mon 2005-07-04
  Egyptian envoy to Baghdad kidnapped
Sun 2005-07-03
  Al-Hayeri toes up

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