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2004-09-26 Europe

Nearly one million Muslims in the Netherlands

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Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-09-26 04:31|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Dutchgeek, you should be thankful that they are Turks and Moroccans. Turks, since Attaturk, have been assiduously secular and Moroccans, at least in my experience, tend to be fun-loving, live and let live people. These are good hardworking people who, if given a chance, can be good neighbors and useful members of society.

Posted by RWV 2004-09-26 11:40:20 AM|| 2004-09-26 11:40:20 AM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Anonymous6334 TROLL 2004-09-26 3:22:27 PM|| 2004-09-26 3:22:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm with Anon on this, its the nature of the beast...

Posted by JerseyMike 2004-09-26 5:06:27 PM|| 2004-09-26 5:06:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Anonymous6334, I can read without moving my lips. However, what I said was that the Dutch were fortunate to have Turks and Moroccans instead of Palestinians, Egyptians, Syrians, etc. There are national cultural characteristics that trump religious aspects. An American atheist has more in common with an American evangelical than either does with a German or an Italian or a Palestinian. It is silly to assume that all muslims are jihadists, or for that matter that all jihadists are muslims. Granted that jihadists are drawn primarily from muslims in the mideast, but that doesn't make all the people there jihadists. Most (Palestinians excluded) are just trying to get through another day. And, yes, the genes from my Crusader ancestors make me inclined to want to kill all the jihadists and let Allah sort them out.

Posted by RWV 2004-09-26 6:01:40 PM|| 2004-09-26 6:01:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Then get doing ...

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-09-26 6:29:34 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-09-26 6:29:34 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Anonymous6334 TROLL 2004-09-26 6:35:34 PM|| 2004-09-26 6:35:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Jehadists are drawn from any community with exposure to Saudi flavor of Islam. And it does not take long to get as Saudis usually infiltrate by funding mosques then they start buying ideas. Any community not doing well financially can fall in their trap.

Posted by Fawad 2004-09-26 6:44:07 PM|| 2004-09-26 6:44:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 There are the jihadists and then there are the fellow travelers--most of the other Muslims who don't speak up against terror and fund the mullahs to spread the message that we in the West are evil and need to be destroyed. These folks seem to have never gotten over the Crusades. Most have a memory of events that is passed down from generation to generation.

Posted by The Ol Prof 2004-09-26 8:20:24 PM|| 2004-09-26 8:20:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Anonymous6334, in my day I flew B-52s in combat and I suspect that the bombs we dropped probably introduced more men to their maker than you have ever thought about. My youngest son is a Marine stationed a little to the west of Fallujah. I have no illusions about Islam. But I think that intolerant assholes like you are the cause of much of the world's problems. Basically I think that you are one of those people who sit around the bar and tell made up war stories to make yourself feel manly. FOAD.

Posted by RWV 2004-09-26 11:38:11 PM|| 2004-09-26 11:38:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Disagree with both camps on this one. Crucial factor for determining the likelihood of a muslim minority's tilting toward the jihadists is the ability of the larger society to assimilate them, not national origin (as per RWV). In other words, the culture of thehost country matters greatly. Europe has a much larger problem with its muslim minorities because Europe tends to attract (and reinforces among those it attracts) those with a tendency toward resentment of the prevailing order and a wish to opt out of it rather than strive to fit in and succeed. America gets the strivers among the world's immigrants; Europe tends to get more resenters.

What percent of Amsterdam's working-age muslims are employed in challenging, rewarding jobs that offer a chance for real security, personal autonomy and prosperity? I doubt it's more than fifteen or twenty percent. OTOH, if you go to Dearborn, Mich. or New Jersey or Brooklyn you'll see plenty of self-employed, hardworking muslims (and other immigrants). I would guess that the US figure for muslim "strivers" is several times higher than that for the Amsterdam strivers.

To the rest of the world, I say, send your resenters and jihadists to Europe. And keep sending your strivers to the US. (Especially to sh-tholes like Jersey City or Dearborn MI, where a bit of hard work and entrepreneurship is worth more than millions in enterprise zone credits.)

Posted by lex 2004-09-27 12:07:01 AM|| 2004-09-27 12:07:01 AM|| Front Page Top

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