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2004-09-15 Home Front: Politix
CBS will release a second statement (eventually) about forged docs
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Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 1:48:32 PM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Cue the Final Jeopardy theme....
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 1:57:40 PM||   2004-09-15 1:57:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Final Jeopardy
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 2:41:29 PM||   2004-09-15 2:41:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Rush thinks announcement 1/2 hour after his show ends 3:30 PM EDT.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 2:43:32 PM||   2004-09-15 2:43:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 If they still dig in, then the CBS switchboard must be inundated as well as the congressional committee who oversees this issue. If the rumor is true, and they try to link the politics of the "experts" to the fraud accusations, then those experts should sue for defamation. Also demonstrations in front of CBS until they decide to tell the truth. Use a Leftist tactic and slap it back in their face.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 2:51:55 PM||   2004-09-15 2:51:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 The stonewalling at CBS is frankly getting a little spooky. They are hiding something very important and I suspect that it is something that hasn't been discussed publicly to any extent.

What is it? I don't know, because it seems that every reasonable possibility has been dissected to exhaustion, along with a good many unreasonable ones.

Among other things, it is important enough that Sumner Redstone and the corporate management, or at least the news division managers, have apparently decided to take the consequences rather than intervene. This could mean either lost jobs or billions in lost revenue.

Only one thing is more important than money to corporate bigwigs, and that is staying out of prison.
How could backtracking or revealing the source subject them to prosecution?
One possibility is that the source has major dirt on the CBS management and is blackmailing them for continued protection.
The crazy guy, Bill Burkett, is known to have links to communist propaganda outlets that specialize in propagandizing on behalf of Latin American revolutionaries. Is it possible that some revolutionary group, perhaps even the Cubans themselves, have given him information that would provide ironclad against exposure by CBS?
This could be something like the CNN "silence for access" scandal but much worse.

I frankly don't know, but I suspect they will not be able to keep the lid on it, whatever it is.
For one thing, some producer or other underling is likely to go freelance and try to win a Pulitzer by blowing this wide open.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-15 3:38:07 PM||   2004-09-15 3:38:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 CBS now delays until 5:00PM EDT.

Hannity is really enjoying himself.

Get 'em tiger!
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 3:38:57 PM||   2004-09-15 3:38:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 3:40 EST and still no announcement.
Maybe the CBS suits are trying to salvage some ratings by waiting long enough for the FBI to get a warrant and arrest Dan on the air.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-15 3:39:30 PM||   2004-09-15 3:39:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Sorry, that's EDT.
Maybe the source has Fidel's copy of the video showing Dan accepting a bag of cash from Osama bin Laden.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-15 3:40:54 PM||   2004-09-15 3:40:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Atomic : You mean like this?

Dan's New Wardrobe?

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 3:41:19 PM||   2004-09-15 3:41:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Delays like this indicate the lawyers are now in charge. Bad news, Dan.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 3:41:28 PM||   2004-09-15 3:41:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Atomic : See my comment #14 - re: Posting Coleho looks for Democrat Rove.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 3:44:01 PM||   2004-09-15 3:44:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Final Jeopardy

I like the original Final Jeopardy theme, carried over from when Art Fleming and Don Pardo were, respectively, host and announcer.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-09-15 3:46:06 PM||   2004-09-15 3:46:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Per Sean Hannity, release is now 5:00 EDT...
Posted by Seafarious  2004-09-15 3:46:12 PM||   2004-09-15 3:46:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 must be like a chinese firedrill of lawyers at the Black Rock, huh?
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-15 3:57:18 PM||   2004-09-15 3:57:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 

Unfortunately these 3 guys were watching the Hurricaine reports from CBS and didn't believe them. They decided to go to the beach anyway.

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 3:59:17 PM||   2004-09-15 3:59:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Hannity's about to have Bernard Goldberg on.

This should give us insight on the delay-delay-delay-delay.

CBS, with it's self-created Watergate is about to experience cold fear. . .

1964 - Johnson lanslide over Goldwater
1974 - Demo Congressional Lanslide post Watergate
1984 - Reagan Beats Mondale 49 states to 1
1994 - Republican Congressional Lanslide
2004 - . . . .

A year ending in "4" is a watershed.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:08:47 PM||   2004-09-15 4:08:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Goldberg says Rather hasn't spoken to him in years, since his writings on liberal bias...

