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2005-06-12 International-UN-NGOs

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Posted by anonymous5089 2005-06-12 09:48|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I don't think so.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2005-06-12 15:21|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2005-06-12 15:21|| Front Page Top

#2 While, I mostly agree with VDH's analysis, he falls into the trap of blaming Europe's ills on socialism. Socialism, at least the version practiced in north west Europe worked extremely well. One has only to look at Sweden's world beating industries from a population about the same as a US mid-western state or Holland's or Denmark's world beating agribusinesses from very small land areas and Finland of all places came to dominate the most important industry to emerge in the last 20 years.

It is a historical fact that euro-socialism worked in small culturally homogenous countries. Europe's current problems in this regard are 2 fold. One is that they tried to scale the model up to work across a large heterogenous population. The recent referendums have shown that while people are willing to sacrifice to help a fellow Dane, Dutchman or Finn, they feel no such responsibility for someone on the other side of the continent speaking a different language. The other dynamic at work is large scale emigration has made these countries internally much less homogenous and now the sacrifice is to help an immigrant, who does not reciprocate. While the first problem is solvable by a loose confederation style EU, the second is much more intractable and I fear they have lost the social cohesion that makes the model work and will find the search for either a solution or new model too difficult.

Further in this vein. India and China are quite different in this respect. India is very diverse and to use an example from my own experience. A Tamil thinks of him/her self as a Tamil first and an Indian second. As a result they seem to be gravitating towards an 'Anglo' social model. China in contrast is remarkably homogenous for such a large country and its far from clear what comes after the communist government and how assertively nationalist they will be.

Posted by phil_b 2005-06-12 17:38|| 2005-06-12 17:38|| Front Page Top

#3 Phil, you can't understand the agony of living on a Danish Collective Farm.

Posted by Thor Snorkem 2005-06-12 20:01|| 2005-06-12 20:01|| Front Page Top

#4 But HOMOGENIETY is not the basis for Left-based Socialism - HETEROGENIETY is. As for China. Rummy already indir said it - no way China will ever replace America unless it reduces the size of government and allows more democapitalism and personal wealth - until it actually happens, the only thing the USA, espec the still mostly pro-Left Big Medias, is doing is helping delusional Chicoms and other Commies-Socies believe their own woeful propaganda. EITHER THE COMMIES WAGE WAR AND DESTROY THE USA SOON, OR ELSE THEIR UNIVERSE WILL IMPLODE FOREVER. When the US Medias talk about US econ problems, they are talking about TEMP fluxes and probs in a generally STILL UPWARDLY EXPANDING US NATIONAL AND GLOBAL HYPERPOWER, HYPERCONSUMER ECONOMY. The Commies either kill America, or get us to make more concessions/freebies, i.e PC Tribute, one last time before before they go SOLYENT GREEN and or YUGOSLAVIA for real. The "official" trade gap between the USA and rest of the world as of today is US$50.0B +/-, although many analysts and academics believe is a helluva lot higher - as during the Cold War, the USA is deliberately UNDERSTATING its strengths!?

Posted by JosephMendiola">JosephMendiola 2005-06-12 21:47|| n/a]">[n/a] 2005-06-12 21:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Phil_B: If socialism is working so well in NW Europe, how come noone there can _afford_ to have any kids?

They're running the pyramid scheme by cannibalizing the middle class, which will grow smaller and less secure with each generation, until there's nothing left but a Moslem underclass and a small Tranzi pretend-elite that probably won't last very long by itself.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-06-12 22:41|| http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]">[http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2005-06-12 22:41|| Front Page Top

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