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2005-07-18 Europe

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Posted by Steve 2005-07-18 09:03|| || Front Page|| [10330 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 His case was a test of the new European arrest warrant, introduced last year to speed up the handover of terror suspects.

Well, that sure worked out well, didn't it?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-07-18 10:47|| 2005-07-18 10:47|| Front Page Top

#2 Danke, dickweed jurists!

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-18 11:43|| 2005-07-18 11:43|| Front Page Top

#3 This is one you can clearly stick to the redgreen gov, not to the courts. The EU arrest warrant was implemented with a national law that clearly violates the German Constitution.

Darkazanli might benefit from the blunder but I hail the German Constitutional Court for making that decision. Germans must not be extradited abroad without due recourse in their own country, period.

I am German. I have a right to contest my extradition at a German court, not post factum in Tallinn, Madrid or Athens.

Would the US extradite an American citizen to Mexico without legal recourse?

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 13:17|| 2005-07-18 13:17|| Front Page Top

#4 Our European courts are ruled by mostly socialist judges. Their ignorance is a threat to democracy.

Posted by Dutchgeek 2005-07-18 13:35|| 2005-07-18 13:35|| Front Page Top

#5 Thank you, TGA. Once again we see the EU stumbling over its own... feet.

Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-18 13:42|| 2005-07-18 13:42|| Front Page Top

#6 Well the EU wasn't stumbing, only those who implement EU regulation without considering the German Constitution.

If a German commits a crime in Madrid I have no problems with him facing trial in Madrid. But before he gets extradited he MUST have the right to have his case considered in Germany, or his constitutional rights are violated.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 14:09|| 2005-07-18 14:09|| Front Page Top

#7 very nice - you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-18 14:24|| 2005-07-18 14:24|| Front Page Top

#8 PorKoran,
TGA is one of the most respected posters on this site - he's shown time and time again that he's definitely one of the good guys.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-18 14:25|| 2005-07-18 14:25|| Front Page Top

#9 It's always helpful to switch on your brain before you start up the computer.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 14:26|| 2005-07-18 14:26|| Front Page Top

#10 Nah, the public libraries turn them on in the morning for you.

Posted by Pappy 2005-07-18 14:33|| 2005-07-18 14:33|| Front Page Top

#11 I love the sound of trolls going down the drain.

Posted by Steve">Steve 2005-07-18 14:40|| 2005-07-18 14:40|| Front Page Top

#12 Yeah, I would say that definitely qualified as an abusive comment. TGA, sorry you had to read that.

Posted by Matt 2005-07-18 14:46|| 2005-07-18 14:46|| Front Page Top

#13 Don't worry, just an outbreak of foot-in-mouth-syndrome...
nothing to see here
just flush

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 14:54|| 2005-07-18 14:54|| Front Page Top

#14 It's frustrating because Darkazanli is/was a big cheese, in my estimation. These Syrian brotherhood guys are involved in a lot of nasty stuff in Europe. As far as I can determine, they are the true middle management echelon in European al Qaeda operations. These guys are mostly 37-49 years of age, and fled Syria after Hama. Darkazanli, Yarkas, Mustafa Setmariam Nasar aka Abu Musab al-Asuri (the Syrian), Mausilli Kalaji, and, going back a bit, Abu Rida al Suri aka Mohammed Loay Bayazid. Got to find the Syrians.

Posted by Rory B. Bellows 2005-07-18 14:57|| 2005-07-18 14:57|| Front Page Top

#15 Jeez TGA are you sure you're okay? That was a pretty vicious hit. Is your self-esteem hanging in their?
;>

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-18 14:58|| 2005-07-18 14:58|| Front Page Top

#16 Heh Shipman
you don't want me to read you some of the hate letters I got in the 70s and 80s?

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 15:01|| 2005-07-18 15:01|| Front Page Top

#17 Btw Darkanzanli is not off the hook now. We'll probably have a new law on extradition within weeks.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 15:08|| 2005-07-18 15:08|| Front Page Top

#18 We'll probably have a new law on extradition within weeks.

Can you do that? I realize that it's not criminal law, so it wouldn't truly by an ex-post facto law under which he would be charged as a crime, but still, over here, the ACLU would probably find a Clinton-appointed judge who would overturn it.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-07-18 16:12|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-07-18 16:12|| Front Page Top

#19 Jackal, that would have been true for the current law as well, but this was not a disputed fact.

The Germans wanted to do it the easy way. There wasn't enough to indict the Syrian here so the Spanish extradition call was welcome. The problem is: What the Syrian is alleged to have done was not a crime in Germany at the time, but it was in Spain and Spain suffered from Darkanzali's deeds. So the extradition makes much sense.
Since there is no doubt that in his case the EU Arrest Warrant is justified Darkanzanli is not off the hook unless he can flee the country which won't be easy because he'll be watched 24/7 now until he can be rearrested.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-18 16:31|| 2005-07-18 16:31|| Front Page Top

#20 Even though I don't agree with the outcome I am glad to see the court not cave to the EU. Germany's constutition is the way it is for a reason. Tampering with it to satisfy the EU is not a good enough reason. Spain will have to use a different method to extradite him. Please do not lose track of him.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-07-18 16:43|| 2005-07-18 16:43|| Front Page Top

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