Delay... What's happening?
Lawyers jawboning. . .
CBS acting irrationally. . .
Goldberg says Rather affected by Watergate -
- lost balance at that time.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:14:00 PM||   2004-09-15 4:14:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Don't know if it's related or not (though I know which way I'd bet), but Viacom (See-BS parent company) stock took a tumble today. (Note 3 p.m. on graph)

Heh.

(Via Instapundit.)
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-09-15 4:26:29 PM||   2004-09-15 4:26:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 T-32 Minutes. Tictictictictictic.

Unless there is another delay. . .
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:26:42 PM||   2004-09-15 4:26:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 FWIW (probably not much since you don't know who I am and my Iraqi source is wobbly), I just heard from a Dem insider friend in Austin. This is someone close to the Texans for Truth. She indicates the following:
1. Burkett is not the source (wouldn't say who is but says she is positive).
2. Dan's daughter Robin is involved but only as a conduit and is not culpable for the fraud.
3. The source does indeed have major dirt ("Leavenworth prison type dirt") on CBS, but it has nothing to do with Latin American revolutionaries as I had speculated earlier.

This story is going to get a lot bigger.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-15 4:28:39 PM||   2004-09-15 4:28:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Read careful Barbara there is only a 2% drop for the day, and if you look over a longer period, it is still within a range.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:29:57 PM||   2004-09-15 4:29:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 AC, is the forger an Austin-area techie punk?
Posted by lex 2004-09-15 4:30:51 PM||   2004-09-15 4:30:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Everybody - What if there is another delay. They do have 3 hours to play with
(Opening of 60 Mins II on the east coast.)

Tictictictictictictic.

Atomic: This is for you!
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:36:29 PM||   2004-09-15 4:36:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 T-19 and counting.

AC - Cubans, Nicaraguans, who knows, but Leavenwoth for who?

Dan? Mapes the producer?, his CBS bosses? Who?
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:40:51 PM||   2004-09-15 4:40:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Barb, you need to see a context of longer period, preferrably a year to assess if something out of ordinary is going on. The YTD graph shows that Viacom has been declining for a long time.
Posted by Zarathustra 2004-09-15 4:46:48 PM||   2004-09-15 4:46:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Network news is a cash drain for Viacom. Redstone probably keeps it in the Viacom portfolio only because of the prestige that comes from the CBS logo. If that's sullied, then there's no reason not to sell it off. The big institutional shareholders would demand as much.
Posted by lex 2004-09-15 4:49:55 PM||   2004-09-15 4:49:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 T-7 mins and Drudge is still unchanged.

Takin' some popcorn to the microwave before the virtual Hurricaine begins to rival Ivan.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:52:02 PM||   2004-09-15 4:52:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Tictictictictictictictictic. .. .

One minute. Waiting for Drudge (he'll probably be first)

Unless there is another delay.....
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 4:58:35 PM||   2004-09-15 4:58:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 5:04 D'oh!
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-15 5:03:43 PM||   2004-09-15 5:03:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Love it AC. We can only hope that it gets bigger and bigger and the dirt spreads all over the Dems. Then, when they have been drubbed in virtually all of their races (I can't see Obama losing to the wacko Keyes) maybe then they will realize it is time to jettison the looney wing of their party.
Posted by remote man 2004-09-15 5:05:15 PM||   2004-09-15 5:05:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Jesus! Franco died quicker then this!
Posted by tu3031 2004-09-15 5:06:35 PM||   2004-09-15 5:06:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 5:10 EDT - Still nothing
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 5:07:34 PM||   2004-09-15 5:07:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Looks like the Tictictictictic is segueing to Laura Ingraham's crickets...
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 5:11:20 PM||   2004-09-15 5:11:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Anyone wonder if there is a confrence call between CBS and Chappequa recovery room?
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 5:17:31 PM||   2004-09-15 5:17:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 They're working out a plea bargain for Dan if he turns state's evidence. The problem is he refuses to go in The Witness Protection Program.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 5:23:09 PM||   2004-09-15 5:23:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Dibs on the lawn chair concession...
Posted by Seafarious  2004-09-15 5:35:15 PM||   2004-09-15 5:35:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 They're waiting for the ink to dry on the, uh, additional documents.
Posted by Matt 2004-09-15 5:47:51 PM||   2004-09-15 5:47:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Still nuthin.

I wonder if they coulg get their ahdnwriting guy to do a Spiritual Analysis of their position?

