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2005-01-28 Home Front: Culture Wars

Mexico threatens Arizona over anti-illegals measure

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Posted by tipper 2005-01-28 1:29:22 PM|| || Front Page|| [9 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 just hope this spreads to all border states..

and just exactly how is something unconstitutional to an illegial immigrant?

i do not want my tax monney spent on illegial aliens. if our society actually did start to deny benifits the appeall to come would be reduced a bit.

Posted by Dan 2005-01-28 1:53:09 PM|| 2005-01-28 1:53:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 A Mexican government official has threatened to use international courts to block an Arizona law meant to limit public benefits and voting rights to legal residents of the U.S.

Puhhhleaz.

Time for the blogosphere to step up and be counted. It's almost a certainty that Arizona's new law is going to be painted as discriminatory and anti-immigrant by the usual parties. Just like Proposition 187.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-01-28 1:55:16 PM|| 2005-01-28 1:55:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Illegal immigrants are not entitled to anything. If you want to see what happens when you don't restrict illegals access to government services you can go down and stand in front of our closed local district hospital. We tried to pass this in California but the courts invalidated it.
What the Mexican government/oligarchy wants to do is shift off it's responsibilities onto border states it very simple. Screw um'

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-01-28 2:02:29 PM|| [http://slhess.com] 2005-01-28 2:02:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 heh. Don't pick a fight with Arizona. She has 49 friends.

Posted by BH 2005-01-28 2:04:19 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:04:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 ...our own Mexican Americans ..'scuse me seÃ±or Butthead, but Mexican Americans do not BELONG to you. Now piss off.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-01-28 2:05:21 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:05:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Itâs sad, and it gives an idea of how we have to work to educate even our own Mexican-Americans - Mexican gov't official

Sorry, the legal ones (the ones allowed to vote, registration shenanigans notwithstanding) are OURS now, and at least 60% of them get it. You can have the criminals back, thanks.

Posted by VAMark 2005-01-28 2:07:30 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:07:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 correction: 40% percent of them get it. It's a start.

Preview is my friend ...

Posted by VAMark 2005-01-28 2:08:16 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:08:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Rex (#5)...so politically INcorrect! I LOVE IT!

Posted by BA 2005-01-28 2:08:31 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:08:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Mexico also accused the US of violating Mexico's sovereignty by issuing a travel warning to US citzens...no, it's not clear to me exactly HOW that violates M's sovereignty...

Posted by Seafarious 2005-01-28 2:11:47 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:11:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 I think maybe he meant "our own Mexicans in America". Those, he can have back.

Posted by BH 2005-01-28 2:12:45 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:12:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I think they would get (or would have gotten) a lot more response in favor of proposed legislation to ban giving licenses to illegal aliens if people could have responded to their state house by email instead of phone calls. I got an alert from fairus.org about IL and illegal immigrant driver's licenses and the email said you should call your reps. You would have to place a call to each one individually rather than writing them all at one with an email-not a very bright strategy. Either fairus.org or the state website for House of Reps in IL needs to do some website rework, making the sites more user-friendly and navigationally clear. Maximize the number of people who will take action.

Posted by Jules 187 2005-01-28 2:17:14 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:17:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 So is this idiot going to re-imberse Arizona (and Texas, New Mexico, California, etc...) for the cost?

No?

Then he can piss off!

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-01-28 2:26:53 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:26:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Furthermore I think cirizenship-by-birth should only be granted if neither parent is in the US illegally....

If the mother or father are here illegally then no citizenship for their spawn....

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-01-28 2:31:02 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:31:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 "Jose" just announced as #1 Boy's name in this state. Hispanic majority predicted by 2035 or 2045 latest. Demographics trumps politics...ask the Romans...

Posted by borgboy 2005-01-28 2:42:15 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:42:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Can we vote in their elections????

Posted by anonymous2u 2005-01-28 2:53:27 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:53:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 you can't get a license to drive in Meico unless you are legally there....