(Did you know thier signature guy is not formally trained nor certified?)
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 5:48:08 PM||   2004-09-15 5:48:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Exactimundo - Old Spook!
He sounds freaked. "All I did was verify ONE SIGNATURE"

Owwwwwwwww

BUT HE DID AUTHENTICATE THE SUICIDE NOTES OF VINCE FOSTER AND KURT COBAIN
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 5:52:34 PM||   2004-09-15 5:52:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 I can hear Les Moonves talking about Dan right now, "Let him hang there; let him twist slowly, slowly in the wind."
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 5:53:54 PM||   2004-09-15 5:53:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 They're busy editing that video of GW buggering a nine year old hindu boy at Camp David!
Posted by James37211  2004-09-15 5:57:05 PM|| [http://www.615songs.com]  2004-09-15 5:57:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 My guess is that these guys are working out of multiple conference rooms at one of the big New York law firms: Viacom's lawyers have one room, DNC's another, Rather's a third, Moonves' a fourth, etc., and that drafts of the New Word are flying back and forth like confetti. I'd be shocked if there weren't a barrel of white collar defense lawyers on hand, along with specialists in telecomm law and securities law. I would also guess that a battalion of young lawyers have by now researched the concept of forgery back to the Magna Carta.
Posted by Matt 2004-09-15 6:04:06 PM||   2004-09-15 6:04:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 37211 - The CBS suits aren't that direct. They are going to take a video of "Forrest Gump" and replace Tom Hanks with the Prez.

Then they are going to peddle it as authentic. They will then get a video of the Woody Allen movie "Zelig", and use President Bush 41 nad Barbara (the mom) instead of Woody Allen and Diane Keaton.

Then they will supply the footage to the DNC, and the Kerry Campaign.

Voila! Instant campaign ads.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 6:09:55 PM||   2004-09-15 6:09:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 If they don't come clean, I'm looking at some Viacom options (as opposed to going short). Should be nicely profitable in the deluge thats going to hit their advertisers from boycott threats and board from stockholders.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 6:10:56 PM||   2004-09-15 6:10:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 DRUDGE HAS THIS

Statement by the President of CBS News, Andrew Heyward:

"We established to our satisfaction that the memos were accurate or we would not have put them on television. There was a great deal of coroborating [sic] evidence from people in a position to know. Having said that, given all the questions about them, we believe we should redouble our efforts to answer those questions, so that's what we are doing."
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 6:12:47 PM||   2004-09-15 6:12:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 " Statement by the President of CBS News, Andrew Heyward:

"We established to our satisfaction that the memos were accurate or we would not have put them on television. There was a great deal of coroborating [sic] evidence from people in a position to know. Having said that, given all the questions about them, we believe we should redouble our efforts to answer those questions, so that's what we are doing."
Hattip to Drudge

And CBS bites the big one....
Posted by Silentbrick  2004-09-15 6:14:37 PM||   2004-09-15 6:14:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 Does the above count as the 6-hr late statement?

If so, it's torches and a rope time.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 6:14:57 PM||   2004-09-15 6:14:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Leaning forward is the first part of falling on your face.

CBS News is leaning forward finally.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 6:14:57 PM||   2004-09-15 6:14:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 Looks like what they want to do is burn their source but not have to retract their conclusions. In other words, "It doenst matter the documents were fabricated, they contained 'the truth' per statements we have from reliable sources" (like Barnes, Burkett and a bunch of other partisans).

CBS is just covering and playing for time.

This is a ploy for time to allow the Dems to run the ads before they get debunked.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 6:17:59 PM||   2004-09-15 6:17:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 selling Viacom stock tomorrow
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-15 6:18:15 PM||   2004-09-15 6:18:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Frank G - Is there an international paper shortage? I doubt if there is value of the shares in and of themselves.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 6:19:50 PM||   2004-09-15 6:19:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 mutual fund changes
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-15 6:22:19 PM||   2004-09-15 6:22:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 BidEd:
Naw, they're editing the once where W. and the VP are snorting coke with Osama Bin Ladin through million dollar bills.
Posted by Secret Master 2004-09-15 6:24:21 PM||   2004-09-15 6:24:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 That is definitely a lawyered statement. Look how it is non-specific to ANYTHING - and it puts all the actions IN THE PAST. "established", "were" , "was"...

The only actions are to "redouble our efforts": as if they wre already investigating the veracity of the docs - so they cannot have it held against them.

Lawyered to hell and gone.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 6:25:28 PM||   2004-09-15 6:25:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 heh heh, that won't fly, continuing the downward spiral for the SKerry campaign. Any chance the memos had a Chappaqua address?
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-15 6:27:53 PM||   2004-09-15 6:27:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 I read this to mean that the lawyers couldn't hammer out a real statement, so they came up with this "placeholder" under time pressure to do something. The misspelling tells you that this was a dashed-off thingy that the 75 lawyers on hand didn't have time to look at carefully. (And right now some 25-year old associate is getting his or her butt chewed about that misspelling.)

Question: would all the paperwork that got generated today be discoverable in a civil suit? and who gets the book rights?
Posted by Matt 2004-09-15 6:29:55 PM||   2004-09-15 6:29:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 â€œThis highway leads to the shadowy tip of reality: You’re on a through route to the land of the different, the bizarre, the unexplainable….Go as far as you like on this road. It’s limits are only those of mind itself. Ladies and Gentleman of CBS, you’re entering the wondrous dimension of law. Next stop…..The Felony Zone.”
Posted by Silentbrick  2004-09-15 6:33:17 PM||   2004-09-15 6:33:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 When is a statement not a statement.

Too many lawyers.

Corroborating needs to be done.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-15 6:33:34 PM||   2004-09-15 6:33:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 I read this to mean that somebody said something that makes the lawyers realize they have a problem but the don't know where or how big. The internal investigation has begun. Until it's done, we'll probably get "We continue our redoubled efforts to answer all the questions about the documents."

Once the internal investigation has concluded, the selection of the scape goats will begin. Then the guilty parties will be presented to us in a 60 Minutes exclusive on a Sunday evening.

Until then, "Let him hang there; let him twist slowly, slowly in the wind."
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 6:38:18 PM||   2004-09-15 6:38:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 The Dems have also just heard their death knell. When this many lawyers are working on something this big, nothing happens fast unless there is a lot of money resting on getting it done quickly. In this case, ther's no need to rush. So this one stays open through the election.

Terry MacAuliffe call your attorney. Perhaps a 527 will pay Dan to fall on his sword tomorrow.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 6:43:10 PM||   2004-09-15 6:43:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 One other point. CBS /should have/ verfied all this BEFORE their story ran. Failure to do so makes them liable for charges of slander and whatever laws apply to attempted interference in a federal campaign.
Posted by Silentbrick  2004-09-15 6:46:05 PM||   2004-09-15 6:46:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 Just read the Kerry Spot at NRO. I think Dan is going to get his section 8.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 6:57:13 PM||   2004-09-15 6:57:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 Mrs. D -- I think the problem has been known for several days. Basically, CBS can't get its corporate chestnuts out of the fire without offering up one or more of its employees. Rather looks from here like the logical choice, but Rather is quite capable of causing CBS (and other bigshots at CBS) one heckuva lot of grief if CBS makes him the fallguy. So in this scenario you have CBS' lawyer going eyeball to eyeball with Rather's personal attorney.

As for the Dems, every day this story lasts is a day they bleed.

Another scenario, which is almost too enjoyable to comtemplate, is that the problem is with source disclosure. And I don't think burning a dishonest source would be a big deal unless that source was someone very, very important.
Posted by Matt 2004-09-15 7:04:32 PM||   2004-09-15 7:04:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 IT'S ALL ABOUT SOURCES, STUPID

I suggest to you that a guy like Rather and his producer have sources neither of us would dream of. Mary Mapes didn't get that Abu Grahaib stuff by not using sex, drugs, and whatever it took. Rather would have sources as high as Chief of Staff, assistant Secretary of State, even a Supreme Court Justice. I guarantee you that this source has to be protected or an entire group of people will fall. This is like an episode of NYPD Blue where the snitches are protected at all costs.

Rather will go down in flames rather than ruin the lives of a ton of people connected with Maple's sources or his sources. Bet on it. Their source is one big cookie somewhere; my betting is inside the DNC or Kerry campaign but it could just as easily be a Republican. The source is somebody big.