Posted by Frank G 2005-01-28 3:00:58 PM|| 2005-01-28 3:00:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 borgboy: If that 40% of Mexican Americans who back the measure were to grow even a little...politics may continue to win out.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-01-28 3:01:29 PM|| 2005-01-28 3:01:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Oh, please. Bring that international lawsuit on. That will REALLY scare us here in Arizona.

Not.

This ain't California. We aren't going to care if they call it anti-immigrant. We know it's anti-illegal immigrant. Even my Democrat friends out here can make that distinction.

Waste your pesos by going to court. Then once you get your decision, let's see you enforce it.

It has always been like this with Mexico. They don't want to take responsibility for their stupid policies that make their resource-rich nation so damn poor that they would be worse off than Bangladesh if it wasn't for all the money their citizens send back (I mean, hell, isn't it like 12% of their population is here? That's the MEXICAN government estimate, by the way....)

It would be almost funny if he was honest and admitted that the "restrictions" he bitches about are nothing compared to what I would have to do to get basic services in his country. That's if you could even get your phone turned on, your power, your water, etc.

And....guess what? They have national voter ID cards in Mexico. You can't vote there unless you flash some ID. Porque eso es uno problema en America, pendejo, pero usted tiene la misma ley en tu pais??

Anytime the border states do anything to halt the flow of dollars south, they whine and bitch. Nothing new here, move along....

Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-01-28 3:16:25 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com/] 2005-01-28 3:16:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Every other word out of this guys mouth is "legal". Too bad the folks he's talking about...aren't.
I think I can see the 9th Curcuit warming up in the bullpen. They're probably drooling to get this one.

Posted by tu3031 2005-01-28 3:34:05 PM|| 2005-01-28 3:34:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 tu3031 - Yeah, but then it goes to the Supreme Court. I don't think any circuit court gets their decisions thrown out as much as the 9th does.
And don't forget....there are two Arizonans on the Court.... ;)

Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-01-28 4:04:01 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com/] 2005-01-28 4:04:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Let's just take Mexico.

Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-01-28 4:05:55 PM|| 2005-01-28 4:05:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Desert Blondie: RTFO your #18! Your #20 is also on the mark. The 9th Circus Court is a joke.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-01-28 4:13:06 PM|| 2005-01-28 4:13:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 IIRC, this is the same Mexican official who stated his pleasure and intent to work with international groups to tie down the US like Gulliver by the Liliputans.

Posted by true nuff 2005-01-28 4:21:50 PM|| 2005-01-28 4:21:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Maybe Arizona & New Mexico should make Sonora province - or whatever they call it - an offer?

Posted by Glemble Phigum3647 2005-01-28 4:27:33 PM|| 2005-01-28 4:27:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 The reason that Prop 187 was never implemented had nothing to do with voters having second thoughts about being considered anti-immigrant, # 18. Prop. 187 was never implemented due to the actions of Gray Davis.

Gray Davis had his Justice Dept. take a pass on appealing the case to the Supreme Court. Even anti-Prop 187 foes think the CA Justice Dept. might have prevailed at the Supreme Court level.
http://www.saveourlicense.com/prop187-history.htm
Governor Davis refused to allow the appeal to proceed and dropped the appeal, essentially killing Prop 187 against the will of the voters. This after having promised to support the appeal during his campaign.

Arnold Schwarzenegge supported Prop. 187 but unfortunately he was not the Governor at the time, just a politically minded actor.

Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-28 4:28:16 PM|| 2005-01-28 4:28:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Prop. 187 was never implemented due to the actions of Gray Davis. Gray Davis had his Justice Dept. take a pass on appealing the case to the Supreme Court.

Assuming that you were a CA resident then (I was, and still am, unfortunately), the anti-immigrant angle was the tactic of choice where Prop 187's foes were concerned. Sure, 187's demise had nothing to do with a fear of being labeled anti-immigrant (as opposed to anti-illegal immigrant), but that's how the initiative's backers were portrayed.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-01-28 6:06:22 PM|| 2005-01-28 6:06:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Arizona should pass a law that all undocumented aliens are to be held in the Maricopa Country Jail until they can be deported. This would solve both the illegal immigrant problem and the bologna glut.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-01-28 6:17:43 PM|| 2005-01-28 6:17:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Legally there is no such thing as 'illegal immigrant' since they have not been granted 'immigrant' status by the INS.