Really really big.
Posted by Howard Veit  2004-09-15 7:06:12 PM||   2004-09-15 7:06:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 Correctomundo Brick. CBS must bed made to feel the pain big time so go for the sponsors.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-15 7:06:13 PM||   2004-09-15 7:06:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#66 bed? oy.....
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-09-15 7:08:38 PM||   2004-09-15 7:08:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 Matt,

I suspect Dan, as King of CBS news did not get real corporate pressure and hostile attorney questioning until today, with or without his attorneys. If CBS had known for several days, I can't imagine the attorneys allowing Dan to dig his hole deeper and then producing this. That would explain all todfay's delays and then the measly misspelled announcement. I suspect lots of heads will roll at Black Rock.

I suspect you and Howard are correct about the source. So much so that it might affect the election and that is part of the CBS attorneys' problem.

Do you think this will rate with Watergate in the history books?

And to think that I saw it on Free Republic.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 7:22:08 PM||   2004-09-15 7:22:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 Big Ed and others
My source didn't say who might go to Leavenworth over the CBS source's dirt, but I got the distinct impression it had to do with production and management and goes pretty high up the food chain, over a considerable period of time.

One other tidbit for lex, my source did say that the CBS source is associated with UT, but doesn't know in what capacity. I'm going to try to get more, but that may be all she knows.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-15 7:31:35 PM||   2004-09-15 7:31:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 More gossip confidential source material from the belly of the Texas Demo-beast, Austin:

Rather's source is James Moore, a local reporter for CBS affiliate KHOU in Houston. The docs were actually produced by an intern from UT, supposedly reproducing originals that Moore and the intern had seen but were unable to steal. Interestingly enough James Moore is originally from Flint Michigan, the hometown of another famous LLL Moore, Michael. I have no idea whether they are related.
KHOU is where Dan Rather started his tv career in the 50s.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-15 8:09:07 PM||   2004-09-15 8:09:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 Funny thing is...

This is an issue that damn near everyone had already seen and adjudged.

Everyeone pretty much assumed Bush used whatever pull he had to get into the guard - who in his position at that time didnt? After all Kerry himself joined the Naval Reserve to avoid an Army draft.

And Bush fulfilled his duties, per the DD-214. THe Airforce and ANG had a pile of pilots and obsolete aircraft that they wanted to get rid of as Vietnam was winding down, so its obvious Bush caught that wave and rode it out.

And its obvious that he "crammed" his serice points into a few weeks to make up for the missed time, as did a lot of T-ANG people, like Dallas Cowboy players who were rarely seen during football season.

So many people know this and have already made their minds up about it 4 years ago that this issue only serves to bring up more questions about the Press-Kerry links than it does Bush's qualifications as president. Kerry is the one whose service has not been examined carefully, yet the press is all over Bush and ignoring glaring contradictions between Kerry's claims and actual reports.

So its no wonder that this has turned into a "media on trial" thing - and it hurts Kerry in that it only delays his "day in the sun" as the Swiftvets prepare their case and wait until things quiet down before unleashing it. The noise of this story, the connotations of "dirty politics" and the "glamor" factor of a major news figure involved amkes the Rathergate story overwhelming and negative for Kerry (generating a sympathy for Bush fromwhat some are saying), and worse, it drowns out anything Kerry might do to improve his image and his high negatives.

Add to that the visiblility Bush gains as a leader in his reponse to the hurricanes, etc.

All in all, if Kerry wants to climb into thing beyond his "I hate Bush/Bush is Hitler" core, he needs this to be put down quickly and quietly. He needs Rather to fall on his sword, CBS to apologize and burn their staff - but not the source (a source that can burn them back by providing linkage to the Kerry campaign, obviously or they would have done so already).
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 8:38:36 PM||   2004-09-15 8:38:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 It also makes it seem as if this is the worst that can be said about Bush and that's why they have to retread the story with these "recreations" of memos and an 86 year old woman remembers typing up something about one Lt from 30 years ago, so we'll all remember what terrible things Bush did during Viet Nam while Kerry's record remains secret.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-15 8:59:55 PM||   2004-09-15 8:59:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#72 #69 Rather's source is James Moore, a local reporter for CBS affiliate KHOU in Houston. Hmmmm. This sounds pretty plausible.