These are illegal ALIENS.

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-01-28 6:21:11 PM|| 2005-01-28 6:21:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Thank you CF: damn straight.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-01-28 6:32:40 PM|| 2005-01-28 6:32:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 but that's how the initiative's backers were portrayed.
True. Big deal. You know the old saying about sticks and stones. The initiative still passed with 60% of the vote inspite of the bad mouthing of the opponents. I think one of the foes was the infamous La Raza. Unfortunately after some time passed I think most people came to believe that the measure was defeated in court, not knowing that it was slimeball Gray Davis who told his Justice Dept. to stand down. Californians did not necessarily change their minds about the merits of 187. They just stopped talking about it I think because they wrongly assumed it was thrown out by the courts. Then came the .dot com boom and CA folks stopped worrying about the drain on services by illegals because there was so much $ pouring in to the state treasury.

In 2005, it's a different story. CA is X Billions of dollars in debt and going deeper each day and a couple of thousand of illegals here and there has crept up to double digit millions of illegals living off the taxpayer tit. CA residents are paying some of the highest state taxes in the country ... for what? To educate, to give welfare, and to provide medical services to Mexicans who Vicente Fox and his Spanish blooded oligarchal pals refuse to properly care for?

How pathetic is was to hear GWB speaking about the wonders of democracy and how America would support any people who wanted it and meanwhile due south what is his little corrupt best pal as head of an entrenched oligarchy doing in full view but depriving everyone but the upper class Spanish Mexicans of liberty and prosperity?

I'll bet anything if a sequel to Prop 187 got proper publicity and CA voters were required to show proof of citizenship at the ballot booths (which would never happen-horrors-how racist of me to suggest such an insulting idea) the new proposition denying benefits to illegals would pass with flying colors.

CA people are fed up with the consequences of unfettered illegal immigration. Even Democrat voters at the exit polls said the main reason they voted to toss Gray Davis out of office was because he signed off on giving drivers licenses to illegals. Even bleeding heart left wingers know the definition of illegal.

Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-28 6:53:12 PM|| 2005-01-28 6:53:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 International justice? Bull shi-t!

As with the EU, the ICC, etc., any piss ant country could file suit irrespective of national sovereignty.

Posted by Duke Nukem 2005-01-28 9:02:45 PM|| 2005-01-28 9:02:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Want to really piss off the Mexican government? Make it illegal to wire money from the US to Mexico. When even the US post office has signs in Spanish advertising their service for wiring money back to Mexico, it's a hopeless fight. Cut off the money supply to Mexico and see how solicitous they are about their illegals.

Posted by RWV 2005-01-28 10:25:13 PM|| 2005-01-28 10:25:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Don't make it illegal -- that's too obvious.

Just come up with a bunch of regulations that slow it down and make it more expensive. The game would be to tune it so that tourists and legitimate businesses don't get caught in the web.

(Hmmm... Didn't Chirac call for a tax on international money transfers? Why not institute a 10% tariff on any amount less than $10,000 sent out of the US by a non-citizen? Call it an experiment to test out Chirac's proposal...)

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-01-28 10:42:02 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-01-28 10:42:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Where would Mexico sue? The U.S. isn't party to the International Criminal Court, and I can't imagine that such a suit would have standing in a State or Federal court... I mean, a motion that illegal residents are entitled to all the rights of citizens -- what would be the status of the Federal government of Mexico in trying to bring suit in the name of such people? For that matter, who would willingly admit to being in the country illegally in order to bring suit themselves -- given that Immigration (Homeland Security?) could immediately deport them for being here illegally? No, the only way Sr. Fox has any leverage at all on this matter is if it remains merely a threat.

But I do like RC's idea of regulating currency flows across the border. Who knows how many of the illegal residents are sending money to terrorist organizations. (La Raza's militant arm, f'r instance? Are you sure they don't have one?)

Posted by trailing wife 2005-01-28 11:49:07 PM|| 2005-01-28 11:49:07 PM|| Front Page Top

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