Check out for instance the The New York Times Op-Ed by Mimi Swartz for Friday, February 27, 2004: “In Search Of the President's Missing Years” Sadly, the link to that archived Op-Ed is useless unless you want to pay for a look at the Op-Ed. (Those who want to pay, click here)

I was pleasantly surprised, however, to find that The New York Times must have thought that this Op-Ed was so important that (at least for now) another source has been allowed to display the entire 1360 words by Mimi Swartz. (Those who do not want to pay, click here and scroll down to the fourth article) For those who just want some clips, here they are:
Over the past few weeks, President Bush has responded to recurring questions about his National Guard service by saying that the subject is old and tiresome. According to Mr. Bush, reporters conducted a thorough investigation of his time in the Texas National Guard when he ran against Ann Richards for governor in 1994, and again when he ran against Al Gore in 2000. The complete Guard records, the president told Tim Russert on "Meet the Press," were "scoured." This came as news to me, as I lived in and reported from Texas during those times and feel that questions about the story — Mr. Bush's life story — linger 10 years after his first political victory. Why they linger is a more complicated question, one that has as much to do with the press as it does with the president. * * * the records that the consultants and reporters possessed were incomplete — they were torn, with Mr. Bush's name and other crucial pieces of information blacked out — but also because the Richards campaign backed off the issue. * * * Late in the campaign, James Moore, then a reporter with KHOU-TV in Houston, put the question to Mr. Bush in a televised debate: had he received special treatment while other young men had fought and died in Vietnam? The candidate's less than illuminating answer: not that he knew of. But by then most Texans had made up their minds to vote for Mr. Bush — he trounced Ms. Richards, and the issue, not surprisingly, went away.

* * * The few who continued to dog Mr. Bush about his military service — most notably reporters at The Dallas Morning News — found their paths blocked in myriad ways. This time, it was Al Gore's handlers, not Ms. Richards's, who lacked enthusiasm for this particular avenue of attack. * * * What's more, Mr. Bush's military service file remained incomplete — as it had in 1994. Some reporters got their information from time-consuming Freedom of Information Act requests, others took what they were handed by opposition researchers — in my experience, the unfortunate norm in most modern campaigns. If there was a release of documents comparable to the one made by the administration earlier this month, no one around here recalls it. What journalists had in the way of a paper trail led to suspicions that Mr. Bush's military record had been altered in preparation for a presidential bid — something that James Moore, the reporter who asked the Vietnam question in the 1994 governor's debate, suggests in a forthcoming book. Also, many people who were chatty in 1994 clammed up in 2000, perhaps fearful that they would alienate the future president or his famously long-memoried [sic] family. Without conclusive documentation or an attributable source, most reporters were stymied.

* * * It's also disconcerting that each election cycle comes with a new set of "complete" documents. Perhaps 2004 will be the year that details of George W. Bush's time in the National Guard — indeed, his life in the early 1970's — finally get filled in. This time around, there are certain factors that might put added pressure on reporters, editors and news organizations to complete the story. After all, the questions about Mr. Bush's service are being raised while we are at war and while the president is facing a genuine war hero as a potential opponent. Maybe this year, 10 years after Mr. Bush's first political victory, the lingering questions will finally disappear.

Hmmm. Mimi Swartz. What did she know, and when did she know it?
Posted by cingold 2004-09-15 9:17:57 PM||   2004-09-15 9:17:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 (ahem) Todfay? ;)

Lawyering up in the corporate domain. Dan's got a real ass-exposure problem, methinks. The suits aren't going down with him on this one, but they haven't quite figured out how to toss him out that 50th floor window yet.

This needs to be pursued, folks. CBS was complicit in this fraud, willing or no, and needs to have their collective pee-pee whacked.

That said - oh baby, do me eight to the bar...
Posted by Bill Sherman  2004-09-15 10:10:50 PM||   2004-09-15 10:10:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 "the president is facing a genuine war hero"

Someone was drinking the koolaide rather uncritically at that time, weren't they?

Swiftvets, official Navy record, etc - are all showing Kerry to be a prevaricator when it comes to his Vietnam experience.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-15 10:33:46 PM||   2004-09-15 10:33:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#75 I wonder if there's any CBS stock out there available for shorting.
Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-09-15 11:07:39 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2004-09-15 11:07:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 Anyone wonder if CBS is just stalling for time to create better memos? They say they are looking for evidence to support the first ones. What could be better than ones that passed internet tests like the ones that destroyed these.

Afterall, they just got a laundry list of things not to do when making fakes...
Posted by Laurence of the Rats  2004-09-15 11:46:24 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/]  2004-09-15 11:46:24 PM|| Front Page Top

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